"Uh Huh Her." Thoughts on the new PJ Harvey?

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I had no idea 'Stories' was even hated. Just cos it ended up on 'Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back'...

Sir Stewart Wallace (Enrique), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't hate Stories..., but it's my least favourite of her albums. Although I'm not a hipster, either, so...

Actually, my memory/impression of the reception received by Stories... at the time it was released was very favourable, wasn't it? On some level, it reminded me of the contemporaneous All that I Can't Leave Behind (they were not only released in the same year, but the same month) -- both in its critical reception (a return to guitar rock/form!) and in its large sound, even down to similarly awkward attempts to re-mythologise New York City.

(It's a whole 'nother thread, but has anyone else noticed how many bands/artists were writing explicitly, overtly about NYC in the months leading up to 9/11? I know they always have, but the numbers seem disproportionate, like the collective unconscious had an inkling or something.)

David A. (Davant), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

the new york stuff on stories is creepy

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Dry so much the rest of her albums (esp. Stories) suffer in comparison.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

the new york stuff on stories is creepy

Yeah, how lucky was she to write "Kamikaze" for her New York album ...

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

the new york stuff on stories is creepy

Yes, I agree.

(And just to back up my weird assertion above, alongside U2 and PJ Harvey, there were songs by Doves, Richard Ashcroft and Interpol arpound that time all featuring NYC either heavily, thematically, or overtly in the titles.)

David A. (Davant), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Stories and listen to it just as much as her other albums. This new one, though, eh. Not so much. Though she was fucking staggeringly amazing at the Knitting Factory show. Just completely jaw-dropping. The best description of the show that I read is on SFJ's blog. None can compare.

Je4nne Ć’ury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

why is it creepy?

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

This new one is actually sounding very good! Not as bluesy as I had envisaged. Very muffled sound though.

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 06:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Very muffled sound though

Many of the tracks on slsk etc were ripped from vinyl.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 06:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I've purchased my own legitimate copy, sir!
It is pretty strange though, I have to really raise the volume on my stereo for this one.

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Just saw her on Letterman, and her guitar player had a fucking Airline guitar a la Jack White. Is the Airline the new Jaguar? I bet next time you see that twat from Bush he'll have one.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 06:38 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, there's no pj album i think i could single out as MEDIOCRE, let alone bad. "stories" is my second favorite of her albums, after "to bring you my love." (come on, doesn't anyone else like that one?)

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 07:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I like To Bring you My Lovethe best too, FWIW. then Dry, Rid of Me, and Stories in that order-haven't heard the others, though I admit never really giving Stories a fair shake. The new song she played on Letterman was OK, just couldn't stop staring at the stupid White Stripes guitar. Thought the yellow dress was cute. She also had yellow gloves and pink shoes on.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 09:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw PJ Harvey during the early hype and decided I didn't like her. It was the punk-blues thing, but also:

* British person using American idioms.
* Romantic conception of self as 'intense artist'.
* Literary humanist worldview influenced by American short story, poetry workshop lyrics such as: 'Can't you see my handwriting?/the curve of my g?/the longing?'
* 'Strong woman feminism'; 'girls can be violent too, you know!'
* Guitar orientation. (Connected to point above.)
* She makes the kind of records that make critics say things like 'Lust, anger, hurt and trust do their timeless dance once again.' (Kitty Empire)
* She makes the kind of records that make punters say 'Is this really about her break-up with Celebrity X / Y?' (Insert Nick Cave, Vincent Gallo, etc.) -- ie it's record-making as a sort of All-Celebrity LiveJournal.





Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

The Airline guitar was beautiful, though -- cool rock stars rockin' the cool, trendy axe is what its all about.

briania (briania), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:35 (nineteen years ago) link

There has been a copy sat on the chair in my hall for the past 3/4 weeks. It remains unplayed.

___ (___), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:36 (nineteen years ago) link

She's a total git, and should be torn to shreds by wild dogs for her belief in fox hunting the dumb sod. No respect at all.

C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Who The Fuck's cop on 'the new primal rawk' (even if she did invent the re-invention, gee, thanks Polly!) is lamey lamey lamey. How many costume changes and how much dancing in your panties (see video) does it take to tell an arrogant man to go away, please? (The only good thing about it is the silly backing vocals right at the end.)

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link

She DOESN'T 'believe' in fox-hunting (why am I rising to this? - he even calls himself out with his faux-irony 'torn to shreds' remark??!!) she just said that she isn't against it because she lives in a rural area and a; it's something she's familiar with seeing throughout her whole life (horses, red jackets, hounds, etcetera NOT foxes being 'torn to shreds') and she thinks it would be weird and wrong for that tradition to just vanish, and b; in rural areas foxes (and also badgers) are often serious pests to farmers. Fox Hunting may be inhumane but THEY'RE NOT HUMAN ANYWAY, THEY'RE FOXES, YOU FUCKING TWAT.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Fox hunting is just another form of rockism. C-Man is quite right to call her out on it.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Anything C man does that gets a rise out of sick is allowed, I say.

