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is this a good country song? is this a country song? i like it

youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Sunday, 27 June 2010 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Did you guys read the Nashville Scene thing I did on Elizabeth Cook (looking back upthread)? It's on the Scene site in case you didn't see it. I would say it's an intermittently brilliant little record, I would give it a A-minus if I gave grades. Songwriting fades halfway thru and musically...well, it has its moments, but it's mainly received wisdom or received harmonic language as Xgau pointed out. Saw Cook at Station Inn for the release party in Nashville--you know, we liked it, she's great and her husband plays nice guitar. But whether or not the voice is compelling enough or rich enough to keep me innerested over the long haul...dunno. However, "Heroin Addict Sister" is mighty good songwritin'.

Let's see, mainly I've been writing about just whatever tickles my fancy and/or comes thru town. Did see Tim O'Brien, also at Station Inn (I like the old dump of a place in the newly gentrified Gulch area of town with its fancy coffee shops and new buildings). You know, the guy's kinda wry and he comes across as another victim/observer, I like him OK. And mainly we've been going out to see stuff, we caught Paul Thorn, who definitely belongs here on this thread, at the Belcourt. Tight little band in a Stones/Attractions vein, a real good drummer and a big, fat keyboard dude, like Thorn from Tupelo. Anyway, his trailer-park song and his one about how he don't like his relatives but he loves them are also good, funny, and he knows how to parlay his plain voice and average-dude looks and Southern bad-boy charm into a very good night out indeed. Caroline just loved him, I liked him a lot, the women in gen'l seemed to love him. The record--Pimps and Preachers--is just OK, though.

And I think I find Deer Tick a bit repetitive, altho the opening Black Dirt track is quite cool. Megafaun's use of electronics 'n such gives them the edge over the Tick. I wrote something about Dierks B. recently--I thought his bluegrass record was mainly a load of shit, just because the songs were such Music Row hackdom and phoned in. The Dylan cover, meh, but one blues by Suzi Ragsdale or someone like that (writer) was kinda good. Just didn't get the frission of bluegrass/country I was supposed to, and I still like his thrown-away road-dog singles from a few years ago, as bluegrass fusionoid thang.

Someone above, Chuck maybe, asked about the Nashville flood. Maybe I should look at the numbers, but I can tell you whole subdivisions (the ones built in bends of the Cumberland River, where of course they shouldn't have been) were wiped out, main roads like Harding Pike there at Belle Meade Blvd. (very tony address) and Charlotte Pike were under water, the interstates were under water. In our little subdivision, the entire row of houses along the Little Harpeth River were flooded with mud up to the windows, and two houses partially burned right down the street. Pretty bad, but the impact of Katrina on a much poorer populace was probably bigger. We didn't get flooded 'cause we up on a hill, but it was freaky: 40 hours of straight rain.

Also saw Neil Young at the Ryman and, you know, he was good and all. But actually I was there to see Bert Jansch, I had been listening to Jansch a lot recently, and also wrote him up in the Scene recently in case you wanna read it. I mean Jansch belongs in this discussion if only for the way he parallels bluegrass and acoustic blooze/roots stuff--the L.A. Turnaround is a decent slice of country-rock but perhaps not him in his most congenial surroundings, and produced by Mike Nesmith with the great Red Rhodes on pedal steel. Speaking of bluegrass, Roland White's I Wasn't Born to Rock 'n' Roll, recently reissued by Tompkins Square, is an uncommonly relaxed and listenable straight bluegrass record from mid '70s.

ebbjunior, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 05:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Hey Edd! (At least I assume you're Edd...) Glad you're okay, and glad you're back, even if we don't see eye to eye about what counts as powerpop. Hope it didn't seem like I was underplaying Nashville's storm damage; didn't mean to. Just thought Michael W. Smith's claim that Katrina got New Orleans more national attention mainly because of all the "looters" was totally offensive bullshit, especially coming from a Christian pop star. Fairly obvious what "looters" there is code for.

I played the new Paul Thorn album a couple times, and nah, it didn't do anything for me, either. Just don't think he's got a compelling voice, at all. (Can say the same for his fellow onetime songwriter for Toby Keith, Fred Eaglesmith, whose new album shot maybe even more of a blank for me.) But the one time I saw Thorn live in NYC, he was indeed fun.

Curious what you think about some of the classic country folks I discuss upthread -- Hank Thompson, Statler Brothers, Buck Owens, etc. Still feeling that Owens's sad-sack schtick is way more limited than he's usually given credit for -- seems odd that the Buckaroos' fast instrumental cuts so often wind up being some of my favorites on his LPs -- but I did wind up liking the 50 cent copy of 1965's Before You Go/No One But You I picked up OK. He even covers the Coasters.

I'll have some more to say about Mother Truckers one of these days -- George is right that they're much better when Teal sings, but I might like the guy's singing at least a little more than George does. Their albums are pretty spotty, either way. Not so sure that their fans are mostly college kids, as George suggests -- do college kids even like bar band roots rock anymore? -- but then, George seems to have watched more live youtube clips than I have. (That usually takes me a while.)

Wrote a bunch about Flynnville Train's new album on Rolling Hard Rock. Normally I'd just post a permalink, but it's spread over a bunch of posts, so for user-friendly reasons I'll just cut and paste instead:

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 July 2010 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link

Hardest rocking new track I've heard so far in 2010, I think, might be Flynnville Train's cover of "Sandman" by America, a song I never even liked before. A country band, allegedly, but country in the Kentucky Headhunters sense, and this cut's as loud as that band's "Big Boss Man," at least. Total guitar jam. Rest of the new album is growing on me, but I don't think anything else gets this heavy. (On Evolution Records, whatever that is -- their debut, which made my top 10 a couple years ago, was on Toby Keith's label Show Dog.) Here's their myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/flynnvilletrain

― xhuxk, Monday, 28 June 2010 03:38

Turns out the other 9-or-10 out of 10 track on Flynnville Train's Redemption, besides their America cover, is "Friend Of Sinners," about asking Christ's forgiveness since you've fucked up all the commandments. Might sound cheesy on paper, but a big part of what makes those two cuts rock the hardest is their use of space and quiet to let the rhythm and lead guitars build over the monster drums. They're also the two darkest and most menacing (and maybe the longest -- haven't checked) cuts on the CD. Rest of the album comes as close to Skynyrd as any contemporary country I've heard, with subliminal rockabilly and Chuck Berry parts and really good songwriting; "Preachin' To The Choir" and "On Our Way" (which says the band got their start back in '83 -- not sure if that's to be taken literally or not) being two of the higher highlights. "Turn Left" is the NASCAR song; "Scratch Me When I'm Itchin'" the horndog song; "Alright" the one that sounds like Dave Edmunds in Rockpile; "The One You Love" the token ladies' choice, and at first I thought they mushed out, but its guitars are really purty.

