White musicians and "artistic" use of the N-word: A Discussion and Social History

xp I disagree...I don't think there are two different causes for both racial groups choosing the same answer...I think it's more systematic than that.

Kids are tribal and exclusionary and race (and class and intelligence and social ability) are certainly early and convenient ways of separating people.

"how pumped is bill magill??"

You don't wanna know man, tick me off and i may come over and bench press your house!!!

so a blond blue-eyed kid thinks being blond and blue-eyed is beautiful, and when they see other kids that look like that they make that connection. by exclusion, kids who are not like them must not be beautiful, so kids create this scale in their mind that is basically "people who are like me are good/people not like me are not" and then you have to think okay how do you break down this seemingly perfectly natural and logical conclusion my child is drawing...

AFAIK, lighter skin and more 'European'-looking features are still privileged as 'beautiful' in India, (incl by darker-skinned people). (Certainly were for my parents' generation.)

my sister who slathers herself in fake tan was really freaked out when she lived in india by the skin bleaching creams that were so popular

"I'm Quentin Tarantino, and I've got carte blanche to throw around this word as casually and as glibly as I want--wink-wink, nudge-nudge."
Do you mean the dialogue he writes? or the ones he delivered himself, because his cameo was a little cringey anyway, n-bombs notwithstanding.

xxxp missing the point. to say that white children think that lighter skin denotes intelligence bcz children are exclusionary & tribal, and then to say that black children think that lighter skin denotes intelligence bcz they are programmed to feel inferior...they're something wrong with that statement.

"children are 'naturally' exclusionary & tribal" is what I meant, btw.

yeah i was 100% w/ dialog in Reservoir Dogs

his DNS bit in Pulp fiction brings the film to a screeching halt and pretty much made me want to punch him

maybe there's another category for sly race-baiting that doesn't quite go for anything as strong as the n-word:

i dig the black girls
oh so much more than the white girls
i was so pleased to learn they were faster
c'est c'est c'est vous i'm after

black girls by violent femmes

or even worse

Black girls want to fuck all night long

by that lovely Mick Jagger chap

Some observations as I had as I read over this thread:

1) 10/10 of you fuckers have said something moronic at age 19. In fact, 10/10 of you have said something moronic within the last 2 hours. You're just lucky no one with a mic was standing near you and it didn't get repeated a hundred times to the general public.
2) Jocks don't exist anymore. Everyone who would have been a jock in the past is now a jock/stoner/surfer-dude hybrid.
3) Is every single person in this thread white?

the mighty tag-team of HI DERE & Nabisco I believe are not white...

lol

10/10 of you have said something moronic within the last 2 hours. . .Is every single person in this thread white?

i'm white btw

A real heart-breaking one for me is The Oblivians' "Nigger Rich" - which I'm sure they did as shock value "punk rock" transgressive bullshit on some level - but they're so much fucking smarter than that. Also - and not to harp on Southerners - but something about that coming from a Memphis band is extra depressing

I said something massively stupid just minutes ago, ffs.

itd kindof be awful if white ppl were entirely barred/absolved from holding other white people to account for the racially insensitive things they say. Especially because it would mean even more work for people of colour.

imo.

"2) Jocks don't exist anymore. Everyone who would have been a jock in the past is now a jock/stoner/surfer-dude hybrid."

Despite Obama's vengeance for hoops, I firmly put him in the nerd column, and GWB in with the jocks despite being a cheerleader, and very likely some kind of stoner surfer dude in his youth.

10/10 of you have said something moronic within the last 2 hours. . .Is every single person in this thread white?

^i plead guilty on both counts.

Despite Obama's vengeance for hoops, I firmly put him in the nerd column, and GWB in with the jocks despite being a cheerleader, and very likely some kind of stoner surfer dude in his youth.

^does this type of categorization advance the ball at all?

I meant the dialogue specifically uttered by Tarantino himself. In Reservoir Dogs, he disappeared into his character in that first scene. (I'm being unfair here to the extent that, if you saw Reservoir Dogs on initial release, you hadn't a clue who Quentin Tarantino was; disappearing into his character was a lot easier.) But when he shows up towards the end of Pulp Fiction, he's just doing the kind of wreckless shtick that Bangs wrote about (excoriating himself) in his White Noise Supremacists piece.

jocks def. exist

"wreckless" = "reckless"; I've just got Wreckless Eric on my mind 24-7...I'm just hopeless with typos on this board.

I don't know the timeframe of the study, but maybe Obama's presidency not equalizing child's perceptions of smartness w/r/t skin color has something to do with GWB having the same office previously. So yeah, black nerds need to represent. When you think of physicists, Neil deGrasse Tyson needs to bump out Stephen Hawking for the exemplar spot.

obama was not a nerd, he was a choom gangsta

10/10 of you have said something moronic within the last 2 hours. . .Is every single person in this thread white?

