This thread is silly.
― Scik Mouthy, Saturday, 14 June 2008 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link
haha Matt
― HI DERE, Saturday, 14 June 2008 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Wow Tombot did Mozart kill your entirely family or what.
How long before someone marches onto this thread, tears up a poster of FSOL and shouts "Fight the real enemy!!"
― Tim F, Saturday, 14 June 2008 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link
What the...:
Man, FSOL have made a crapload of songs... -Yes. Yes they have.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 June 2008 17:02 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lfo
― banriquit, Saturday, 14 June 2008 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link
I worry a bit about Headphoneus Supremus -- not his opinions on the albums so much as that sig of his.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 June 2008 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Actually maybe Mozart DID rise from the grave and kill Tombot's family:
ZOMBIE MOZART
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 June 2008 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link
OMG the LOLs on this thread.
. Can we also ditch the vituperative descriptor "proggy maximalism", please?
Hahhaha I agree. I mean yeah I know, Dan is basically right and all, but shit dudes we're talking about techno here. We don't have to GO THERE>>> Right? There's a huge difference between what Orbital do and a long wanking guitar solo.
― Bimble, Saturday, 14 June 2008 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't really get why orbital is being described as 'prog' at all. their basic M.O. on every song i can think of is to stack loops excessively until there's a ton of shit going on.
i do think that Orbital and a LOT of ambient and techno stuff is coming from a similar mentality to that of musicians who get into long jam sessions.
― rockapads, Saturday, 14 June 2008 17:24 (sixteen years ago) link
But they're not showing off their instrumental virtuosity, their tracks are all very thoughtfully and purposefully constructed. Jam sessions are more about 'hey, look what I can do, aren't I great'.
― chap, Saturday, 14 June 2008 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link
It's more akin to the long, elaborate, completely un-improvised instrumental passages in the proggier end of thrash metal, in many ways.
― chap, Saturday, 14 June 2008 17:30 (sixteen years ago) link
i know that the 'look what i can do' thing is a key aspect of some types of jam sessions, but another aspect is riding a 'groove' and interplay between musicians. anyone whose been in a garage band knows how fun it can be to just get into a zone where the rhythm section finds a great groove and the leads take turns throwing shit over it. to me, knob tweaking over a great rhythmic structure is exactly the same feeling.
― rockapads, Saturday, 14 June 2008 17:39 (sixteen years ago) link
i've always believed that Orbital's writing process was probably the two of them in a studio with a ton of synths, just improvising until something kick ass stuck and then just riding it out.
― rockapads, Saturday, 14 June 2008 17:41 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^^^^^ I suspect this is OTM.
― HI DERE, Saturday, 14 June 2008 17:51 (sixteen years ago) link
I reckon they did that to come up with the initial riffs and then carefully pieced it all together in a manner geared to cause maximum awesomeness.
Tombot in this thread depresses me somewhat. We need MORE complex, intricate, multi-layered techno, not less.
And yeah, STOP with the "prog" label, just because something progresses doesn't mean it's gotta have a term of derision attached to it. ALL good music progresses to some extent.
― Just got offed, Saturday, 14 June 2008 21:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyone have those records from when FSOL had yet to become FSOL and called themselves Mental Cube? "Chile of the Bass Genearation" 12"? OMG that is the shit. In fact, it was so good someone stole it from me right after I played that record on the air once. I know exactly who stole it, too.
Anyway...
We need MORE complex, intricate, multi-layered techno, not less.
I agree, in a big way. Orbital were doing something quite daring at the time they first started, first two albums...challenging the norm of dance music entirely. To hear them was to think "why aren't there more acts like this?"
I do think the green album is probably unfairly maligned, but the truth was that the sounds just didn't age all that well. And once you've heard the Joey Beltram mix of Chime, the original will always sound like a slow, boring turtle in comparison.
Also I would like to express how weird it was to be attending chemistry class wearing an Orbital shirt, since orbitals are talked about in said class. My professor noticed my shirt and I must have seemed like the world's most slavish teacher's pet. And all I wanted was for someone - anyone - to tell me they knew this techno duo. *weeps*
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 15 June 2008 08:19 (sixteen years ago) link
ALL good music progresses to some extent.
Not all.
― ledge, Sunday, 15 June 2008 08:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah I was gonna say...Beatles are verse/chorus/verse/chorus right?
― Bimble, Sunday, 15 June 2008 09:07 (sixteen years ago) link
"We need MORE complex, intricate, multi-layered techno, not less."
I disagree with this, at least if it's meant to imply that most dance music isn't intricate enough.
I actually sympathize with Tombot's suspicion of pro-Orbital arguments, which often do rest on dodgy assumptions about the need for dance music to be more emotive, melodic, "compositionally rich" etc. I think that's largely been avoided in this thread thankfully.
― Tim F, Sunday, 15 June 2008 10:16 (sixteen years ago) link
i think the only real problem with prog/'intelligence' is 1) the terms themselves 2) flowing from this, the idea that greater complexity of a certain kind is a sign of superiority and 3) the assumption that, in effect, all music should be aiming for a certain ideal.
so when the straw people say 'in sides is above dance music', that's a problem; but i don't think minds will be blown by the idea that it's aiming for something functionally different from most dance music, even if it has shared roots.
when a certain music journalist talks about 'funktionality', why is he -- dread word -- valourizing the dance floor over other listening contexts?
