Rolling Past Expiry Hard Rock 2010

Spirit Caravan and The Obsessed are the only Wino-related bands I listen to with any regularity. I have tremendous respect for Saint Vitus, but if I'm being honest I really only like three or four songs. To my ear, SC was where Wino really took his biker-rock power trio sound into the realm of the paradigmatic and archetypal.

i think i would actually buy remastered steppenwolf CDs. cuz, jesus, dunhill vinyl mostly sucked and even when i find clean copies they are nothing to write home about. i would even buy a box set if it wasn't too much money.

I still drag Obsessed material out for a listen from time to time. And I found, as usual, that I liked the Reaghers sung material on the end of Heavier Than Thou.

Re Dunhill, I guess no feels any urge to mint anything new other than the 'best of' Steppenwold I see in stores. The live album wasn't bad, either.

Am listening to Steppenwolf Live. Protest concert, legalize dope, stop the war, quaint how they seemed enthusiastic about it back then, like it might be possible to change things.

Lots of pre-Frampton talk box all over it, interestingly stuck in the middle of a David Allen Coe-type tune named "Twisted." Either Kay was taking the talky from Joe Walsh or vice versa.

Lots of really funky hard rock, particularly well-played and recorded for the time. 'Course, don't know how much was corrected in studio.

i don't think i even have Live. my dad had a copy. maybe he still does. still have a copy of early steppenwolf, renowned for its 21 minute version of the pusher.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e0/Early_Steppenwolf_-_Steppenwolf.jpg

album i never EVER see used that i need a copy of, 1974's slow flux.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/37/SteppenwolfSlowFlux.jpg

1. "Gang War Blues" – 4:52
2. "Children of the Night" – 5:11
3. "Justice Don't Be Slow" – 5:00
4. "Get into the Wind" – 3:00
5. "Jeraboah" – 5:41
6. "Straight Shootin' Woman" – 4:04
7. "Smokey Factory Blues" – 4:09
8. "Morning Blue" – 4:12
9. "Fool's Fantasy" – 3:37
10. "Fishin' in the Dark" – 5:47

I'm ashamed to say that the double live one George is listening to (which I picked up in a thrift store last year) is the only Steppenwolf album I now own. I clearly need to get some more, soon.

always been curious about the 80's steppenwolf/kay albums. thought you guys would have been all over that for me.

i like all the old records. they are all worth hearing/owning. they were such a huge influence on biker rock of the 70's. they might be the greatest biker rock band of them all. their importance as far as 70's hard rock/metal goes can't be overstated.

finding old steppenwolf vinyl that is clean can be a chore. i think people used to fight, fuck, AND do drugs on top of those records.

Chuck, if you can listen to the live one you've get a pretty good selection from their best. Starts off with "Sookie, Sookie" -- which is great. "Don't Step On the Grass, Sam" is equally so. The shows were in promotion of Monster so the signal cuts from that are on it. It's missing stuff from At Your Birthday Party which I liked -- "Rock Me" and "Jupiter's Child." According to wiki, their first five albums went gold which is kind of modest considering how they were all over radio and embedded in culture due to Easy Rider. I guess the bikers didn't buy all the records, just the first two, maybe, at most.

There's talk box all through the live record, although Kay used a 'bag' slung under his arm. So why did it work for Peter Frampton, not so much for him?

Maybe because he was too early with it. Or maybe girls were frightened of Steppenwolf. If they spent a night with John Kay they were afraid they'd wind up smelling like an ashtray and with a case of the clap. Whereas, mebbe with Peter F. they thought they could take him home, try each other's clothes on and
have a pajama party.

Scott, I did have Rock 'n' Roll Rebels, which was one from the late Eighties. By that time it was always "John Kay & Steppenwolf." I interviewed him for the Call, he was coming to Bethlehem Musikfest, I think, which was beginning to establish itself as a place for boomer classic rock oldies acts in the summertime.