― xhuxk, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 01:37

And eh...forget I mentioned Skynyrd in re: Flynnville Train. Dumb comparison. Skynyrd had more than rockabilly and Chuck Berry going for them anyway -- for one thing, they were a lot funkier. And Flynnville seem much more inclined to be pandering (sometimes in the usual modern Nashville ways) as songwriters, and also (unlike Skynyrd) they're not geniuses. Guess I just mean that, like with the best Headhunters stuff, you can really tell you're hearing a seasoned, self-contained band, who know how to work and rock as a unit. Which, with Nashville still using session musicians no matter how loud it gets, remains a rarity. The guitars do sometimes sound kind of Skynyrdy, though.

― xhuxk, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 02:55

...and they still do have a more swinging rhythm section than say Drive By Truckers (or Neil Young, for that matter -- can't think of when he's rocked as hard as Flynnville's "Sandman," which is neat since I've always figured America as the wimp version of Neil in the first place. Still have no idea what the lyrics are supposed to be about, though.)

― xhuxk, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:44

You may not believe this but I saw more than one high school band turn "Sandman" into a fuzztone proto-metal dirge around '70-'72. It was basically a simple dirge all along, so you could hammer the shit out of it. Which may or may not be what Flynnville does but thought I'd mention it. There was precedent.

― Gorge, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 12:26 AM

a fuzztone proto-metal dirge around '70-'72. It was basically a simple dirge all along, so you could hammer the shit out of it. Which may or may not be what Flynnville does

It's pretty close! Dirge into raveup, maybe. Wonder if any amateur versions like that from 40 years were actually recorded; if not, it's crazy that it took so long.

― xhuxk, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 15:30

Starts here (and if anybody's interested, there's talk of Styx, Strawbs, Gaslight Anthem, Savoy Brown, Pat Travers, etc. mixed in):

Rolling Past Expiry Hard Rock 2010

Also, Single Jukebox reviews of Carrie Underwood's "Undo It":

http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=2458

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 July 2010 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, it is indeed me. I somehow lost my old ilx identity and had to get a new 'un...kind of my tip o' the Hatlo hat to Green Acres...and yeah, had to give you some shit on power pop, Chuck, just funnin' around...feeling good these days, healthier. Been a hell of a year or so...

Buck Owens I really like in small doses, the Don Rich stuff I mean. Someone told me there's a new Buck bio out--maybe it was Yuval Taylor--and apparently, wow, he was one mean son-of-a-bitch. But yep, the uptempos are the only good things.

As for the Statlers--wow again, that is some fucked-up shit. White message sacred music with some very scared moments of nostalgia/tortured liberalism...the CoMuHall of Fame did a thing on them recently and no one from the Statlers would talk to me (Ray Stevens even took my call!), but I wrote this for the Scene on 'em:

Statler Brothers Interview
When: Thu., June 3, 12 p.m. 2010
Many country artists worked the society-is-hypocrisy angle in the '60s and '70s, but The Statler Brothers made music that was concerned with how middle-class Americans thought about class, aspiration and history. A onetime gospel group from Virginia, The Statler Brothers first hit with 1965's “Flowers on the Wall" and went on to record such classics as “Whatever Happened to Randolph Scott." Their harmonies were gospel, but their songs married comedy, folk and country to the era's socially conscious pop. On 1970's “New York City," they narrated the tale of a woman who is shamed into having her illegitimate child in an unfriendly metropolis, while the incredible “Junkie's Prayer" added gospel changes to a sordid tale. In short, they're one of country's oddest and most interesting groups. Today's interview session and CoMu's new Statlers exhibit ought to shine some light on the matter.
— Edd Hurt

ebbjunior, Thursday, 1 July 2010 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Fred Eaglesmith! I gotta listen to that new one. I admit, Christgau did a review of one of them...what's the name of it?...and got me into Fred. Pretty interesting cat.

Deaths: Larry Jon Wilson died. I am a fan of his "New Beginnings" LP on Monument, '75, but don't like the one he did on Drag City a couple years ago as much. As far as basso Georgia profundo voices go and rampant regionalism and everything, he's great...also on some of those "Country Got Soul" comps. He had played the Bluebird here and foolishly I didn't see him. Also, speaking of power pop, Tommy Hoehn died, he worked with Chilton and Van Duren in Memphis and had one great cut far as I could tell, included on one of those American Power Pop comps, "Blow Yourself Up." Well, kinda great.

So here's me on Ray Stevens. I got on a Nilsson kick earlier this year--I don't think anyone in pop was better than Nilsson at his best, actually--but I stand by my comparison; the Stevens record I mention is the one to get if you get just one...

Nashville Cats feat. Ray Stevens
When: Sat., April 24, 1:30 p.m. 2010
You could describe Ray Stevens’ classic ’60s and ’70s work as Randy Newman or Harry Nilsson for suburbanites, but Stevens took the novelty song places those artists could only dream of. A Georgia native who cut his teeth as an A&R man for Mercury Records in the early ’60s, Stevens is a schooled musician who — much like Newman — has a genius for arranging. Working in Nashville, he scored big ’60s hits such as “Ahab the Arab” and “Gitarzan.” His 1968 Even Stevens remains a minor classic of unpretentious social commentary, with “Mr. Businessman” and the amazing “Say Cheese” sounding like lighter, less austere variations on Nilsson’s lost-in-the-city fantasias. He continued to score in the ’70s with “Everything Is Beautiful” and another great novelty tune, “The Streak.” Stevens remains topical: His new full-length We the People includes a Sarah Palin tribute, “Caribou Barbie.”
— Edd Hurt

ebbjunior, Thursday, 1 July 2010 04:53 (thirteen years ago) link

oh yeah, Eaglesmith's "Ralph's Last Show."

Tom Russell, he was mentioned above? He did a show here with Gretchen Peters, they did a record together all about the Wild West. Anyway, that was OK, Peters is might genteel, but Russell's last record, "Blood and Candle Smoke," is a Kamp Klassic. I can't play the thing, I laugh so hard I feel like I'm moving around a kidney stone or something. in fact, here's my American Songwriter review of it, they won't care, they done paid me my $10 for it:

TOM RUSSELL
Blood and Candle Smoke
(SHOUT! FACTORY)
Rating: ★★★★☆

Listeners with a sense of the unintentionally hysterical are in for a treat with Tom Russell’s Blood and Candle Smoke. Calexico backs him in a garish neo-Marty Robbins mode, with lots of south-of-the-border trumpet embellishing Russell’s narratives. What’s fascinating about Candle Smoke is Russell’s obvious passion for his great, big, sentimental continent, from Indiana to Texarkana—every line he delivers screams a kind of virile campiness that he probably didn’t intend. Candle Smoke is a noble experiment and, quite simply, a hoot—Richard Harris is smiling and singing “MacArthur Park” in heaven. Russell conflates Dory Previn and Graham Greene in the record’s opener, while “Criminology” is set in Nigeria and mentions Picasso. “All that real estate and pride/All those Indians that died /While the Spanish priests/Danced the drunk fandango,” he moans in “Santa Ana Wind.” It’s a funny, funny record, and you may just love it.

ebbjunior, Thursday, 1 July 2010 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Ha ha, I might actually even check that Tom Russell album out. Though I'm pretty sure I'd still put him in the Paul Thorn/Fred Eaglesmith category of "more likeable when actual singers are singing his songs."

