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great year for freelancers.

― s1ocki, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

good editors:

jess harvell, baltimore city paper

andrew nosnitsky, scratch magazine

michaelangelo matos, [TBA?]

― and what, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

in retrospect this thread comes off as mostly bullshit whining - i have no idea why i thought an athens ga free weekly would be publishing some 19 yr old's dense, injokey, christgau jr style reviews of pop-rap completely unedited

― and what, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I think almost every teenagerish that writes goes throught that I'M HOT SHIT SO DON'T TRY IT phase.

― David R., Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

You were 19! Give yourself a break.

― jim, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

no the reviews themselves were brilliant, obviously - only my surprise was naive

― and what, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link

That's my boi!

― David R., Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i love this thread! is scratch still worth reading? i was going to get a subscription a while ago, but im always so damn broke. maybe i need to start writing music reviews for 5 dollars a pop. wait, i'll do 'em for 4. if i can crank them out in half an hour itd be totally worth it.

― artdamages, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

the weird thing is that ethan takes direction better and makes changes more graciously than almost any other writer i've worked with!

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

we don't want to get into how bizarre references to mc 900 foot jesus ended up in my world is gone review.

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/batman/dent1.jpg

― artdamages, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I got the new XXL-ized issue of Scratch the other day and so far it's up to about the same quality as it's been before (I am kinda mad though that B.Fred asked me about doing a XXLmag guest blog right before he stopped running the site to edit Scratch, though, since I guess that makes the offer irrelevent now). is Noz really an editor there? I thought he was just a contributor but I guess I'll have to look at the masthead when I get home.

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

weirdly (?) i've never had any problem with any editor i've ever worked with. then again i've mostly written for my friends, and people i know through ilm.

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

ilm is like the free masons of music critics except you can google it. im sure all the really secretive shit is discussed on cell phones which are promtly disposed of afterwards.

― artdamages, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Jess, the only time I've really been unhappy with your editing is when you shoehorned 2 references to 'minimalism' into one of my reviews. But I guess your brain's been so burned out by ILM that you just see the word everywhere, like sunspots.

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i plead adjective burnout.

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

my dreams of writing for vibe

http://www.vibe.com/blog/rapidshare/

― deej, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

dude, Fennessey is like the Candyman, don't talk about him on ILM unless you want an e-mail from him about how you shouldn't talk about him on ILM.

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

FENNESSEY FENNESSEY FENNESSEY

I don't really have an issue with him per se, i mean he's been corny or whatever but he's putting in work which is more than i've been able to say for my lazy ass. But really, who can read a blog thats basically him copying his IM logs with Jon Caramanica for like six straight entries???

― deej, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

unfortunately 'a khaki kid looks at hip-hop' was taken offline a while back

― and what, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

even IM conversations need editing as anyone on ilm knows

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

'a khaki kid blogs for vibe' > 'rapidshare'

― deej, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

haha well I actually read those just because I like reading next-day American Idol analysis, and really anyone's IM logs can make them look like a moron in the cold light of day, but oof, all that slang.

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe this belongs on the nathan rabin RIP thread

― and what, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

as anyone who has seen the way my own blog has ground to a halt knows, i have no problem with posting IM chats as blog content.

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

though this might only be why i blog run-on sentences in all caps on my myspace page these days.

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

guess i'm the only person who would love to see more mc 900 ft jesus references scattered about ..

― mark e, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

pitchfork makin me stay one step ahead of the spider

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

on the other hand, you aren't paid by the LMAO

― deej, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

i wonder if i could actually pass an IM convo off for the CP blog

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm just amazed you dudes can keep up with all these blogs! doesn't xxl have like 900 alone?

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah but most of them are updated sporadically and I think Billy Sunday is just a computer program that spouts out random rapper/athlete analogies and the word "hardbody" over and over.