Unfortunately, your clever quoting missed the point I was making... which is that we all say stupid things all the time, and they tend to sound even stupider when you hear them out of context, and when you don't know the person.

Regardless, I think it's worth asking about the racial composition of this thread's participants. I don't like the idea of a bunch of fat, white, pop culture dorks sitting together organizing some kind of social response plan surrounding the word NIGGER. It would be a masturbatory pursuit that would only serve to emphasize the depth of the racial divide, where people pretend like they understand shit about race relations, but who can only speculate based on their own fears, inherited perception of social tensions, guilt, and overall acculturation processes about how people "should" or "shouldn't" talk. Fuck that. This should be a multicultural discussion.

A real heart-breaking one for me is The Oblivians' "Nigger Rich" - which I'm sure they did as shock value "punk rock" transgressive bullshit on some level - but they're so much fucking smarter than that. Also - and not to harp on Southerners - but something about that coming from a Memphis band is extra depressing

― brio, Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:26 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

phil u seem to have this "every one i like isn't a jock everyone i hate is a jock" thang goin on

my bmi is 23.8

i went to the gym this morning

Obama was clearly no nerd

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2010/06/09/PH2010060903176.jpg

res ilx is relatively but inevitably 'narrow' culturally (as opposed to racially which is a slightly different ish).

a bunch of fat, white, pop culture dorks sitting together organizing some kind of social response plan

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I don't like the idea of a bunch of fat, white, pop culture dorks sitting together organizing some kind of social response plan surrounding the word NIGGER. It would be a masturbatory pursuit that would only serve to emphasize the depth of the racial divide, where people pretend like they understand shit about race relations, but who can only speculate based on their own fears, inherited perception of social tensions, guilt, and overall acculturation processes about how people "should" or "shouldn't" talk. Fuck that. This should be a multicultural discussion.

― Lazarus Niles-Burnham (res), Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:40 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark

hey, some us are really skinny.

(not me though.)

I didn't say that's what ILX was. I said I'd want to know if that was the case. xpost

too many belle and sebastian fans tbh

it's spelled phat btw

' "every one i like isn't a jock everyone i hate is a jock" thang goin on'
ha! pretty much! I'm sure there's some nerds I hate, too though.

I'm neither fat nor do I know much about pop culture and I can't remember where my 'Dear Catastrophe Waitress' CD is.

i'm a lard-carrying member of the phatty club

but yeah, the tendency to excoriate ian mackay kinda sticks in my craw, too. maybe he hasn't sufficiently apologized for his remarks, but he's at least tried, and i'm sure i said equally reprehensible shit in my teens. i get the impression that he was speaking from an ignorance he later outgrew, which doesn't automatically render his youthful remarks harmless, but it does incline me to cut the dude some slack 30 years down the line.

I don't like the idea of a bunch of fat, white, pop culture dorks sitting together organizing some kind of social response plan surrounding the word NIGGER. It would be a masturbatory pursuit that would only serve to emphasize the depth of the racial divide, where people pretend like they understand shit about race relations, but who can only speculate based on their own fears, inherited perception of social tensions, guilt, and overall acculturation processes about how people "should" or "shouldn't" talk. Fuck that. This should be a multicultural discussion.

― Lazarus Niles-Burnham (res), Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:40 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark

One of the all time worst posts. And trust me, I've put a few up there.

many xxxposts @ clemenza, I was specifically talking about the N word, but now that I think about, maybe it wasn't used in Res Dogs..? but you are correct; his character in RD, however obnoxious, is believable. in Pulp he's really excessive and irritating. tbh he could have subbed "Dead Asshole Storage" and it still would have been grating. but at least it wouldn't be pig-ignorant shock tactics.

i'd like to think that people of any sort can have meaningful discussions even about difficult subject

Yeah, I'd like to think that too. But you have to admit that something is severely lacking at a white man's convention about race relations.

I didn't say that's what ILX was. I said I'd want to know if that was the case. xpost

― Lazarus Niles-Burnham (res), Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:49 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

Kinda depends on the white dudes, tbf, and this isn't a white man's convention, res.

But you have to admit that something is severely lacking at a white man's convention about race relations.

― Lazarus Niles-Burnham (res), Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:53 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

this isn't a "white man's convention about race relations" (argh xpost)

hmmm gee maybe if there was some way we could tag posters' racial characteristics... you could put a little Star of David next to all my posts if that would make you comfortable (whether or not Jews are white people is highly contentious)

ps I am not fat

xp