Somebody started a thread about Ray Stevens here not too long ago. I've only skimmed it myself, though he does seem like a bit of a wingnut now:

Remember when Ray Stevens was on dr. demento and the streak was vaguely funny? Well, now he is shilling himself on Fox News during the glen beck show between vaccum cleaner ads and hannity bullshit.

So Edd, do you have any thoughts about Don Williams (discussed upstream, too)?

is this a good country song? is this a country song?

Definitely country, and yeah, I like the song, too. And the girl is a strong singer. That nerdy guy with her seems weak, though -- at least here. And I hope if/when she records it, she speeds it up some. Does get me curious about Cary Ann Hearst's other stuff. Here's her myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/caryannhearst

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 July 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Most girl empowerment tunes make me flinch but I just got around to hearing McBride's "Wrong Baby Wrong," mostly liking it for the Keith Richards-type riff underwriting it. Plus the ringing guitars in the ascending change-ups. Anyway, I'm assuming it's old news now and the album
flopped? Because if the rest of the album is a bit commensurate with that tune, then I'd probably like it. But if not, no.

Gorge, Thursday, 1 July 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Frank (who put the album in his top 10 last year, and so has probably listened to it more than I have) can correct me if I'm wrong (baby wrong), but I don't think there's anything else along the Stones-guitared lines of that song on Shine. I might like "Wild Rebel Rose" -- which lyrically is basically her "Janie's Got A Gun," except better -- even more than the single. The rest didn't click much for me.

Btw, George mentioned Alejandro Escovedo's new album on Rolling Hard Rock, rightly making fun of rock critics' predictable fauning over it this week. In Austin especially -- the Statesman gave the record an "A," par for the course down here -- he was all over best-Austin-albums-of-the-decades-lists in January. Truth is, it's a really dull record, and I say that as somebody who at least found Real Animal two years ago catchy enough to hang onto. (The only Escovedo album I've ever been able to say that about.) I'm not supposed to slag records at the venue where I reviewed the new one, but I hope that what I did write sounds backhanded enough that people might get the point:

http://www.rhapsody.com/alejandro-escovedo/street-songs-of-love#albumreview

Actually, turns out the Bowery song, according to the Statesman piece, isn't supposed to be about a woman at all, but inspired by his angry, graffiti-loving punk teenage son. Which might be interesting, if there had been even a single clue in the lyrics that that's the case.

Something longer I wrote about his last one, fwiw:

http://blog.rhapsody.com/2008/08/alejandro-escovedo-has-a-good-time-but-gets-out-alive.html

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 July 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Just went over to Rhapsody which gives me 20-something free listens every few months as
enticement.

The Escovedo album -- I guess it sounds like rocking to people who don't like rocking much at
all. I gave the first tune, "Anchor," the most time and it reminded me of a very
poor man's Bruce, just like Southside Johnny or Nils Lofgren solo album(s) around Cry Tough or after he joined the E-Street Band.

His voice isn't good enough to support the almost non-existent hooks in the music. Tony Visconti produced Bolan and left when Bolan stopped writing catchy stuff. Here he's slumming.

Some of things sound neo-tough because he pumps them up with quiet-loud-quiet-loud drama. "Street Songs" is one good example, which would be something a fan of Lou Reed might produce.

The only other thing that grabbed me a little was "Tender Heart" -- but it's really still just warmed over Asbury Park. I understand Austin has to root for him but -- y'know -- the new Foghat 2.0 album is better roots rock.

And so is Martina McBride's "Wrong Baby Wrong." Your comment on "Wild Rebel Rose" keeps me thinking about investigating further.

I have to thank Rhapsody. The charity listens convinced me I was right when I disparaged the idea of it after reading Kot's tribune review in the LA Times.

Gorge, Thursday, 1 July 2010 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Re Escovedo, or maybe desultory stuff from Graham Parker. Who's every album always seemed to invariably generate more huzzahs than they were worth when you finally got them home and out of the shrinkwrap.

Gorge, Thursday, 1 July 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link

After Squeezing Out Sparks, Parker was basically useless, at least as far as stuff I've actually heard goes. Before that, he was usually a lot spottier than critics at the time gave him credit for. Anyway, I did some excavating in the past year, starting about here:

Graham Parker C/D

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 July 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link

wrote something about Dierks B. recently--I thought his bluegrass record was mainly a load of shit, just because the songs were such Music Row hackdom and phoned in....one blues by Suzi Ragsdale or someone like that (writer) was kinda good

That'd be "Bad Angel," I guess, the track with Miranda Lambert and Jamey Johnson on it -- and, to my ears, one of the duller tracks on what I wound up thinking was a pretty good record. Was skeptical at first, and said so here (bluegrass move -- who cares), but wound up thinking otherwise. (Linked my Rhapsody review up above.) Definitely prefer most of the Jon Randall co-writes to "Bad Angel." And I don't see how all the death and gambling and drug references are typical 2010 Nashville, either (nor is covering U2 and Dylan, both of which I think came out okay.) Favorites are probably "You're Dead To Me" and "Down In The Mine," though it'd take another listen to it to make sure. At any rate, I'd now rate it Dierks's second or third best album, I think.

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 July 2010 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link

The album that I do think is really really disappointing, after a couple listens, is the new Little Big Town album (out Aug 24.) First single "Little White Church" still sounds pretty great, but I'm not hearing anything else yet that even comes close -- and I liked both of their last two albums a lot. Maybe the novelty of being a Fleetwood Mac without the songwriting skills or Stevie Nick's singing or Lindsey Buckingham's guitar (couldn't they hire Urban or Paisley or somebody to pull that off once in a while?) is starting to wear thin, but I honestly think they may just have run out of songs, for the time being.

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 July 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link

It's in the last quarter of the CMT Top 20 Countdown either just above or below
"Wrong Baby Wrong." I liked it but it's not spectacular. The entire 20 is pretty lackluster
except for Kellie Pickler's "Makin' Me Fall In Love Again," which is jaunty but not really
country. Neither is Underwood's "Undo It" which is #1. That's arena rock lite.

When Nickelback's "This Afternoon" sounds good in the context of most of them, it's a slow
month.

Two songs on water, Luke Bryan's "Rain is a Good Thing" which has gotta have the worst lyrics I've heard in a long time. Cracked out the rhyming dictionary for whiskey and frisky for that slice of retard rock. And Paisley's thing.