And the gist of it was that there were a bunch of Steppenwolfs in the Eighties, some without John Kay, and everyone had become desperate for money because of the usual bad publishing deals. So Kay said he'd played every toilet in North America trying to make a living and finally had gotten management to get his affairs in order, or something. And that was the first well-made record in a while. It sounded
good, hard rock with fair tunes. I no longer have it, though.

Remember when Rick Rubin was going to revive Foghat? And that never really panned out but Foghat did get their career restarted, sort of, with "Return of the Boogie Men," which had something to do with trials for a Rick Rubin record. I always thought Steppenwolf would've been good for a similar resurrection.

"I guess the bikers didn't buy all the records, just the first two, maybe, at most."

see, i think they must have been the ONLY people who were buying them after a certain point. they were party records for tough crowds.

i remember john kay playing at dive and/or biker bars in connecticut when i was a teen. i think he even lived near me back then.

the guess who, bto, steppenwolf, grand funk, early doobies, all canonical biker rock bands and all critically maligned for the most part.

i basically love any 70's band that wanted to sound like those guys too.

and all critically maligned for the most part.

Bikers and rock critics = not good mixers, little common interests.

From the simultaneous Steppenwolf thread:

Rock Me Baby Rock Me Baby All Night Long" = coolest MTV Closet Classics video evuh
Search also: "It's Never Too Late to Start All Over Again", "Sookie Sookie" (?), and "Monster"

― Joe (Joe), Friday, 18 April 2003 03:31

"Rock Me" and "It's Never Too Late" from At Your Birthday Party. Chuck, even a bad vinyl copy, you'd like
these. It's like a good Black Crowes record they never made.

That's glib.

In the studio from '70-'71, they were no excuses good. I'm thinking an off Stones B-side song, "Child of the Moon," was a rip on something from Steppenwolf during this period. And when John Kay wasn't singing, he'd cede a couple things to a more wimpy guy, who would try to do a rocked version of Donovan -- ala when the latter was backed by Zep or Jeff Beck.

Am listening to Slow Flux now. Sho' nuff, we shoulda been all over this. 'Course, it's Friday in SoCal after a another day of blazing sunlight on the concrete. Closer to vintage Steppenwolf than Skullduggery.

Gospel rock influence on some tunes, big horns and hard rock, swing, some Allen Toussaint Lou-si-anna, Nixon-ian speecha-lyzing to protest blues and harmonica boogie. Watergate Nixon condemnation in "Justice Can Be Slow" which contains the aforementioned swing and Allen Toussaint influence.

On the money vibe-wise, for 1974 hard rock.

More pre-Frampton talk box all over "Jeraboah" from Slow Flux.

Up right now for play:

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Oik!

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Was trolling blogs to round up all the Steppenwolf stuff discussed just upthread, and spotted a single album by Derringer/Bogert/Appice - I've never heard of it, but I'm a big Cactus fan and like the Beck, Bogert & Appice live album (and a couple of tracks from the studio disc) quite a bit. Is this worth my time? I only know Derringer from his one hit single.

Haven't heard that particular one but -- probably. Bogert and Appice have made similar records with Pat Travers, which I do have, and these usually revolve around doing classic hard rock oldies, a couple new compositions, and other numbers from their past. And they're all usually hard.

So I think the same would apply for Derringer. There's probably a good deal of hard blues rock on it. Derringer made some fairly heavy records with his band of the same name, not to mention the stuff
he did in Johnny Winter And.

OK, I'll check it out - the price is right, anyhow.

Listened to Steppenwolf's Monster on my morning walk to the post office and back - pretty solid stuff. Some hard psychedelia with loads of organ (it was 1969 after all) and great lyrics, especially the last track, "From Here to There Eventually," which is an attack on religion for being insufficiently socially progressive - and whaddya know, 41 years later, it still is. Was a little disappointed that "Fag" was an instrumental - a pro-gay-rights song from a biker-rock band in '69 (or ever, frankly) would have really been something to hear.