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

lololol

― and what, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

haha yeah what the fuck

― deej, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I was looking at a regional map of the United States for informational purposes and I saw that Texas wasn’t actually part of the southern region. The south ends with Louisiana. So if all the rappers from Texas that have been killing shit for the last few years are removed from the southern bracket how many official emcees would that give us from the south? T.I.,Young Buck, Andre, Big Boi, Jeezy on a real good day and… Shamrock?!? The south just lost the regional rap competition.

― deej, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

North East – This is still the strongest bracket in regional rap competition

!!!!

― deej, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean obviously his m.o. is to rile people but still its just stupid. who can even take him seriously?

― deej, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Let's hear it for REGIONAL RAP COMPETITION!

― David R., Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah what's the point in a second Byron Crawford if he isn't as occasionally funny on purpose as the first one.

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

if his job is to make byron look good by comparison i guess he's worked out nicely

― deej, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

if you take philadelphia out of new york, they're basically swizz beats and screwball but whatever

― deej, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I think almost every teenagerish that writes goes throught that I'M HOT SHIT SO DON'T TRY IT phase.

Eh, you don't have to think you're hot shit to be uncomfortable with people changing your words and your meanings! Especially if you honestly thought about your prose enough to write it that way for a specific reason. There are all kinds of edits that are fairly transparent and which ANY writer can understand as "tightening" or "clarification" or whatever, but it seems like some editors start thinking -- with new writers -- that they can actually re-write and punch up stuff. (And that can be part of the game, too, just providing raw copy and letting a publication use it as they will -- but I don't think that's anything a new writer is going to be ready to adapt to: I can understand editing the fuck out of professionals in Entertainment Weekly, but if you're a 22-year-old all excited to see your name for the first time on a local alt-weekly review, there's absolutely no reason it shouldn't say what you meant to say!)

(Hahaha on the other hand I actually first worked for Pitchfork for like 2 days in 1999, or something, as a news writer, and got horribly indignant and quit because someone added an unfunny joke to the first thing I wrote -- in retrospect I may have puffed up a bit much over "I will not have people thinking I made that joke" principle. Although there was no pay back then, and nobody wants to be forced to put his name on a bad joke for free.)

― nabisco, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

well that regional rap entry isn't nearly as crazy as the one where he says the top 5 mc's of 2007 include Paul Wall and Mos Def (or the one where he says that Juelz Santana and Mike Jones have "where are they now?" status).

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link

his paul wall obsession is extremely bizarre

― deej, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

(Hahaha on the other hand I actually first worked for Pitchfork for like 2 days in 1999, or something, as a news writer, and got horribly indignant and quit because someone added an unfunny joke to the first thing I wrote -- in retrospect I may have puffed up a bit much over "I will not have people thinking I made that joke" principle. Although there was no pay back then, and nobody wants to be forced to put his name on a bad joke for free.)

that pretty much sums up my Pitchfork experience (except it was in 2000 instead of '99). NEED MORE FUNNY is not a sound editing philosophy.

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

i wrote a review for a magazine once and i had to rewrite it five times AND they added all kinds of stuff that i didn't write, so i asked them if i could take my name off of it and have the review credited to "Rick Rockwrite". AND i belittled the editor on the phone when he called me at work. i still feel kinda bad about that. but i was younger and drunker and not very professional. how is Spin doing these days, anyway?

― scott seward, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, you kinda just have to hire funny from the beginning -- there's no editing it in.

Hahaha unless music crit goes Hollywood, and editors are all like "Hey, we really liked your article, it's got a great shape to it ... I think we're gonna bring in Nick Sylvester to punch it up, and if that doesn't get us there, then Ben Stiller's going to do a rewrite."

― nabisco, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

ugh re jokes: how about an unannounced parka joke showing up at the end of a 50 word blurb for a celtic frost show?

― fukasaku tollbooth, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

lol BRING A PARKA ;-)

― and what, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

pfork edited the fuck out of my rvws too (including addition of unfunny joeks) except the eminem review & later mullah omar/choppa moussaoui stuff

― and what, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link

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