Gorge, Friday, 2 July 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Off thread story, I never listen to Nickelback and I'd e-mailed xhuxk last year trying to identify a song I thought was by some overwraught-sounding girl pop singer because a psychotic guy who lives near me was playing the same chorus of it over and over until the apartment super pulled the power on him.

Turned out it was Nickelback's "I'm Never Gonna Be Alone," which is from the same two year old album as "This Afternoon."

That song is psychotic guy's favorite and it now inspires, figuratively speaking, blinding
headaches in the rest of us who live in his vicinity in a courtyard arrangement. One of the reasons I profoundly detest Nickelback.

Gorge, Friday, 2 July 2010 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Maybe the novelty of being a Fleetwood Mac without the songwriting skills or Stevie Nick's singing or Lindsey Buckingham's guitar (couldn't they hire Urban or Paisley or somebody to pull that off once in a while?) is starting to wear thin

I bet they're really tired of hearing this and now of mixed opinion on whether being so closely described as a redo of Fleetwood Mac helped or hurt. In the short term, yes. In the long term, no.

And the Crossroads segment linking them with Lindsey Buckingham -- I dunno. Tom Petty always
had the best of that deal with Stevie Nicks.

Anyway, "Little White Church" sounds great but a trifle rote. And they aren't really much like
soCali Fleetwood Mac, not at all on that tune. They don't, for instance, have a husky
singer like Christine McVie. And they don't have a weirdo on guitar(s) like Lindsay
Buckingham, who's greatest licks were in "Go Your Own Way" and that's about it. Live he was
still playin' Peter Green's "Oh Well" at every show, just like Bob Welch had to. Has anyone ever actually bought a Lindsay Buckingham solo album?

So not having Lindsay Buckingham on guitar is not actually a handicap in my book, although the Buckingham-Nicks songwriting pair was great for two albums.

couldn't they hire Urban or Paisley or somebody to pull that off once in a while?)

Well -- no, because Buckingham really never had any licks except the one I mentioned that people gave a shit about. So two songs, one which is folk, "Gold Dust Woman."

And -- yeah, someone who could pull off Paisley's hack Fender Esquire/Tele into a Vox thing with
a Way Huge Aquapuss delay box (it's all over every one of his last four albums) would fit into a few of their things. But Paisley got into using his signature as a money shot and equivalent of a tire squeal/smokey burnout. It often does not add to his songs at all. It just tells you, yeah -- it;s Brad Paisley on guitar. You can't have helped but notice that his second most heard song, or maybe first, "Welcome to the Future," owes everything to Mike Campbell in its best parts, a guitar player who has many signature licks, but not one single trademark he places in every Heartbreakers number.

I think Paisley's high tide was on "Alcohol" which, to me, is conspicuous for the absence for the seasoning he put onto all his later tunes.

And he always does a melodic rhythmic thing with a sequencer -- not gonna bore you with what the device is -- once on every album and that usually works for me.

Gorge, Friday, 2 July 2010 04:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Paisley's best contribution is his Tele twang when he's doing rhythm and riffs. It's literally perfect.

So if that fits the music, yeah he's great. And now he's proved he can do the big jangle, too, which is always popular.

Gorge, Friday, 2 July 2010 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link

If I were Little Big Town, though, I'd stick with the unknown hacks or Mike Landau. Someone who you could tell "make it sound like [fill in the blank]" with the former, or make it explode into lyrical and dramatic arena rock, like the latter.

Gorge, Friday, 2 July 2010 04:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Downloaded McBride's Shine from Amazon last night minus a couple tunes I'd sampled and thought were unneccessary. I like it. "Ride" is second to the lead-off cut in interest. I vaguely remember a video for it, or hearing it somewhere, so apparently it didn't catch on as much as "Wrong Baby Wrong."

She made a Pat Benatar-like record, with a much lighter touch and without the blazing axe of Giraldo and the attack it brings. Fine by me for the tunes.

Didn't know "Wrong Baby Wrong" was written by Robert Ellis Orall, a name I've heard for years but for which I still can't conjure up a picture.

Gorge, Friday, 2 July 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Dierks' bluegrass thing: gamblin' and death are essential Nashville tropes from way back. I wrote something about the record and said the Dylan and U2 covers were honorable enough, far as it goes; and the whole point of Dierks is his road-dog liberal persona--an example of Nashville outreach. Which is also why he made a bluegrass record when the biggest thing around right now IS bluegrass, roots, gypsy fuckin' swing and all the rest. No matter how hard I try, and I do appreciate a lot of bluegrass, love the Stanley Brothers, and even like Ricky Skaggs' band despite Skaggs' know-nothing politics (he has some great hair, too), I can't get with bluegrass' formalism--its cleanliness--for more than about 15 minutes at a pop. Clarence White is perhaps an exception. I went back and listened to Dierks again and the songs are just about nothing--the Dylan isn't, sure--unless you think "goin' up on the ridge" to fuck your girl away from Society is an idea or "achin'" and "heartbreakin'" is a good rhyme, I don't. Or songs about being a "roving gambler." Pure formalism, and sure, there's some fine pickin' in all of it, what Nashville record doesn't have it? And altho I'm not a bluegrasser, I do appreciate stuff like Cadillac Sky a lot--at least song structures are fucked with, solos are edited, and so forth--someone's thinking, but I hear the Dierks as another release from Capitol Nashville, plug in bluegrass formula and collect songs. Enjoyable enough as a diversion but content nil, and the reason I like the blues is that it gives the concept some room to breathe. Dierks is a singles artist--I think his early singles are fairly great but his albums-as-albums are tedious, plus he's a marginal singer at best. I hear more soul in Dave Matthews. The only difference between Dierks and something even less interesting--like the L.A. quintet Rose's Pawn Shop, who are coming to Nashville next week and playing the 45-capacity venue the Basement while Dierks is filling up the stadia--is the marketing clout of Capitol Records. No discernible diff in singing, of course the big-name pickers on Dierks' record are better, but the concept is the same--country rock with banjos and fiddles. For me, "Up on the Ridge" is just fatally simple-minded. I'm sure he fucked her up on the ridge and smoked some very good weed, or is that the other way around, and her daddy never caught on, he's such a nice young man.

Chuck asked about Don Williams. I suppose I like him all right, but never really attended to him beyond the hits. Very lulling singer.

Escovedo isn't as good in my book as Chuck Prophet, with whom Alejandro has worked. And I'm aware that Prophet is kind of a third-hand artiste too, being a typical Chiltonian in the American weirdo vein. But Chuck seems mostly light-hearted even when he's trying hard, whereas Escovedo seems overwrought almost always. For me, the voice just doesn't justify the production or the pretensions, but many people think he's great.

ebbjunior, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link

"Lulling" is a perfect description for Don Williams' voice. "If Hollywood Don't Need You (Honey, I Still Do)" is the most interesting of his hits, though it seems like "You Believed in Me" and "Lord I Hope This Day Is Good" are the only singles of his with any recurrent presence, at least on the local classic country station.

