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*does the white acid rock dance to cover up*

well actually, i dont know about chuck but im not white.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:11 (twenty years ago) link

i'm white but i'm also from detroit if that matters.

― chuck, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:21 (twenty years ago) link

not that it matters of course, but:

being a white guy from detroit (like, um, jack white) = less white/a different kind of white guy?

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:24 (twenty years ago) link

I was just listening to New Kingdom's Paradise Don't Come Cheap this morning. I went to see them once (opening for the Red Aunts, at Maxwell's), but only one of them showed up. I was really pissed, too; I hear they had a lap steel guitar player in their live band.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:29 (twenty years ago) link

At the risk of un-fuckery: Anybody ever heard Hanson, a group that released a couple of LP's on Manticore (Emerson Lake & Palmer's label) in the early 70s? They were a black power trio led by a guitar player named Junior Hanson, and the one album I've got gets funky & fuzzy in places, & sometimes verges on a Mahogany Rush level of psych-ness. Not the most killer album on the shelf, but it definitely has moments that sound like Black Acid Rock.

― briania (briania), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:34 (twenty years ago) link

i hear the youngest one is really blossoming!

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:50 (twenty years ago) link

Hey now!

― briania (briania), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

Commodores "Machine Gun," maybe?
And Hot Chocolate, "Heaven is in the Back Seat of My Cadillac"? (okay, maybe that one's stretching things even by my standards.)

― chuck, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

Jeepers, I missed this thread and then some.

dr. israel (at least the album where he covers black sabbath)

I kept thinking I was the only one who knew about this album!

Has anyone mentioned the Veldt yet? (Besides me, right this second.)

Scott OTM about that Divine Styler album, as with the New Kingdom one.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:06 (twenty years ago) link

i have the Divine Style album. its freaky stuff .. i need to get that one out and rediscover as i was expecting a hip hop album (a la Word Direct on mo'wax) and its anything but so it got filed away .. but now i am much more interested .. also .. deffo on the New Kingdom tip. i mean show me another hip hop album that namecheck Foetus and Jamie Hewlett. this alone indicates where their heads were at. superb albums .. both of them ..
re Justin Warfield .. he's still at it .. up til recently in Tape who were more in the heavy stoner rock tip .. a nice few mp3's but now all burnt up. anyone got more detail on his recent whereabouts ..(other than tha placebo/LHB appearance etc)
ta. mark e/ireallylovemsuic

― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:18 (twenty years ago) link

the last i heard from the new kingdom dudes was when they were on that Ice album a while back.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:52 (twenty years ago) link

here's what i wrote about divine when i reviewed his last album:

On his debut 10 years ago, Divine's acid-drenched linguistic seminars were already fully formed— one song's centerpiece was the sound of an extremely painful childbirth. But it was 1992's Spiral Walls Containing Autumns of Light that would make Divine a household name (at least in houses where all the scary drugs were). It still stands as the most deranged and psychically damaged rap record of all time. It's a harrowing and epic tale of the war between Satan and God for Divine's soul and the inner torment he goes through in order to achieve wisdom and enlightenment . . . oh, and be careful of gothic stonecutters, too. At times funky and beautiful, there really isn't anything else like it (not even that time the Jungle Brothers were picking up bad habits from Bill Laswell). You had to worry for the man's mental health— even his mommy wonders at one point if he's "psycho-spastic."

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:55 (twenty years ago) link

okedoke. now tell me more re Jungle bros vs Bill Laswell. as i have a fair bit of the laswell tainted hiphop stuff .. been a while since i dug it though as i go through periods of complete disinterest with laswelf stuff ..

― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:00 (twenty years ago) link

a tad dated. i wrote that in 99. but my hyperbole is timeless! maybe ned would be nice enough to link what he wrote about divine as part of his best of the 90's thing that he did. i'm a big cheerleader for that album. i used to buy copies on ebay for a dollar and give them away to people who i thought my appreciate it. i still have 5 or 6 copies.

divine himself downplays the whole "losing his mind" thing when it comes to that record. but if it was all an act, it was quite an act! divine and his krew where even grungier than the jungle brothers. they had the greatest rolling-around-in-the-dirt acid-rap look. check out everlast's "i got the knack" video for evidence. (the one where they are slam dancing and nowhere near the poetic demigod with skin that's fair.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:01 (twenty years ago) link

well, everyone should own a copy of j beez with the remedy. it's amazing. and acidic as well. i think they said they were tripping a lot around that time. they used his studio i think, and took advice from him. there is some great noise/musique concrete moments on that album. as well as great beats and good rap moments as well.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

i have one song from the aborted album the JBs did with bill laswell. there was a 12" released from the same sessions on the indie brooklyn label wordsound a few years back.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago) link

it's a good drug album. i mean, most rap albums are good drug albums, especially if you smoke pot, cuzza the repetitions of beats/loops/samples and cuz so many of them are made under the influence. but that jungle bros album goes above and beyond good stoner music. it's pretty deep. and fun as hell. and noisy.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:07 (twenty years ago) link

ta. wasn't aware of the connection. will look out for that. i only have that pretty dire JB album on Gee Street with Propellerheads .. and i aint liking it too much ..
xpost .. wordsound .. lovely .. Scotty Hard solo album must be along these grooves of the thread ?

― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago) link

i would looooove to hear more stuff from that time-period. only some of it ended up on that album . they should put out some basement tapes.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago) link

hey scott, do you have the whole JBs+laswell album?

i love jbeez with the remedy, the last good LP they made was the raw deluxe one, but theyve fallen off terribly since then.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:13 (twenty years ago) link

no, i don't have it. i'm sure someone does. i was just talking about the stuff that did end up on remedy from their mad late-nite studio sessions. and yeah, i can't say that i've heard much of their post-remedy stuff.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago) link

Jungle Brothers C or D

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

if you guys like the JBeez wit.... album, check out prince pauls psychoanalyis.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:18 (twenty years ago) link

ha, i was just gonna post about the prince paul!

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:20 (twenty years ago) link

that's a great album.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:21 (twenty years ago) link

mahmoud ahmed.
if you dig the funkadelic and haven't heard this guy yet, go git some.

― m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 22:26 (twenty years ago) link

also, the album "gris gris" by dr. john, is kinda dark, swampy, fuzzy voodoo type action. don't remember any real freakouts on it, but haven't heard it for a long time.
and yeah, he's white....

...so is BlackAcidRock that's WhiteAcidRock more BlackAcidRock than BlackAcidRock that's BlackAcidHipHop?

― m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

Yall know I was talking about FUNKY FUNKY DETROIT and FUNKY FUNK DETROIT in previous posts. There's also a couple reissues on Chicagos' Hefty Records, by this Motown session muso, Phil Ranelin. He's doing the late 60s/early 70s funky cosmo, but also his session-discipline mostly keeps things entertaining (some session musos just want to jam or run off at the mind, when they get their own session, but Phil's not like that, too much. It is jazzy though, if that's aproblem look out.

― Don, Thursday, 26 August 2004 03:27 (twenty years ago) link

There are like, oh I dunno, 10 million comps in the vein of the "funky delicacies" stuff. That stuff is more just your Brownian funk 45 diaspora to me. Not quite so lysergically addled. To me, anyway.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Thursday, 26 August 2004 03:31 (twenty years ago) link

Not addled, but gamin on ya! Speaking of that, Eminem b mind-epanding, and sounds e-addled (e containing *some* 'delicacies, or supposed to), and, according to eyewitnesses in his "Driven" (VH-1 series on how stars scuffled!), has indeed frequently partaken. He's also mid-expanding, but mostly for rock critics. Stooges! Now, this old black lady who bills herself as The Blues Bitch came into my record store while we were featuring FUNHOUSE, and she immediately started playing air bass with Dave Alexander (RIP I think. If he had made it to RAW POWER, especially the re-mastered un, that would ahve been some literally grimey acid x lude rock: psychedelic enough for your ass.