"Derringer made some fairly heavy records with his band of the same name, not to mention the stuff
he did in Johnny Winter And."

the stuff he did with edgar is pretty essential! if you ask me.

Apparently this Derringer/Bogert/Appice disc is from 2001, which makes it a little worrisome, but I'm still gonna check it out.

Reviews seem a bit mixed on Amazon. I can, however, vouch for Travers with Appice. That stuff
smokes. Look up the Bazooka release.

I'm going to check out the DBA Sky is Falling release now.

DBA's The Sky Is Falling is a live version of DBA's Doing Business As... so I'm not sure which one you're aiming for, Phil. Live, it's straight power trio, heavy axe plus two tack ons, "Hang On Sloopy" and "Rock 'n' Roll Hootchie Koo." Which is put on every live record Rick Derringer plays on, I think.

"Blood from a Stone," "Telling Me Lies," "Grey Day" are heavy grungy tunes. "Bye Bye Baby" is like the hard gospel rock Bogert & Appice were fond of doing with BBA and in Vanilla Fudge. And a couple things sound like the Derringer band which means they're a bit more poppy than material Bogert & Appice usually do. It's always trio sound with lotsa shit hot guitar and I just might like "Bye Bye Baby" the best in this because of the old Memphis gospel BBA flavor. "Grey Day" is growing on me, too.

Bazooka, however, the thing with Pat Travers is still better.

hey, phil, i think you need this one.

http://www.rickderringer.com/images/a-derringeraiming_98xx.jpg

and you need edgar winter's scientology concept album to go with it.

joking, of course. also avoid the DNA album that derringer/appice made. i remember it being pretty dire. but it has been awhile.

So there's DNA and DBA.

And TNA and Y&T and EZO.

Speaking of Steppenwolf, their success owed some to Dennis Hopper. From an obit today:

Much of Hollywood," wrote critic-historian David Thomson, "found Hopper a pain in the neck."

All was forgiven, at least for a moment, when he collaborated with another struggling actor, Peter Fonda, on a script about two pot-smoking, drug-dealing hippies on a motorcycle trip through the Southwest and South to take in the New Orleans Mardi Gras.

On the way, Hopper and Fonda befriend a drunken young lawyer (Jack Nicholson, whom Hopper had resisted casting, in a breakout role), but arouse the enmity of Southern rednecks and are murdered before they can return home.

"'Easy Rider' was never a motorcycle movie to me," Hopper said in 2009. "A lot of it was about politically what was going on in the country."

Fonda produced "Easy Rider" and Hopper directed it for a meager $380,000. It went on to gross $40 million worldwide, a substantial sum for its time. The film caught on despite tension between Hopper and Fonda and between Hopper and the original choice for Nicholson's part, Rip Torn, who quit after a bitter argument with the director.

Realized who Willie Alexander and the Boom Boom Band -- on their self-titled MCA LP from '78 anyway -- most sound like to me is the hard rocking side of T. Rex, most blatantly in "Look At Me" which has a sax (though did T. Rex use saxes very often actually? I see them credited on Electric Warrior but not The Slider.) Anyway, whatever...I love this LP. Just super memorable hard rock pop songs bordering on new wave but not quite getting there, really more glam (hear some Dolls, Bowie, Earth Quake, Sparks), and in the middle of Side Two it gets pretty weird, in either a goofball or pretentious way, I'm not sure which -- "Hair," about getting a haircut and "doing the bald, doing the baldie" (they say that again and again, like a new dance step) now that you're a "mainstream rock star""; "Looking Like A Bimbo," glam-swish singing over Sabbath riffs about also "looking like a John," then looking like all these specific people named John Whatever who Alexander starts naming. I even wound up liking their "You've Lost That Loving Feeling" cover, and "Everybody Knows" in the middle of side one is gorgeous -- reminds me of Nikki Sudden/Dave Kusworth's Jacobites stuff a decade later, though maybe the '70s reference point would be Al Stewart, Rod Stewart, some Stewart? And oh yeah, the guitarist, Billy Loosigian (never heard of him) is a real badass. And the last song (supposedly a local Boston hit earlier, as an indie 45), is about Kerouac ("of Lowell, Mass," LP dedication to him says.) I know nothing about Alexander's other stuff, but New Trouser Press Record Guide lists a bunch of other LPs (this one's first) through the early '80s. Only one other with the Boom Boom Band, though. None charted, though I get the idea he had a loyal following in Boston.