Escovedo is fine enough at what he does-- the lack of hooks has always been a problem-- but I agree that Prophet is better in filling that niche. Todd Snider is too hit or miss and is usually too pleased with himself when he hits. For my money, Fred Eaglesmith has the most distinct point of view and most interesting songcraft of that particular demo.

I've cooled somewhat on the LBT record since my initial recommendation upthread, though it's still a sight better than Lady Antebellum or, say, Chatham County Line.

jon_oh, Saturday, 3 July 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Okay, I clearly need to regroup and recalibrate my Dierks defense. Will hold off on that for now. Again; think it's a good album, not a great one. (And I have tended to find him effective or better as a singer.)

Have never gotten Chuck Prophet, fwiw (at least not his own albums, only two of which I've heard, I believe, and it's possible I didn't give them the time they deserved -- pretty sure he's shown up in the credits of other people's albums that I like more.) (Whose? I dunno.)

Best new country song I heard on the radio this weekend, driving to visit wife's relatives in the east Texas woods and back: Don't think there was one. Best old country song I heard that I didn't know: "CC Waterback," which is apparently by George Jones and Merle Haggard, from 1982. Best Regional Mexican song: something with a chorus that seemed to go "aqui hay amor," which google seems to attribute to either Take That (fairly positive it wasn't them) or a song called "Mi Niña Bonita" by an apparent Venezuelan reggaeton duo called Chio and Nacho, but I'm pretty sure the song I heard had nothing to do with reggaeton, either -- unless reggaeton has changed a lot since I lived in Queens.

Notes on the new Mother Truckers album: "Alien Girl" has a T. Rex riff; "Break-Up Sex" sounds kind of like the Faces; "Keep It Simple" seems to be an attempt at a neo-soul ballad (and it's fine, but I still don't get why anybody would consider it the best track on the album); "Size Of The Sun" reminds me of Meat Puppets in Grateful Dead mode; "Summer Of Love" is an obvious ZZ Top move and simulateneously the most metal and most county song on the album; "Van Tour" is sort of a post-Replacements college rock novelty thing (about being a small time road band, obviously -- a country band, actually) but I like it anyway. Would like it more if Teal Collins sang it rather than her husband Josh Zee. Like George says (and Josh apparently admits), the guy can't sing as good as he plays guitar. His plain voice reminds me of somebody specific in the post-Westerberg college nerd rock realm, but I can't place who -- Dave Pirner, maybe? Probably not, but somebody like that. Album as a whole is vaguely Stonesish, guitar and rhythmwise.

xhuxk, Monday, 5 July 2010 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link

"county" = "country", obv.

Mother Truckers also seem to hint at times at doing the John & Exene/Richard & Linda/Womack & Womack/Ashford & Simpson marriage rock "thing," I think, but not as much as I wish they did.

xhuxk, Monday, 5 July 2010 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link

I really liked Chuck Prophet's Dreaming Waylon's Dream (s?), brought out the spring in Waylon's musical dream, and the rock, though not as heavy as Waylon's collaboration with teenage garage prodigy Shooter--this is the real beardo country power pop. Also a good Austin City Limits several years before that. Never heard enough Green On Red to remember how he was with them; how was he? Hey xhuxk, dug your Rhapsody blog Fourth of July list (and the chance to hear all those firecracker songs back to back). I also like, "I remember the Fourth of July/Runnin' through the backwoods bare--Bawwn on the Baahhhyoo" and maybe Van's "Almost Independence Day", but I don't remember it well enough (early-ish 70s, so I'm guessing either festive or boo-hoo ironic)

dow, Monday, 5 July 2010 06:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh, and thanks for Dreaming Waylon's, Ebb! (Made my Top Ten)

dow, Monday, 5 July 2010 07:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Huh, I actually thought my 4th of July thing (especially the intro graph) was fairly perfunctory and uninspired (partly because Rhapspody turns out not to carry Van's 4th song, of either of Springsteen's early ones -- didn't think about "Saturday in the Park" by Chicago 'til too late, and yeah, that Creedence one would've been good had it occured to me), but here's a link if anybody still cares. (Also still clueless about whether most people celebrated the 4th this year on Saturday the 3rd, Sunday the 4th, or when, or if everybody gets Monday off work):

http://blog.rhapsody.com/2010/06/july4.html

And as for new country songs on the radio, I just remembered I heard James Wesley's "Real," which, on one listen, I thought wasn't bad. (Had liked his low-charting "Jackson Hole" earlier this year; seems like somebody to maybe keep an eye on.) Thought Billy Currington's new song about being good at drinking beer wasn't absolutely horrible, despite the repeated Bud Light product placement, but I was more interested to learn that he considers his biggest musical influence Kenny Rogers.

Turns out Chico (oops) and Nacho's "Mi Niña Bonita" is in fact #6 on the Latin Songs chart this week, and nowhere on the Regional Mexican chart -- still need to check it and find out if that's the one I liked.

xhuxk, Monday, 5 July 2010 09:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Meant "or" not "of either of Springteen's..." (which would be "4th Of July, Asbury Park /Sandy/" and his own "Independence Day," fwiw.)

Bottom of Billboard's country songs chart this week. No idea who the first two are. Wonder if Nickelback's jealous the third one made it.

58 NEW 1 Not That Far Away, Jennette McCurdy
P.Worley (B.Daly,R.Proctor,J.McCurdy )
Capitol Nashville DIGITAL | 58
59 NEW 1 Makes Me Go (La La), Williams Riley
N.Golden,D.George (D.George,B.Allmand,D.Myrick )
Golden Nashville DIGITAL | Nine North | 59
60 NEW 1 Hey, Soul Sister, Train 2
M.Terefe,Espionage,G.Wattenberg (P.Monahan,E.Lind,A.Bjorklund )
Columbia BNA | 60

xhuxk, Monday, 5 July 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link

we celebrated last nite up in extreme nw Davidson County--grillin' some mighty fine chops and sausage and corn-in-the-shuck. happy holidays!

I think part of my problem with Dierks' record, going back to that, is that I think bluegrass/acoustic/"roots" is and has been a dominant mode in country for a decade...shaggy folk music being part of that equation. I also think it's easy for me and perhaps some other folks to underestimate the crafty way Nashville appropriates "liberalism" in the service of its outreach program, as per Dierks and Dylan and U2. But you know, it's always been good at that kind of outreach. I also am aware that thinking about country requires one to accept them old tropes and conceits, as on the Dierks record. I also think the Zac Brown Band is very important indeed in what I hear as a definitively post-jam band approach to country that Dierks seems to embrace...? Zat seem true?