― banriquit, Sunday, 15 June 2008 10:33 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't care about all this intellectual shit it's fucking brilliant, In Sides.
― Bimble, Sunday, 15 June 2008 10:37 (sixteen years ago) link
oh word
― banriquit, Sunday, 15 June 2008 10:38 (sixteen years ago) link
xxpost - I think it's a contained argument though. If we're talking about music that holds itself out as dance music then it's legitimate to ask how effectively it works as music for dancing to. Especially if people around you are importing other tests (in 2008 though this is a strawperson - where anti-functional strawpeople still exist they're not arguing in favour of Orbital).
I think this stops being true of Orbital after The Brown Album though - from then on they're basically home-listening techno, and, as you say, assessing them as dancefloor music mostly misses the point.
― Tim F, Sunday, 15 June 2008 10:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Listening to the brown album now, I'm surprised at how much ravier it is than I seemed to remember, especially in comparison to their subsequent stuff. Why did I love this so much amid my danceabphobe period? Well, it's pretty obvious, I guess.
And for a period of time when I was 10, Halcyon was my very favourite song.
― mehlt, Sunday, 15 June 2008 23:09 (sixteen years ago) link
classic
― usic, Sunday, 15 June 2008 23:22 (sixteen years ago) link
i thought I owned all their stuff, but I'd never come across this one
nice, but it could do without the abc sample though.
― Ant Attack.. (Ste), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 22:50 (fifteen years ago) link
holy shit, In Sides is so much more amazing than I remembered it. The Box two-parter is something else.
― Gukbe, Friday, 27 February 2009 04:06 (fifteen years ago) link
i see they've jumped on the old reform bandwagon, festivals and gigs this year but dunno if they've got new material on the way.
― ledge, Friday, 27 February 2009 11:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm not really bothered about any new material because I have a feeling the time for that has passed and it would probably be crap. A few of us are going to the first Brixton gig and I'd say Glastonbury was a nailed-on certainty.
― David Bentley: Rhythm Ace (Matt DC), Friday, 27 February 2009 11:49 (fifteen years ago) link
didn't realise Omen wasn't that well known. its on an old cd single i have hidden away.
― mark e, Friday, 27 February 2009 11:52 (fifteen years ago) link
would love them to do all of Brown and In Sides live
― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 27 February 2009 12:26 (fifteen years ago) link
and Sniv too yes
I would leave after Keine Trick Wasser
― ledge, Friday, 27 February 2009 14:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Trink
WARNIN WARNIN NUCLEAR ATTACK
+ how could you not want to hear 'Attached' live?
― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 27 February 2009 14:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Meh to Attached but Are We Here? would be incredible. Not sure I'd want to hear that album in its entirety live, but a whole performance of Brown would be beyond awesome.
― David Bentley: Rhythm Ace (Matt DC), Friday, 27 February 2009 14:26 (fifteen years ago) link
To Ant Attack: don't feel bad...I recall Omen being kindof hard to find and not mentioned much back when I was being an avid collector of their stuff. I'm not really sure why that was. I never even owned that 12", I think I had to get it on tape from someone.
― Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 27 February 2009 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Yo, has anyone got What Happens Next (b-side of One Perfect Sunrise) and Technologique Park (from the XXX soundtrack, I think) that they could send me? They don't appear to be available online anywhere.
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 13 April 2009 17:12 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, Forever / I Wish I Had Duck Feet = best best BEST BEST headphone experience ever ever EVER EVAH ohmygod
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 13 April 2009 17:23 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=8aa5ac5ef7ebf908d2db6fb9a8902bda
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 13 April 2009 17:28 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yj2tzvemwjl
sorry, that link is better
Thank you!
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 13 April 2009 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link
you are welcome
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 13 April 2009 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link
OK beat this for a setlist, from the Brixton comeback gig:
Out There Somewhere (the whole thing, with a dark wibbly acid bit between parts 1 and 2)Lush 3 (both bits)ImpactRemind (with big new melodic bassline)SatanBelfastChime (original chugging version, not the later hyperbosh version)Chime CrimeKnow Where To RunHalcyon (Belinda and Bon Jovi samples in at the end, lead into...New electro thing, with the same 80s samples, strangely the big concession to the music of the last few years, leads into...)More HalcyonOne Perfect Sunrise (I used to think this was a bit naff, in the nu-Balearic era it sounds amazing)
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The Box (hybrid of pts 1 and 2, with the old Goldfrapp vocals)Doctor Who
Pretty much the whole thing was one long mix. It was incredible, way better than at the tail end of their career.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 24 September 2009 22:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Ace! Most of my faves there. I'm going tomorrow night.
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 24 September 2009 22:23 (fifteen years ago) link
would be jealous if they'd done The Girl With The Sun In Her Head and ANYTHING from Sniv
― modeskeletor (blueski), Thursday, 24 September 2009 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link
blimey that looks dope.
― history mayne, Thursday, 24 September 2009 22:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Does OTS work as a set opener?
― should probably be practising shorthand (country matters), Thursday, 24 September 2009 23:55 (fifteen years ago) link
am jealous.
― give me sluts (Upt0eleven), Friday, 25 September 2009 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link
they were fantastic in 96 when i saw em
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 25 September 2009 00:08 (fifteen years ago) link