They did an album a couple years ago with the same line-up. Saw it, never heard it.

"Looking Like a Bimbo" did rock and, yes, Billy Loosigian was badass. He wound up being the guitarist for the Boston band -- not the soCal band -- called The Joneses. The latter which had one album on Atco somewhere between 89-91, I think. Sounded almost exactly like old Bad Company.

There was some Willie Alexander on the Live at the Rat double album, "Kerouac" being one cut, I think.

And he also was known locally for a song called "Hit Her Wid de Axe".

By the way, also decided that there are three real tough cuts on that Widowmaker LP from '76 that I like almost as much "Ain't Telling You Nothing," the super vicious one George keeps recommending -- namely, side openers "Such A Shame" and "When I Met You," plus "Running Free," basically the three songs that are more what I'd call '70s metal than choogly Exile-style roots rock. (They also do all this quasi-offhand hippie party chatter and spillage in the studio noises etc. in the closer, "Got A Dream"; kinda reminds me of something I heard from Pink Fairies or the Deviants once, only way more forced and less good.)

And yeah, I can also hear how "Leave The Kids Alone" is a kind of semi-glam/country-rock mix, as George described it. And I actually don't mind the guitar riff in "Shine A Light On Me," though for some reason I find its gospelly backup chorale really hard to sit through.

listening to dragon - are you old enough. their american debut(? Maybe? they had earlier albums, but i don't know if they came out here. i am curious about their early albums on vertigo. probably sound nothing like this album). they were a big smash in australia/new zealand. don't really dig it. despite the promising song titles like "midnight groovies" and "mr.thunder".

wiki entry is highly comedic:

http://www.musicobsession.com/Pictures/d/r/dragon400281.jpg

Dragon have endured tragedy and notoriety: members dying including drummer Neil Storey of a heroin overdose in 1976,[6] Paul Hewson of a drug overdose in 1985[6] and Marc Hunter of smoking related oesophageal cancer in 1998;[2][6] the Stewart Royal Commission (1980-1983) investigated the Mr. Asia drug syndicate[14] and obtained evidence that Dragon members were clients;[5] the band's disastrous 1978 tour of USA ended when Marc Hunter accused his Texan audience of being "faggots" and they were pelted off stage.[5] On 1 July 2008 the Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) recognised Dragon's iconic status when they were inducted into the ARIA Hall of Fame.[2][15][16]

In 1994, Marc Hunter related his version of the Texas show to rock journalist Glenn A. Baker:

"I remember seeing someone standing holding a pistol and shouting 'Im gonna kill you, you son of a bitch'... I didn't know it but by this point the rest of the band had left the stage. I was still singing because I could still hear the music in my head. It took ages to clear the pile of debris on the stage - broken glass, bottles, chairs, half a table - but I was totally unaware of this, I thought I was going over really well and I'm standing there in a crucifixion pose with my arms out, really gone, with heaps of eye make-up on, looking like some sort of twisted priest. And apparently Johnny Winter was taking bets on the side of the stage as to how long it would take before somebody shot me. Then I turned around and saw no one was on stage so I realised I wasn't going over too well after all and I went back to the dressing room and everyone was just standing there... I said 'We went great, weren't we terrific?' At that stage of the band I was really a shocking sod. And all the record company people were just staring at me like I was an insectoid from Mars. And so that was it for us for that trip to America."[18]
—Marc Hunter , 1994

xpxpxp Wait, so Willie Alexander was in the Velvet Underground?? A late version, apparently (replaced Sterling Morrison in 1971, according to Wiki. And before that, he was in a band called The Lost, but I'm not sure whether it's any of the Losts I've heard of before.)