Todd Snider is mentioned above. I have to say that he does whatever it is wry stoned troubadours do, very well indeed; and I with my admittedly cynical view on such things and the pop-folk readymades those sentiments of dodgin' the law and so forth are expressed in, have to say I think "East Nashville Skyline" is one fine record indeed, and his last one, with Don Was (same dude who produced Elizabeth Cook) is a bit more domesticated and therefore less interesting to me, but still wry, stoned...he could be in Brooklyn but he is here in good old Nashville with its severely underestimated housing stock and proximity to Kitty Wells Blvd. (real street in Madison, Tenn., just east of East Nashville) and should make an album with the Silver Jews' David Berman if he had any sense.

Got a pile of records to go thru, including the new Marty Stuart, Joe Diffie, and this Jerod dude...

ebbjunior, Monday, 5 July 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Probably didn't make myself totally clear above on Dierks--his publicists here really pushed the bluegrass-fusion angle to us. It is a good and commercial concept, and I got the idea that his people were concerned that mixing bluegrass and country would be a tough sell. Whereas I thought and think it's no big deal--totally commercial. I'd be real interested to peek into some CD collections in trucks and homes all over the heartland of America and see how many country fans have bluegrass records stuck into the side doors of their vehicles. Krauss for sure, but Nickel Creek and all that, would the average country fan be into that? Or Dailey and Vincent? Stuff on Rounder in general?

ebbjunior, Monday, 5 July 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link

and have to mention that I was hanging with a friend the other day, this person is not a country fan too much. "You like George Jones?" he asked. Sure. So he pulls out an original 12" of the infamous "Ya Ba Da Ba Do" cut off "One Woman Man" from '88 or so, the song about Elvis and Fred Flintstone. With a picture of George and drawings of F.f. and E.P. This is a fairly rare little item. Had THREE copies of it and gave me one. That's like one of my favorite songs ever. (Went on a big Jones kick this winter/spring, borrowed a bunch of Jones stuff including the Bear Family Musicor box, one of them, anyway) and some other things, and made about 4 discs of prime Jones, mid '60s. "Where Grass Don't Grow" and "Small Town Laboring Man" and others, his best period.

But "The King Is Dead"--they don't write 'em like that no more.

ebbjunior, Monday, 5 July 2010 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link

xp Maybe. Thing is, I'm mostly a bluegrass hater myself. I like some of Ricky Skaggs's '80s sellout stuff, and I like an LP by the Whites if that counts (wrote about both of those upthread somewhere), thought one Greencards CD a couple years ago was tolerable, own one 18-song Rhino CD of classics (Appalachian Stomp), but generally I have very little use for the style. So I basically expected the Bentley album to be an absolute snooze. Turned out, though, to be not really all that bluegrass -- it was just a bunch of good tunes, a decent Nashville county album that managed to stretch boundaries a little bit here and there, and yeah, when I head it, Skaggs's best old albums came to mind. If it had been as bluegrass as hyped, pretty sure I would've liked it less. (And right, Dierks is a guy who was more or less mixing bluegrass into his pop country all along, give or take his previous album which I really didn't like much, so what was the big deal? Press release didn't seem to even be able to decide whether the new record was a departure or not. Not sure I can, either.) But yeah, I also definitely made the Zac Brown connection in my head: Hasn't Bentley been booked on summer rock festival bills, like Lollapalooza? And he obviously has no qualms singing about marijuana these days. So "post-jam band" sounds about right. Except jam bands, like bluegrass, usually aren't half so tuneful.

xhuxk, Monday, 5 July 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link

"County" for "country" again! Same typo, third time in 12 hours -- if you count the Skatt Bros discussion linked below, relevant here partly since it features shirtless cowboys. (Also "head" for "heard," oh well.)

Rolling Past Expiry Hard Rock 2010

Btw, been thinking about what George said above about Little Big Town being perceived as a mini-Fleetwood Mac probably not being the best long-term marketing plan, and it makes sense; actually, my wife had made a similar point to me, when we were listening to the new album in the car and I was complaining about it. ("Maybe they don't want to be Fleetwood Mac.") Truth is, only a couple songs on the new album clearly fit the Mac template anyway. Just wish those, and the others, were better (though who knows, maybe a few will grow up me over time.)

xhuxk, Monday, 5 July 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Lady Antebellum's "Stars Tonite" went into the CMT Top 20 and seems to have quickly passed
LBT's "Little White Church." It's more arena rock with a big hook and power chords driving it.

Gorge, Monday, 5 July 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link

One of the papers I write for asked me to do a little tour-preview blurb thing on Brad Paisley, so I checked out four albums - Mud On The Tires, Time Well Wasted, 5th Gear and American Saturday Night - and now I'm kind of a fan. This is the most suburban country music I've ever heard - it's like he wrote these songs for dads in khaki shorts to listen to while mowing the lawn on weekends. I mean, he sings about working at a mall food court as a teenager! I think he's the country equivalent of David Brooks. Plus, I like his voice and his guitar playing. I can easily see myself listening to this stuff again, even though the piece is already finished and submitted.

Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Monday, 5 July 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link

I still think "Alcohol's" his high point, although I liked Fifth Gear a bit more than Tine Well Wasted for awhile. Don't anymore. I appreciate the craftiness that went into American Saturday Night but everyone here knows I think his pandering and joy of consumer electronics shtick went over the top on it. Probably why I don't like "On-line" much either. "Ticks" and "All I Wanted Was a Car" are repeats, though.

I definitely see the lasting appeal to the umc 4th of July meathead, though, who ae currently making the video for "Water" hot on CMT.

Gorge, Monday, 5 July 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, some minus points for Paisley's bonus track pushing of Little Jimmy Dickens. Who's old stuff I found virtually intolerable when curiosity finally drove me to find it.

Gorge, Monday, 5 July 2010 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link

"concerned that mixing bluegrass and country would be a tough sell"--so the Dixie Chicks reportedly had to fight for the right to banjo and fiddle on major label releases, but sold ninety verzullion of those. The suits may have thought of that, which is why they let him do it, or decided it was cheaper to keep him by indulging him, albeit with some doubts trickling down to the publicists. Will it be controversial for some, like Alan Jackson's primal country onslaught unmanned by Alison Krauss's misty mountain hippie changeling wiles?