___ (___), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Wind me up and watch me go!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Momus, What exactly is wrong with being a "British person using American idioms"? There aren't many British people who don't use American idioms, it's a part of being British and a part of rock. By the way, I like your latest Leadbelly-inspired blues track "cussing all the time", "squealing like a hog", all fine British idioms!

thing of thing, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:00 (nineteen years ago) link

All American idios are british idioms anyway unless their in Native Indian languages/Hispanic etcetera, surely?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

She stated that she is all for it Nick - and from your comments ("She doesn't believe in fox hunting... she just says it's good that's all" WTF you dozy cock rocket) you are an idiot. All of Harvey's CDs should come with the warning on the front:

"WARNING, this dopey bitch likes fox hunting and enjoys upper class people tearing a helpless, exhausted animal to shreds. She is a cunt and therefore in buying this album you are also a twat. And her basic "re-invention" is wearing ass high skirts. No more radical than Emma Bunton, then".

C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Likewise Suede albums should come with a warning along the lines of DANGER DANGER BR3TT @NDERSON WAS KNOWN TO REQUEST UNDERAGE CHILDREN ON HIS RIDER eh wot wot?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Also misquoting me does not make me stupid when the quote is TEN LINES ABOVE; it makes you a fule for not being able to copy&paste.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Believing in something and being 'not against them' as totally different things.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

God C-man, are you a vegan or something?! Rock artist makes a comment that disagrees with your somewhat Countryside Alliance leanings -----> can't listen to music?!

___ (___), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Yo. Nick. Go felch at badger.

C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Or rather go felch a badger. Sorry.

C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Calum you are a moran.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

If we could cease with the tedium, please.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry Ned. < /contrite>

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

(Amused by nuance et badinage, ROTFL.)

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Like to hear Momus answer that American idioms question. How does his own "folk record" fit in?

Tie this in with his comments on the big and rich thread and I have to ask, are we in for an all-out anti-america essay at the homepage soon?

danh, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Nick you are a toff sadist.

C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahahaha! I am so not a toff! Killing animals and wiping their blood across your face and eating their still-wriggling livers is NOT an activity reserved for the upper classes! Claim back your right to main bunnies, people, rise up and eat that goat/fox/badger, my proletariat brethren!!!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

"maiM bunnies", innit, asshat.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

momus, none of the points you raised explains why you don't like pj harvey. most of them except the last two also apply to patti smith for example. with the first one turned around: "an american using british idioms". actually that point i don't get at all. it sounds very much like this idea of a puristic(?) german which the nazis tried to establish. there are still traces in current german, take "kraftfahrzeug" for "auto" (car). this idea of a language which closes itself up is so backward and narrow-minded. i hope i didn't get what you wanted to say. i have nothing against britishness but britishness as a means in itself is a sad joke. it sounds like some die-hards lamenting about the end of the british empire.

the thing about her having a romantic conception of self as intense artist is another mystery to me. first question how do you know this? i perceive her as making intense music. as making the kind of music she likes to make. as being herself. maybe i am naive. but she comes over as authentic. or better original, unique. and even if she had that romantic perception. how could it ever influence the appreciation of her music? you seem to try to cover her with far-fetched rationalised labels to store her somewhere in the cave. what's the point?

what's bad about the strong rock girl thing? do you think she chose it in the beginning intentionally to promote her career? i don't think so. and even if it is so, she is brilliant at it.

and how can you reproach her what the critics write about her? that's totally ridiculuous. this point only makes sense if she made her records to make critics write that they are full of lust, anger etc. she didn't make "dry" for that, even you can't believe that. she risked something, tried something new and it worked out. that's what all your criticism sounds like. you envy her her success. is that true?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I wouldn't mind hunting this fox:

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg300/g327/g32720ot42m.jpg

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link

in any case there is a flaw in your argument, momus. on one hand you want her to be more british language wise in the conservative way and on the other hand you don't like her defense of fox hunting. which is a very british tradition. not politically correct but pj harvey has never been about pc. and that is another thing i like about her.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

momus must be evolving into philip larkin in his old age.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

no alex don't you see all british people are supposed to be dry and witty in an epigrammatic sort of way and write nothing but clever deconstructions of popular songs, how else would we ever see their inherent aryan superiority to americans?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

and "strong woman feminism," don't we all get hives just thinking about THAT.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

momus prefers his women with a mouthful of cum

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

* She makes the kind of records that make critics say things like 'Lust, anger, hurt and trust do their timeless dance once again.' (Kitty Empire)

hahaha, yes -- if only PJ had consulted the Observer before going into the studio, we would have been spared KE's crimes against reviewing.

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

What an arsehole. That's like saying "paki bashing" or "the Queen" or "Maggie Thatcher" are British traditions. Well, in many ways they are (albeit ENGLISH traditions) but that doesn't make them good. You can be a patriot and not faovur the fucking sick as shit side of your country, to which fox hunting is one. Harvey is a prick.

C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you equating Pakistanis and members of the royal family with vermin, Calum?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link


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