― Don, Thursday, 26 August 2004 04:01 (twenty years ago) link

did I miss the post where someone mentions Love? because, y'know, yeah. if I did, that's fine. I'm going to bed.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 26 August 2004 04:05 (twenty years ago) link

RIP, Dave Alexander!! Is he really dead?? Should I have known that? I can't remember. Well, fuck me up the ass. That's actually what this guy wanted to do to me tonight at the Frankie Knuckles concert but I had to tell him I don't swing that way. Nice kid, totally broke my heart. My old high school drinking buddy Tom O'Quinn spent a summer caretaking his GF's parents house in fuckin' Tecumseh, Michigan, the happenist place on earf. We used to get hella wasted and one time we blew out the sterio system cranking "If YOu want Blood" (the song, tnot the live LP) at maximum volume. Anyway, Ron Asheton hisself came by one day to film a scene for the Troma flick, WEndigo. True fuckin' story. They changed the name for the DVD, tho -- called it Frostbiter, which is way fuckin' lamer.

Anyway, Electrostatic and Soul Patrol are the bestest labels for all y'alls funky 45 needs. That's what I've found over the years.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Thursday, 26 August 2004 04:19 (twenty years ago) link

Well actually! Once when Frank Kogan and I were discussing FUNHOUSE, I referred to the later Ig song "Dum Dum Boys," thinking Dave was one of those dead boys in that, and Frank said that when Greil Marcus mentioend that in an SanFran newspaper, a girl (or woman!) wrote in to say that Dave's not dead! Not then, anyway. So maybe he isn't. Watt was good on theStooges Homecoming boot (haven't seen the legit DVD, but it's the same show, I think) but he makes it claer that Dave ain't here. Oh, yeah, Poets of Rhythm sounds like Jerry Garcia lamenting over some slow-hopping bigass mournful drums, but not psych. Maybe i should listen some more. Lyrics Born thinks they're the shit, but Latyrx, and LB's solo ...LATER THE SAME DAY, are way better, though the former's rap and the latter's more like living shining old school R&B (if Marvin G. had made it to Prince's prime. BTW, Prince's BLACK ALBUM rocks its ass on, as do some boots)

― Don Allred, Thursday, 26 August 2004 04:54 (twenty years ago) link

is there anything that doesnt fall into the Black Acid Rock black hole?

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Thursday, 26 August 2004 09:39 (twenty years ago) link

I'm willing to be persuaded that Afrobeat (and maybe Brazilian stuff like Jorge Ben) fits into the BAR thing...I have my doubts but explain away. Also, wouldn't BAR kinda be a fairly specfic '70s genre to begin with?

― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

Tom Ze psych as hell, but I don't know how black he is.Some of reminds me of Kid Creole and Dr. Buzzard chasing Cory Daye and the Coconuts around the lab,though, so black-brown-associated. It's a different way of racial in Brazil anyway. Caetano Veloso's not my tea so much, but his wide-angle memoir TROPICAL TRUTHS explains or describes a lot of how racial figures down there. Os Mutantes are trippy, but sound whiter than Ze's crew. Carlinhos Brown can get pretty out there. I like the stuff he did with Sepultra too (or was it Soulfly?)(they're all Brazilians, but S & S got more speed and strychinine in their acid than even the regular: can tell by that metallic taste!)

― Don Ae, Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:53 (twenty years ago) link

right on, I love Tom Ze and Kid Creole myself. Prefer Gil to Veloso, but "Tropical Truth" is a must-read. I like Gil doing "Bat Macumba" better than Mutantes .

I only know Carlinhos Brown from "Alfagamabetizado" and the disappointing "Omelete Man," and from his cool shit on Sergio Mendes' classic "Brasiliero," which is one of my favorite records. I'll have to give a listen to Sepultra and Soulfly...

― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 26 August 2004 23:41 (twenty years ago) link

Eddie, before buying, you should prob check out S and S at bn.com, which is the best way to consult with allmusic.com now, and ahs a lot of sound-samples for some of this (although sound-quality of these I dunno, since my soundcard's kinda fardled). A lot of metal involved, even on 'pultra's CHAOS A.D. and the more chaotic ROOTS (the one with Brown), a *certain*(though not huge) amount of um rap-metal. (guest shots form Durst on former alb, Korn's Davis on latter, plus Cypress Hill, Mike Patton, though basically we get Brazilians, and not *rap*-metal ones,but wild ones, oh yes). Yeah I def prefer Gil to CV (haven't heard A FOREIGN SOUND, which even CV-doubters like Christgau have approved) Are you a musician? Your name sounds familiar (back bn.com with my lazy ass)

― Don, Saturday, 28 August 2004 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry to repeat myself to those who've read me sayin' this before, but reading Charles Perrone's Masters of Contemporary Brazilian Song chapter on Veloso, I think, increases appreciation of his late-60s/early '70s albums greatly for non-Portuguese speakers. (There's also a very good chapter on Gil.)

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 28 August 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks, Tim, I didn't know about that one. Oh yeah, also theres' this label, Shadoks, which releases CDS of privately-pressed psych vintagevinlyl(Some now jumping out of Wall St. windows due to Shadoking of "investment" prices). The first thing I've gottne from them is Ladies W.C.'s self-titled one-shot (strongly advised to cease an desist, by Venuzelan powers-that-were). Heavy American influence (and vocals?In English anyway). Much fun, for fans of early Big Broither, Rounders, Godz (of Esp-Disk, etc., but more together than all that! Not *too* togehter though. Funky enough for me, don't how how balck might be, but Venezuala, hey? Ck. forcedexposure.com, normal-records.com, psychedelic.-music.com (samples coming up on amazon.com, bn.com?? I dunno)

― Don, Saturday, 28 August 2004 17:10 (twenty years ago) link

Oh man. Speaking of bn.com. Just clicked in the name Egon(compiler of THE THIRD UNHEARD's early rap). In descriptions of his other crate-diggery,(much of it pre- and/or non-rap), the terms "fuzz" and "funk" come up quite often. Not with every breath, but often.

― Don, Saturday, 28 August 2004 20:14 (twenty years ago) link

there's apparently a Laswell/Carlinhos Brown/Threadgill record, I think on Axiom, from around '92 that I've heard is good, and the name escapes me. Sounds like it would fit into the acid-rock category well...I'll have to check Slipcue for the title--I might 've even heard this but I jes can't remember right now.

Yeah, I bought that Perrone book back when it came out around '90. Somewhat academic but got me into Veloso, Gil, etc., even more than previous. Excellent translations of several crucial song lyrics too. I think "Livro" is the best Veloso record, along with the great "Tropicalia 2" w/ Gil from '93. Off-topic here, sorry.

― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 28 August 2004 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

nine months pass...

Anyone heard Bo Diddley's "Black Gladiator or "Another Dimension" albums? I'm thinking of hunting them down, just goin by descriptions...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 June 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

found a copy of the first nona hendryx album for '77 for half a buck a few weeks back, and it was way better than i remembered. not acid rock, per se, but she sure does "winnning" way better than santana did four years later, and other tracks consistently remind me of danceable lady-led '70s hard rock/metal bands like babe ruth and 1994. plus at least one song seems to be explicitly lesbian, to boot.

― xhuxk, Monday, 13 June 2005 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

shakey, i've already burned you the three electric/funk/rock bo diddley albums. they're part of this comp
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg400/g492/g49238iwjbf.jpg

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 13 June 2005 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

haha - I was just looking at that on Dusty Groove and wondering if I should buy it... you are teh coolest!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 June 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know, I sure love those Mer-Da albums; the second one falls off after the first 4 tracks, but I am impressed with their fusion of soul and something else. The first one has really grown on me recently. Isn't there a reissue of those records out now?

― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 13 June 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

qui en es Mer-Da?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 June 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

black merda/mer-da music from mother's mixer. dusty groove has it.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 13 June 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

out of stock at Dusty Groove. "Long Burn the Fire" $25+ on Gemm.

Lame! sounds interesting.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 June 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

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