― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:03 (twenty years ago) link
The thing to bear in mind with that bio is that it is written by a musician for a musician. If you are approaching it as a casual reader it isn't that great. If you are interested in the technical aspects of how his records were made and what the theory of his creative approach is, it is worth it's weight in gold.
It is not a critical analysis, it is the equivalent of high brow guitar magazine journalism. It isn't great writing, but if you are working in a similiar area it is totally news you can use.
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:14 (twenty years ago) link
According to the credits, this is not true.
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:46 (twenty years ago) link
Gen has some neat ideas, but he reminds me of Leary, always running his mouth in the hope that a few nuggets of gold will drop out.
― hector (hector), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 23:43 (twenty years ago) link
and "industrial handbook" was quite enough of the stunt list stuff
a critical assessment of the music on the 24 hours and other newly released stuff, that would be useful too, since ptv and tg recordings always seemed to be classics (something there justifying the owning of the whole record) or absolute duds
― george gosset (gegoss), Thursday, 1 April 2004 05:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 1 April 2004 08:29 (twenty years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 19 July 2004 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― cs appleby (cs appleby), Monday, 19 July 2004 05:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 19 July 2004 05:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― OleM (OleM), Monday, 19 July 2004 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 04:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 04:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 09:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 09:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link
carter's 'mondo beat' is good too.
i have no plans to see ptv. every time i sa them back in the day they were nothing short of a total load of old toss.
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Joshua Houk (chascarrillo), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 08:33 (nineteen years ago) link
See all the usual declaimers.
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 9 October 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 9 October 2004 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― big chaki (chaki), Saturday, 9 October 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 9 October 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link
That was just a dumb mistake, but I like it.
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 14 October 2004 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 14 October 2004 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 14 October 2004 23:56 (nineteen years ago) link
So anyway there's a generic PTV beginning at the start of the CD, with one of those JFK samples. Then you get the actual dedication, followed by "Beltane," which is mostly (surprisingly good) "tribal" sounding drumming, with some synthesizer sputterings.
"Beltane/Your Body/Twisted/Only Human" along with "Voodoo Acid" are the main reasons to want this, so far. Weird though even on "Depraved," this guitar solo is very classic rock, and if Genesis would shut up on this one it would be better. But on those first four songs, there are interesting musical things going on, perhaps entirely irrelevant to Genesis, but even he carries his own weight more than he usually does.
(Oh please, Genesis, no. This part didn't need to be added in.)(Also left off a song I like with some very good cheesy LSD sounds.)
― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 15 October 2004 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 15 October 2004 00:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― :| (....), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 10:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― does that make you want to touch yourself? (nordicskilla), Thursday, 7 April 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― EisbΓ€r (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 April 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― EisbΓ€r (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 April 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link
she isn't that hot. nor is her personality all that great, either.
― EisbΓ€r (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link
Thank you HTML syntax checker.
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link
I honestly haven't heard "Godstar" (though people have told me that's one worth searching for). I came quite close to picking up Live in Thee East Village at the same time I found Force the Hand..., but figured I should start with the one before I go on some sort've spree.
Each successive COIL disc i've managed to put my hand to, meanwhile, has been better than the last. That's probably why I was let down by PTV (I was hoping for a similarly revelatory experience). It's so rare nowadays for me to discover an artist with a huge back cataglog that I hand't appreciated before. Both COIL and PTV have more releases that you can shake a stick at, it seems.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 28 April 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link
I haven't heard that much Coil, but I can definitely believe their output is superior to Psychic TV's (and even good). Kind of distant from where my taste has drifted, but I'd still like to hear more Coil eventually. The only one I have is Love's Secret Domain, which I mostly like, though not the vocals as much as everything else.
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link
I get this message: Your file has expired.Unfortunately your file has expired. A link is valid for 7 days or 25 downloads, whichever occurs first. Once the link expires, the file is automatically deleted and cannot be recovered.
On Love's Secret Domain (which I don't, as yet, own), I've only really heard the title track (by way of a cassette-only Wax Trax sampler at the dawn of the 90's). I have Scatology, Horse Rotorvator (which I picked up on the strength of the raves of "scariest album ever" on ILM) and Unnatural History II (which features the infamous Hellraiser tracks....originally intended to serve as the film's score, but turned down as they were "too scary"). I've downloaded stuff from here and there. Their official website, Threshold House, promises to stock more of their stuff soon, but you can download snippets of their music on this site: http://www.brainwashed.com/coil/
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 28 April 2005 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link
Never seen this before: Recording Heathen Earth
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 21 July 2012 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
I guess I was never a very good fan.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 21 July 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
Interesting interview with Coum Transmissions member, Foxtrot Echo
― R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Sunday, 16 November 2014 22:50 (nine years ago) link
i was very very tempted to buy the "wreckers of civilisation" book last night, but the 32 dollar price tag scared me off.β jess, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago)
starting at $123 on amazon
― the late great, Friday, 27 February 2015 05:56 (nine years ago) link
Just spent an excellent 2 hours talking to an OG Coum Transmissions guy. Details to follow, maybe.
