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I don't find it at all useful to think "oh, it's in 19/8, cool"

No one does except for tubbies filling out the Mars Volta entry on wikipedia.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:20 (sixteen years ago) link

i was gonna say rush fans, but i guess either/or.

tipsy mothra, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:28 (sixteen years ago) link

This Rush fan couldn't care less about the goddamn time sig.

Bill Magill, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:30 (sixteen years ago) link

I just had a vision of Bela Fleck covering "Nineteenth Nervous Breakdown" and changing the time signature.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Or Muddy Waters singing "She's Nineteen" in a slow 19/8.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Well...

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link

I count one...

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link

two...

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link

three...

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link

four...

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link

five...

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link

...

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link

...nineteen!

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Too bad Scorsese left it on The Last Waltz cutting room floor.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Or "Hey Nineteen," where they really can't dance together.

jaymc, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:42 (sixteen years ago) link

To say nothing of "19/99"

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:45 (sixteen years ago) link

21/12

tipsy mothra, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link

"In the time signature 25/25 ..."

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:50 (sixteen years ago) link

31/21

Jordan, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:50 (sixteen years ago) link

25/41
Big beats so dancers have fun

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Chronic 200/1

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:52 (sixteen years ago) link

19/77
And we are going mad

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:53 (sixteen years ago) link

18/7 on a motherfuckin' cop

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Ram Jam's 'Black Betty' has got some weird timing/shifting going on. Or maybe the CD was skipping when I heard it last...

MacDara, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link

3/6 Mafia

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:08 (sixteen years ago) link

blink 1/82

tipsy mothra, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:11 (sixteen years ago) link

0.041666666666666666666666666666667

Arms, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:15 (sixteen years ago) link

0.81818181818181818181818181818181818181

Arms, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link

peep this groove in π/8, yo

Jordan, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:17 (sixteen years ago) link

roffles roffles roffles LOCK THREAD

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Ha, yeah, if you're going to count partial measures and such as part of the overall time signature (which you shouldn't), then "Walk the Line" would be in something like 42/4, and "Ring of Fire" would be the best-known song to be alternating between 11/4 and 6/4 and whatever else -- but they are not, they just have truncated measures and whatnot.

(I think "Walk the Line" just has a half-measure going into each verse section, to loop back to the vocal faster. If I'm remembering right, "Ring of Fire" has three-beat bars that could probably trip you up if you were asked to, like, play the bass part unrehearsed, and couldn't remember exactly how they worked -- but still a conventional signature.)

nabisco, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Ha, wait -- just call those cut time 2/2 and you're good (except "Ring" would have a few 3/2 bars when the horns are involved)

nabisco, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Yup. This happened to me on a gig with "All You Need Is Love", because I am the only person on earth who doesn't really listen to the Beatles and I didn't know where the dropped beats were on that tune.

xp

Jordan, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:41 (sixteen years ago) link

0/9

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:48 (sixteen years ago) link

867/5309

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:48 (sixteen years ago) link

tipsy mothra, if you ever do one of those "Music Together" classes with your kid, watch out for this tricky clapping exercise they throw at you near the end which is a couple bars of kind of syncopated 9/8 followed by a turnaround bar of 4/8.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:51 (sixteen years ago) link

What about Battles? Aren't "weird time signatures" and abrupt shift changes what they're known for?

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 21 January 2008 23:52 (sixteen years ago) link

God that 29/8 thing still makes me angry. WHY DON'T YOU JUST ADD UP ALL THE BEATS IN THE SONG AND MAKE THE WHOLE SONG ONE MEASURE OF 1568/8

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:54 (sixteen years ago) link

re: Beatles. Yes, there's a link upthread to another thread called John Lennon and his penchant for silly half-time changes in almost every song.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:55 (sixteen years ago) link

And, of course, nabisco otm.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:56 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost re: all you need is love

Aww! It's the last beat that drops, which is presumably why someone on Wikipedia is saying it'd be 7/4 (ha, and 4/4 + 3/4 would look like something else entirely) -- but I think it's actually in 3s (like a 6/8), and not just shuffled, which would make it ... slightly out of my depth. How would you denote that? Consulting the song via YouTube has not helped, but I like how Lennon was apparently chewing gum while singing this on their global broadcast.

nabisco, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:56 (sixteen years ago) link

4/4 : 6/8 :: 7/4 : ?/?

nabisco, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:57 (sixteen years ago) link

(Middle-school math suggests "10/8," but that doesn't help at all.)

nabisco, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:58 (sixteen years ago) link

I mean 9/8, actually

nabisco, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Isn't there some theory that Lennon chewed gum before, and apparently during, singing to mucify his vocal chords to rectify the damage that started with "Twist and Shout"?

I'd check Allan Pollack for the "All You Need Is Love" time signature.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:01 (sixteen years ago) link

nabisco: 6/8 + 6/8 + 9/8

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:01 (sixteen years ago) link

OR LIKE 21/8 GOD THE BEATLES ARE PROG LOL, I'M GONNA GO PLAY HOT BASSLICKS TO MY TOOL ALBUMS GUYS

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:02 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost - yes, W, I was just coming around

(I just wound up doing exactly what I was bitching about upthread -- like "would that be 21/8, then?" when putting it in 6/8 makes the half-measure not weird anymore)

nabisco, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:03 (sixteen years ago) link

double x-post haha!

nabisco, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I just listened to All You Need Is Love on youtube, it's pretty simple...7/4 bars for most of the verses (OR 4/4 + 3/4 IF YOU PREFER), and a 3/4 bar at the turnaround coming out of the chorus. Where are you getting 6/8 from, nabs?

Jordan, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link


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