Born in 1943. Christgau actually gave the '78 Boom Boom Band LP a good review (lowered his B+ slightly later for some reason), but said he'd hated what Alexander had done before then. Did like "Lookin' Like A Bimbo," though; called it an anthem for 35 year old rock'n'rollers. (Funny that 35 still sounds old, even though I haven't been 35 in ages.)

http://robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=Willie+Alexander

But Dave Marsh hated him even more than Xgau did, apparently. From the RS Record Guide: "Barely competent funk from an old-timer on the Boston r&b scene; Alexander was associated with the city's late''70s New Wave resurgence, but by the time he got to the recording studio, he was already over the hill. Hold out for Mink Deville instead."

Wonder why it was a "New Wave Resurgence"; it's not like New Wave existed before, except in art films, right? Anyway, I would definitely take the Boom Boom Band LP over any Deville album I've heard (nothing against Deville, who've albums I've talked about here too, and a couple I've liked) Also wouldn't call any Boom Boom I heard "funk."

another nice album i picked up today. frank carillo's solo album from 1978. great singer and guitarist. stylistically, its all over the place. all i know is every track has some slice of sweet guitar action.

http://www.lpcd.de/1/F4546_01.jpg

bio info:

http://www.frankcarillo.com/bio.html

always liked that frampton's camel album he plays on. would really like to hear the doc holiday album he made in 1973. never see it anywhere. don't think i ever heard the album he cut in 1979.

Paul Hewson of a drug overdose in 1985

If only this were from an entry about U2.

other stuff i got that fits here:

tilt - music (parachute - 1978) good fun heavy rock album from detroit. never heard of it/them before.

edgar winter's white trash - recycled (blue sky - 1977) which includes, appropos of chuck's last post, the song "new wave" with the lyrics: "there's a new wave comin' to wash the old away..."

adam faith - s/t (WB - 1974) resurrection of 60's doofus #23445. mentioned here cuz the entire album is him and russ ballard and the album starts off with a long ritchie blackmore solo (!!!).

roadmaster - hey world (mercury - 1979) i always try to like roadmaster, they are one of the kings of flouncy aor, but they never usually stick. and i've been trying since, like, 1979, so i get some sort of medal.

storm - s/t (capitol - 1983) big echo chamber 80's hard rock with female vox. some decent songs if you can ignore the wind tunnel production.

topaz - s/t (cbs - 1977) digging this a bunch. hard rockin' glammy power trio. apparently they weren't cutting it on cbs's dime though and the label brought in some gunslingers to get things done. the liner notes tell the tale:

topaz is rob stoner, billy cross, and jasper hutchison. WITH ASSISTANCE FROM MICK RONSON, HOWIE WYETH, AYNSLEY DUNBAR, RICK MAROTTA, RICK SCHLOSSER, LUTHER RIX.

hahaha! ouch! it's cool by me though. mick ronson could have sit in on every hard rock record that he wanted to as far as i'm concerned.

I had the Topaz album. It had a pleasantly cheesy flouncy tough guy trio photo. I think some of 'em went on to back up Link Wray. Or maybe not.

Storm always struck me as a soCal take on Queen -- played in a wind tunnel, as said -- with histrionic making up for total lack of songs. And didn't they have sort of an 'Angel' look to them, too?

in "Shine A Light On Me," though for some reason I find its gospelly backup chorale really hard to sit through.

Just couldn't pull off the Exile on Main St. thing. Or quite do Humble Pie ca. Eat It.

A whole album of punch outs like "Ain't Tellin' You Nothin" though would have been something.

