Does anyone REALLY like My Bloody Valentine?

gala is fantastic. it's funny to still see complaints about robin guthrie's production on spooky, i feel like i am in a time machine. i'm closer to the opinion that the songs just weren't so great though i still quite like that album.

is this Josh? (heehee.)
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

is this Josh? (heehee.)
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

is this Josh? (heehee.)
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

is this Josh? (heehee.)
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

is this Josh? (heehee.)
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

is this Josh? (heehee.)
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

is this Josh? (heehee.)
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

is this Josh? (heehee.)
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

is this Josh? (heehee.)
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

is this Josh? (heehee.)
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

ilx has made me hate mbv

not ilx, calum.

(sarcasm)I find them much more interesting as an art project, or maybe an artistic theory, than I do a band. They're not a real band anyway, right. I think it all lies in the pretty album covers.(/sarcasm)

not calum, ilx.

It was only in retrospect that Curve were claimed by goths. They were definitely seen as part of the shoegazer bunch in 1991, even though they mimed to a lot of the stuff live, which groups like Lush or Ride would never have done. And they were always seen as less cool because of the Dave Stewart connection, obviously.

Early Cranes were very Isn't Anything era MBV (Inesescaple ep?), but quickly went very swoony and orchcestral (blame being too in thrall to Wish period Cure).

Lush were never taken as seriously as Ride, and then went super pop jangly, whereas we have 'Rioooode' to thank for the Coldplay blueprint that is Carnival or Life.

I listened to that first Slowdive album for the first time in ages the other day, why did they have to slow everything down so much?

It was only in retrospect that Curve were claimed by goths.

Not out here!

Actually I like the idea of the album being called Carnival or Life.

Slowdive EPs played at 45 -- at 33 they were even more amazing!

It was only in retrospect that Curve were claimed by goths.

Nope. I fucked up an interview in 1992 by drunkenly opening with "Shhhhhooo, what's your favourite Goff record Toneeeee?"

Wait, Hupi, who are you?

I'm just this guy, y'know?

Now I've got Zaphod Beeblebrox lines in my head. Which is no bad thing.

Did you find out what her favourite goth record was?

That was the end of the interview.

She was just trying to die like some dog.

Coldplay blueprint that is Carnival or Life

Toni Halliday had a pretty gothy look in those days. They also did Siouxsie covers...

the only people i know that still pull out curve records are pretty gothy sorts...i think they fit pretty easily into that flying buttressed niche at the time. recall the video for fait acompli

and im not quite getting the carnival of light --> coldplay bridge either

i don't think of shoegazers being goth.

Shoegazers = not Goth
Curve = Goth

oh okay.

I often pix of Rachel from Slowdive with a Christian Death t-shirt!

I had a poster of Toni Halliday on my wall when I was 14. I wasn't really a goth, although I did like Sisters of Mercy and the Cure.

I also had pictures of Miki Berenyi & Rachel Goswell on my wall!

I had pictures of indie dudes too, it wasn't just a hott indie girlz wall.

That wasDom Passantino. Ye-yeh-noh.
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 08 July 2007 00:01 (1,5 days ahead)
That wasDom Passantino. Ye-yeh-noh.
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 08 July 2007 00:01 (1,5 days ahead)
That wasDom Passantino. Ye-yeh-noh.
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 08 July 2007 00:01 (1,5 days ahead)
That wasDom Passantino. Ye-yeh-noh.
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 08 July 2007 00:01 (1,5 days ahead)
That wasDom Passantino. Ye-yeh-noh.
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 08 July 2007 00:01 (1,5 days ahead)
That wasDom Passantino. Ye-yeh-noh.
-- Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 08 July 2007 00:01 (1,5 days ahead)

Apparently Daft Punk do as in the FADER interview they cite "Soon" as the track responsible for getting them into dance and drum machines, etc

:-D

Thought you'd like that Ned :)

Hehehe. I am, in fact, that obvious. ;-)

Missed this thread. Ride's definitely tighter, but Lush wins out on the whole dated early 90s guitar/wooshiness. more feeling maybe.

MBV - Isn't Anything is definitely superior to Lovelesss,. [[/controvisersiona:!.]

Apparently Daft Punk do as in the FADER interview they cite "Soon" as the track responsible for getting them into dance and drum machines, etc

-- Spencer Chow, Tuesday, August 14, 2007 7:20 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

kind of depressing...

unless they meant rock is so BORING we must abandon it and make awesome fun songs people can dance to. /lex

Why would that be depressing at all?? Discovering a direct link between two favorite things that is unsuspected and amazing. Also, they're pretty young - when "Soon" came out, I was certainly listening to dance and hip hop but it was much more difficult to make than playing with guitars and a real drummer. That's exactly the same time I started playing with drum machines and for the same exact reason.

Makes perfect sense really.

'soon' probably cost about 2000x more than 'da funk' innit? i'm not saying dance music is easier to make, but it's possibly less expensive.

but really i meant, if you're going to get turned on to dance, why not get turned on to it by dance music rather than a rock song that has a drum machine on it?

First of all: Big ups to the OP for a great (if a bit obvious) troll topic. I just have a few comments to add after reading the thread:

1. There's a huge shoegaze/goth crossover - always has been, always will be - though MBV was possibly the least popular with goths I knew. Slowdive, Curve, Cocteau Twins, tons of 4AD stuff, tons of later shoegaze influenced Projekt stuff, etc. I had, and still have, a lot of friends who were into the goth thing, and my perspective is that shoegaze sort of never ended.

2. Loveless is obnoxiously over-hyped by critics, imo. It becomes hard to take an album at face value that is constantly hyped as being, like, my generation's Dark Side of the Moon or some shit. When I listened to this as a young adult, I heard a nice melancholic psychedelic record with great catchy melodies. Now I just hear it the same way I see Metropolis or Citizen Cane. Pay Attention: You Are Listening to an IMPORTANT Record.

I haven't listened to this in a few years. It's probably due a re-evaluation, but not for a long time. I still listen to Slowdive on a regular basis, and I think I might enjoy the new Alcest album more than I ever did Loveless - if they are even comparable. I'm not trying to skewer any sacred cows here, but I also kind of understand the desire to. It kinda sucks when a work of art gets to the point where it's hard to enjoy on its own merits.

Then again, maybe the anti-Loveless folks really just don't feel the melodies. If everyone liked it, it wouldn't just be a critical favorite. I'd guess about 2% of the people I hang out with have ever heard of MBV.

"'soon' probably cost about 2000x more than 'da funk' innit?"

Not necessarily. At the time "Soon" was made (in '89-90), "Da Funk" would have cost considerably more to record/sequence etc. "Soon" is really deceptively simple. Shield's cost overruns came more with "Loveless". In the late 80s, it was much cheaper and simpler to just grab guitars and amps.