dow, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link

So today I subjected Dierks's suddenly controversial new album to the all-important car test, which I probably should have done before, and I decided that Edd's probably more right about it than I thought. Still like a lot of it, but even most of the songs I like do sound more pat than I'd figured, where songwriting and arrangements are concerned -- that's definitely the case with shorter, more upbeat tunes like "Rovin' Gambler," "Foolin' Around," and "Love Grows Wild" (cleverest and catchiest of those three.) And the album actually is a bit more bluegrass than his earlier ones, and hence more polite than it should be, maybe partly because Dierks is such a laid back guy he's not going to exert much effort fighting against the genre's grain (assuming that makes any sense.) "Draw Me A Map" and "You're Dead to Me" (which I still say has a fairly canny revenge lyric) could definitely use more energy, and I don't think I even realized "Bad Angel" (the one with Miranda and Jamey) was supposed to be a blues until Edd called it that; it obviously is one, both structurally and because it's about evil influences at the crossroads, but Dierks doesn't seem capable of getting much blues feel into his singing. Most blatantly bluegrass arrangements, almost a little ornate in spots, are the three tracks with the Punch Brothers -- namely, the two covers and "Rovin' Gambler." And I guess it's possible that I could overrate his version of "Señor," seeing how I've never knowingly heard Street Legal. Two best tracks, perversely, seem to be saved for the very end of the record --"Bottle To The Bottom," a well-written and appropriately coming-down- melodied down-and-outer courtesy Kristofferson, has what's probably Dierk's toughest singing here; the voice has real gravity to it. So too bad Kristofferson eventually chimes in too, and he sings like a guy with a tracheotomy (was always a bad singer, just keeps getting worse) and he's downright painful to listen to. "Dark As a Dungeon"-styled dirge "Down In The Mine" is the album closer and the best song, as far as I'm concerned, and apparently unlike Edd I really think the verse about the hardscrabble boondock economic quandary of either manufacturing drugs or shoveling coal and your own grave is something that's never been sung about much; it'd be better (and darker) if the drug was crystal meth (and I don't think I'm saying that just because I've been reading Nick Reding's Methland: The Death And Life Of An American Small Town -- about Oelwein, Iowa -- and Netflixing Breaking Bad). But Bentley still gets good quivering melody out of "you can grow marijuana way back in the pines/or work for the man down in the mines," so I really don't mind so much. Also possible I'd think less of the record if I listened to more bluegrass in general; hard to say. As is, I keep wishing the speedier, borderline old-timey gambling and fooling-around reels had a fraction of the musical and lyrical wit of something off, say, Have Moicy!. But I still like the album okay -- on par with Josh Turner and Gary Allan's 2010 albums, a marginal keeper, not that I'd recommend folks actually buy the thing.

Turns out the Latin song I heard and liked on the car radio over the weekend was in fact Chino (spelled it right this time!) and Nacho's "Mi Niña Bonita" -- so, nothing to do with Regional Mexican. Still thought I detected something country in its sound, which is not a feeling I've gotten from reggaeton before. But maybe it was just where I was driving.

And yeah, Dixie Chicks another "bluegrass-ish stuff I like" exception.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link

My favorite Paisley ballad is on 5th Gear: "If Love Was a Plane."

Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link

New Reba McEntire single, "Turn On Your Radio," which shipped to radio today.

Offhand, it's the first country single I can recall that specifically name-checks Twitter (and there's also a reference to texting), and it sounds like a Carrie Underwood cast-off.

It's heresy in most country circles, but I've never been all that big on Reba outside of a handful of isolated singles (see also: Strait, George). But how balls-out desperate she's been to remain commercially relevant alongside Underwood, Sugarland, and Taylor Swift over the last few years has at least been interesting to watch, if not anything particularly great to hear.

jon_oh, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link

"Dark As a Dungeon"-styled dirge "Down In The Mine" is the album closer and the best song, as far as I'm concerned, and apparently unlike Edd I really think the verse about the hardscrabble boondock economic quandary of either manufacturing drugs or shoveling coal and your own grave is something that's never been sung about much.

Yeah, I guess that is a subject country hasn't gotten to--so now I have to see what other songs that exhibit this quandry might be out there. And right, this is a good song.

Any of you heard this rather amazing piece of history? Two discs, and note representative song titles (esp. #17, hmm...):

11. Hello, I’m Johnny Credit - Johnny Credit
12. Howard Hughes Is Alive And Well - Sonny Hall
13. I’m The Mail She’s Waiting For - Chuck Wood
14. (I Want To Be) A Truck Driver’s Sweetheart - Marcie Dickerson
15. Mom And Dad’s Waltz - Tokyo Matsu
16. The Baltimore Incident - George Kent
17. D.O.A O.D - Jackie Burns

ebbjunior, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 05:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean we got a lot of meth labs around here. Cheatham County. But would the quandary of choosing between being an outlaw (moonshine in olden days) and going straight be an old one--oppression by economic forces? Just saw on the news today that farmers around the Gulf are turning their fields into landing strips for migratory birds, with federal money apparently on its way in return for, one hopes, preventing them from landing in oil-drenched lands...

And right, Have Moicy! is certainly more to the point for me at least--also been listening to the earlier Holy Modal Rounders stuff recently.

I like the idea of Up on the Ridge--I still want to find out how the bluegrass audience overlaps with the straight country audience. A label like Rounder, with its bluegrassy singer-songwriters in the mode of Claire Lynch, is kinda like Reprise Records used to be in the singer-songwriter era; and Alison Krauss seems about as universal a country artist as we're likely to see in this place and time. ?
Personally, I like the idea of Little Jimmy Dickens. Reba is certainly a powerful singer, but I've never cared for her myself.

ebbjunior, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 05:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Edd, I have an old (uk-issue) vinyl comp which has a subset of that Plantation CD - it's great, and it's never easy to find those kinds of country oddities in the UK. I don't know why Phonogram UK would have picked it up - maybe for Jeannie C Riley after Harper Valley PTA was a hit, but I'm glad they did.

There's a storming soul version of "Somebody's Gonna Plow Your Field" (slightly renamed "Somebody Else Is Gonna Plow Your Field") by Margie Hendrix on Sound Stage Seven.

Tim, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 07:18 (thirteen years ago) link

NYT's Ben Ratliff calls the Punch Brothers "acoustic prog-rock," which might explain why the Bentley tracks they're on hit me as ornate:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/06/arts/music/06punch.html

So, anybody out there want to defend Rosanne Cash's Somewhere In The Stars, from 1982? Main revelation about it is that apparently she got boring earlier than I thought. Though I've still never heard her first couple albums, from 1978 and 1980; maybe Seven Year Ache (which I've always liked a lot -- 1981) was the anomaly. '85's Rhythm And Romance had at least a couple good, borderline new wavey poppish singles ("Hold On" and "I Don't Know Why You Don't Want Me"), and '87's King's Record Shop, was, as far as I could tell, her last fun one before sinking into adult alternative introversion haze in the '90s....But anyway, Xgau gave Somewhere a B+; said "Third Rate Romance" was its worst track and still pretty good. Sounds more to me like it's the best track, and both the Amazing Rhythm Aces and Sammy Kershaw did it a lot better. Xgau correct in saying it's a hard song to screw up, but Rosanne sings it Ronstadt-style, like she's got no idea what the words are about. (Also, fwiw, Ronstadt's new wave '80 Mad Love is way better.) Besides that, there's a duet with Rosanne's dad on a Tom T. Hall song ("How I Got To Memphis") which was never one of his best, and there are two John Hiatt covers that suggest he was getting boring earlier than I thought, too. ("I Look For Love" even hints that he had an Imperial Bedroom phase, yuck, unless the prissy arrangement was new here.) And Rosanne tries some proto-Norah Jones lounge tedium too. A major lack of hooks, over all.