So, just realized that the obvious '70s sonic precedent for that one lovely Alexander/Boom Boom Band ballad I compared to Jacobites above was probably Marc Bolan too, duh. (Which makes me wonder something. Don't think anybody's ever complained that T. Rex didn't get any albums into Stairway To Hell -- just listed "Bang A Gong"/"Jeepster" as a single in an appendix, but should they have? Just listened to The Slider for the first time forever -- turns out it charted higher than Electric Warrior stateside, weird -- I'd definitely call "Buick Mackane" a hard rock/metal tune, which explains why GNR covered it I guess, but I didn't notice any other tracks near that heavy on that LP. Honestly don't know if I've ever heard Tanx; the title always sounded heavy and metal to me. Doesn't look like T. Rex made the Jasper/Oliver book at all, and their defiition of metal was even wider than mine. Popoff sticks them in his "very very occasionally and slightly hard rocky" appendix in the back of his '70s book, seems to be saying the most metal thing about Bolan was his look. But hair metal bands -- Def Leppard at least -- were big fans, right?)

Speaking of hair metal, decided that 1988 Punch Drunk LP by Helsinki cowboys Gringos Locos I mentioned above (though I think I typed 1978 by mistake) doesn't really have the melodies or singing to put its sleaze over, though its Aero/Nuge/Halen/fast boogie riffs do push into a hefty overdrive a couple times ("Living On Borrowed Time," "Livin In Your Lovin' Light"), and they get a little funky with some Grand Funk cowbell in the title track then a little funkier with a Wild Cherry riff in "Jean Jinx Jane," then close with a six and a half minute talked "Guitarslinger's Blues" that doesn't have the momentum to support its rap. Really wanted to like them, love the idea of Rock City Angels style metal cowpunk from Hanoi Rocks land, but they don't cut it.

In newer news, I actually kind of like the new Heart album, Red Velvet Car, which is out in a couple months, though I'm not sure how much yet. Also kind of like the new Stone Temple Pilots album, which is more a powerpop than a grunge record. Blurbed the latter here:

http://www.rhapsody.com/stone-temple-pilots/stone-temple-pilots-2#albumreview

Favorite rocking album of the year so far, though, is a "country" CD with Link Wray and garage riffs, from Jace Everett. Wrote about it on Rolling Country, and linked to my Rhapsody review of it there too:

Rolling Country 2010

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpmU4xnmxlQ

And yeah, people like Girlschool (and Joan Jett maybe?) have covered that one, too. So what was T. Rex's hard rock percentage -- maybe 20%? More? Less? Kinda weird that I've never wondered about this before.

check out the 9 minute cadilac jam on youtube. i dunno, i think marc and t-rex had plenty of hard rocking moments. and his guitar sound was aped by, like, a million bands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6evT5x-wqs&feature=fvw

Okay, Scott, I believe you! (And if you keep posting youtube links I'll never be able to open this thread!) So anyway, different question: Which T. Rex album or albums should've made my metal book? (And isn't weird that me, Popoff, and Jasper/Oliver all missed them?)

T. Rex was not metal no matter how broadly you stretch the term. Marc Bolan's guitar had distortion on it, and wrote maybe three good riffs. That's as far as it goes. He started out making acoustic-guitar-and-flute bullshit and wound up making records that might have rocked had the production not been so unbelievably shitty. T. Rex is rock for eight-year-olds; it sounds like Muppet music, and I don't mean that in a good way (though this being ILM someone will now jump in and say that's the greatest idea ever). They might have been loud enough to be halfway good live, but I don't know; I've only heard the studio albums and that 2CD compilation of singles, and that stuff is about 95 percent crap. "20th Century Boy" is good, "Cadilac" is okay, "Metal Guru" is okay...that's all I can remember right now. But the fuzzy-everything and cardboard-box-drums sound of it all ruins any value it might have had. The continuing veneration of T. Rex is one of the greatest pieces of evidence that a great many English people, particularly English critics, can't make good rock music and can't recognize good rock music when they hear it.

you could have gone with slider or electric warrior. heavily distorted and overamplified chuck berry riffs that influenced everyone from the sex pistols to whoever is starting a guitar band this week.