― Noodle Vape (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:14 (eight years ago) link
I'm all ears... or eyes whatever.
― Otago Imago (Tom D.), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:45 (eight years ago) link
yes please
― sleeve, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:27 (eight years ago) link
That's a coincidence. Just came home from seeing Psychic TV tonight, in Oslo.
They ripped.
― Mule, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:49 (eight years ago) link
in brief: terrifying The Man was pretty easy in 1970s England, all related parties were sweet cuddly people who continued to be so throughout their careers, Hawkwind fans used to be less tolerant than you'd think they ought to be, Wreckers of Civilization is well worth the read
― Noodle Vape (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:59 (eight years ago) link
Just seen a new edition of Wreckers of Civilisation listed on Amazon for August. Anybody know anything about that?Have been hoping that Cosey's memoir might prompt a new edition.
― Stevolende, Monday, 8 May 2017 00:20 (seven years ago) link
there was supposed to be a repress in nov 2015 that amazon took my money for and eventually refunded. so i am skeptical. but would be awesome if it happened.
― the late great, Monday, 8 May 2017 04:12 (seven years ago) link
Appears to be legit, probably a straight reprint with no new material:https://black-dog-publishing.myshopify.com/products/wreckers-of-civilisation
― heaven parker (anagram), Monday, 8 May 2017 04:39 (seven years ago) link
Shame about the no new material if that's true. I thought there had been so9me significant events since it was originally published, band reforming shortly, sleazy dying, back catalogue being remastered etc.But have regretted not having got it before.
― Stevolende, Monday, 8 May 2017 08:36 (seven years ago) link
Having read Cosey's book, the criticism that Wreckers was overly Gencentric seems valid.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Monday, 8 May 2017 08:40 (seven years ago) link
possibly, but I am still gonna snap this up if it finally becomes available again, thanks for the update.
― HONOR THE FYRE (sleeve), Monday, 8 May 2017 16:05 (seven years ago) link
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1545/2923/products/throbbing-gristle-20-jazz-funk-greats-cd-back-161222_grande.jpg
― π (am0n), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link
Doesn't seem to have appeared does it, Amazon is now saying 26th of october.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link
sigh
― sleeve, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
i like that when i google this one of the first hits is a listing for it on walmart.com
so Amazon US (for me) says August 31st, Black Dog Publishing website says October
― circa1916, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link
yes me too but they haven't charged my card yet
WE WILL SEE
― the late great, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 19:11 (six years ago) link
"arriving monday" β believe it when i see it
― the late great, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link
fuck, I might as well try to preorder this again
― sleeve, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link
huh
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/wreckers-of-civilisation-simon-ford/1125792481?ean=9781911164739
― sleeve, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 19:13 (six years ago) link
"Temporarily Out of Stock Online"
― π (am0n), Thursday, 31 August 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link
Sux2bu
Amazon is preparing mine for shipment
Or so they would have me believe
― the late great, Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:13 (six years ago) link
that was from the b&n listing. i just ordered on amazon so π!
― π (am0n), Thursday, 31 August 2017 21:55 (six years ago) link
and i got coseys book from my library
― π (am0n), Thursday, 31 August 2017 21:56 (six years ago) link
πππ
― the late great, Thursday, 31 August 2017 21:56 (six years ago) link
odds of me getting my book - at least 10 to 1 against
― the late great, Thursday, 31 August 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link
at least by monday anyway
― the late great, Thursday, 31 August 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link
Arriving tomorrow by 8 PMNot yet shipped
uh huh
― the late great, Monday, 4 September 2017 04:00 (six years ago) link
Your order contained an item that is no longer scheduled for release. This may be because the item was discontinued or replaced by a newer version.
We canceled this portion of your order and you will not be billed for it.
― sleeve, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link
We Guarantee Disappointment
― heaven parker (anagram), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
late great, how's that book so far π
― am0n, Monday, 16 October 2017 14:41 (six years ago) link