Also been trying to get into Baille And The Boys' first LP, from 1987. I like the idea of them: Girl lead singer with two harmonizing guys (one her husband), from Newark, New Jersey, of all places. LP went Top 30 country; supposedly they were insprired by the Supremes, Four Tops, and Beatles. (In fact, the non-husband also did Beatlemania on Broadway at some point.) Ken Barnes gave them Single Of The Month in his Creem "45 Revelations" column in January 1988: "The harmony arrangements on the LP are sumptuous, and Kathy Baille's voice is pure liquid heartbreak. It all works to perfection on 'He's Letting Go,' a slow-building, taut and tense tale of disillusion/dissolution...When Baille sings 'The moon is bluer than the midnight sky/He's gonna let me go,' it truly seems like the end of the world." Well, not to me it doesn't, not quite, not yet at least. Whole album, and especially that song, are real pretty though. Maybe I just need to listen to it more.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Oops, not Rosanne's dad on that Tom T. cover -- her (then) husband, Rodney Crowell. Who sounds like he's trying to sing like her dad.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Drive-By Truckers have several songs that address the choice between cooking meth and going straight, so that's a topic that's at least been touched upon. And meth is definitely the bigger industry than marijuana in places like Harlan County, but it's not like Dierks' "Down in the Mine" is really off the mark, either.

I still want to find out how the bluegrass audience overlaps with the straight country audience. A label like Rounder, with its bluegrassy singer-songwriters in the mode of Claire Lynch, is kinda like Reprise Records used to be in the singer-songwriter era; and Alison Krauss seems about as universal a country artist as we're likely to see in this place and time.

From my experiences with attending Bluegrass festivals here in Kentucky, I would say that the overlap between the Bluegrass and contemporary country audiences is negligible. If country is popular music's most aesthetically (and politically) conservative genre, then Bluegrass is its lunatic fringe: Acts like Krauss, Nickel Creek, and Cherryholmes all have a sizable legion of vocal detractors for having moved ever farther away from "pure" Bluegrass music. Generally, the Bluegrass purists who are big on artists like Rhonda Vincent & The Rage (though even she has some people who consider her a sell-out), The Gibson Brothers, or Doyle Lawson & Quicksilver don't have albums by Sugarland or Gary Allan in their trucks. And since Bluegrass is still such a niche genre, I haven't run across a ton of people who are just casual Bluegrass fans, and most of the ones I have met are a younger demo that came to Bluegrass via someone like The Avett Brothers, Old Crow Medicine Show, or Punch Brothers, and they aren't really listening to Dierks Bentley, either.

As for how representative that impression is, I can't say. Kentucky obviously takes its Bluegrass music very, very seriously, so there may be a more casual approach to it elsewhere. But around these parts, saying how much you liked Dierks Bentley's "Bluegrass album" would be a poor life choice in certain company. Though, for the record, I happen to like the album quite a lot.

jon_oh, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, what you say about Kentucky fans seems about right to me. Bluegrass people are as funny and as scruffy as blues fans. Here it's a pretty big hub for bluegrass, obviously, and what you're saying is that younger folks into 'grass aren't into mainstream country so much.

Acts like Krauss, Nickel Creek, and Cherryholmes all have a sizable legion of vocal detractors for having moved ever farther away from "pure" Bluegrass music.

Interesting as well. Of course, I'd argue that the various neo-grass combinations--and there's like a ton of these bands here in town, again obviously, from the Time Jumpers (with a bit of western swing in there) to Old Crow...all sort of this strange combination of "songwriting" a la what I think is behind all this shit, just country-rock, post Progressive Grass textures and sonics added to it. But songful, trying to write original material within the confines of bluegrass.

So I wonder how many new fans Nickel Creek, Cherryholmes or the band I wrote about above, Rose's Pawn Shop (who are kind of interesting but don't offer anything all that new to the equation--mixtures of rockabilly, Django Reinhardt jazzy old-tyme '30s chord progressions, and western swing a.k.a. "jump blues" have been around forever--in fact, that kind of Eklektik NPR shit is the foundation of the modern commercial bluegrass movement, which is why I sorta have to laugh at it sometimes), get by crossing over? Again, RPS are playing the Basement here, a small club. Played here a few years back. So you have to contrast that with Dierks' record, which is actually about exactly the same goddam thing, except it's not so NPR-ready. But Nashville wants any demographic it can get and must've figured, Dierks wants to do this and he's already kinda bluegrassy (actually Byrdsy a la its later phase of Karefully Kalibrated Kountry licks and sonic mystery of a sort), so it'll make a good thing for everyone to talk about. Like I'm doing here.

So plug in songwriters (recall some good ones on Dierks' record, like Shawn Camp, I think) but tailor it to Dierks, is what I think happened. And get some outside material and let's do U2 and Dylan, for the "concept." Nashville has always done weird versions of the classic rock canon. It's totally plugged into the way Nashville does things--all these other neo-progressive 'grass bands are really bands, even if they're just playing country rock with fiddles and banjos and Textures.

Here the bluegrass audience seems fairly across the board but skewing toward around 40 as a median age...

ebbjunior, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Without having the actual sales stats, I'd hesitate to project as to how many more or how many new fans the "Progressive Grass" bands like Time Jumpers or Nickel Creek or the SteelDrivers gain as compared to the traditional Bluegrass acts. But the fact that acts like Krauss and Carolina Chocolate Drops do fit squarely into the NPR / AAA demo gives them a good deal more exposure than someone like Doyle Lawson or Dailey & Vincent routinely get: I've heard Old Crow Medicine Show's singles played in places like Starbucks and Chipotle, but Rhonda Vincent isn't on those playlists.

I'll check out Rose's Pawn Shop, if only because I'm not familiar with them, and I'm enough of a casual fan of / apologist for both progressive and traditional bluegrass that they might be to my liking.

And I would agree that the median age for most of the Bluegrass festivals I've attended is north of 40, which is yet another reason that I usually feel a bit out-of-place there. The atmosphere can be exclusionary at times.

In my review of the Punch Brothers' album, I said that it seems like they're aiming to be a stringband version of Radiohead, so I can see the "acoustic prog-rock" tag. They really don't scan as a Bluegrass band most of the time, and there's a fussiness and show-offy tendency to what they're doing that might be off-putting to some. It may be my years of classical training rearing their head, but I respect the sophistication of the band's compositions and think the songs are strong enough on their own merits.

jon_oh, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link


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