Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty (2010)

does this album have the best (american) rapping of the year?

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, July 2, 2010 1:43 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I think the Roc Marciano might take that one for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uVHsPOL8j0

And actually the new Eminem has some pretty otherworldly rapping-qua-rapping on it even if his concepts/choruses/beats/ideas are totally in the shitter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLinkJvoasY

love a good 6/8 rap

Roc marciano is good but totally workmanlike, wouldn't say he's the best this year.

dare i ask?

i would like for whiney to be banned for continually talking about that eminem song

eminem is so fucking lame

A few days ago they played "Love the Way You Lie" and "My Name Is" back to back on the radio and the difference was like O_O

Hearing Eminem coming from cars so much this past week has been :(

Dre is a phenomenal rapper but he got less and less interested in what he was best at. He reminds me of Neil Young in the eighties: drifting from genre exercise to exercise, in a perverse attempt to deny his talents.

[...] by all means an artist has gotta "stretch" but there's risks. Big Boi stretched modestly: his arrangements and choice of guest artists got more wack; Dre was the flashier one, more interested in sonic impact, but his failures make me question whether he wanted to impress us with how deep his CD collection is.

― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, July 1, 2010 4:07 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

there are so many problems with The Love Below - it tries really hard to get by on doing a lot, to coast on credit for being all the things it's not (ie a "rap album"), but a lot it fails. Crappy guitar playing, gratuitous drum 'n' bass programming, a serious lack of editing (pretty much every song is several choruses and/or a couple minutes too long), frustratingly simplistic lyrics and hooks. I never want to sit through the whole thing.

On top of that, there isn't much 3000 has done in the 00s besides that. Some cartoon work, a couple shitty movies, a handful of guest verses, and Idlewild. Kinda pathetic.

[...] dude took his guitar for a walk in the park, got lost, never came back

[...] I have trouble not viewing 3000's retreat from music as an admission of defeat, as a kind of capitulation. His issues with how hip hop was evolving were front and center and he was clearly growing uncomfortable/uninterested in a lot of hip hop culture, but rather than use his position and prominence to try and reshape or remold things in a different direction, he just gave up and walked away. Which comes off as a cop-out. Hip hop is pretty boundless in terms of the sounds and styles it can accomodate, it's sad that he wouldn't use this to his advantage and instead opt to make a fairly ambitious but also amateurish hodge-podge and then just vanish. Big Boi's approach, by comparison, is so much more inviting and invigorating.

(won't argue that Hey Ya is an amazing track - knocked it out of the park with that. little else on the album comes close though. maybe Dracula's Wedding)

― has arlen specter never heard clarence thomas's laugh? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, July 1, 2010 4:21 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

just alfred and shakey, but others seem to agree. is this really the ilm verdict on 3000 and the love below? cuz i disagree entirely. i don't see the record as a failure on any level: "spread", "she lives in my lap", "hey ya", "roses", "pink & blue", "dracula's wedding", "take off your cool"... though andre's obviously reacting against hip hop and/or the idea that he's a rapper on TLB, i don't see him as abandoning his gifts. i'm reminded of the fables regarding dylan's first electric shows. all the folk hardliners are said to have frothed with rage, but in retrospect, the progression feels more natural than shocking and didn't have much to do with the core of his music. see the non-rap-ness of TLB in similar terms. it may not be what he'd led us to expect, but it's nonetheless a damn fine album taken on its own terms.

been almost 7 years since speakerboxx/TLB, and it's true that dre hasn't done anything of real note in that time, but it's still too early to declare him musically dead.

wow it's been that long....what is his deal?

wonder if he's the next lauryn hill or what

name me another artist who came back strong after a 7 year vacation

dude is finished

i have no doubts that if andre was sentenced by a judge to make a southern rap album that it would be dope as dope gets, but i don't think he has any interest in that at all, and he sucks at any other music besides that, so yeah, he's done

Dylan?

xpost

maxwell

when did Dylan ever stop touring/making records...?

Maxwell

ha xpost

portishead

you could maybe MAYBE make an argument for Miles, but even that was just 5 years. and I tend to really hate his comeback stuff.

good call on Maxwell tho

when did Dylan ever stop touring/making records...?

Seven years between Under the Red Sky and Time Out of Mind if I omit the cover albums that Greil Marcus likes more than I do.

mission of burma

dinosaur jr.

name me another artist rapper who came back strong after a 7 year vacation

I don't know what your point is. The continuing vitality of De La Soul and Public Enemy tell me that hip-hop is certainly not a young man's game.

Dr. Dre

? Mascis never stopped making music. bands breaking up and reuniting is not the same thing...

xp

i would definitely argue that it is

that is a response to soto, not shakey

I don't have a point I was just curious - it seems pretty rare to me. A lot of examples cited so far seem kinda dubious/not analogous

like... raekwon and big boi have put out great records recently, but when hip-hop feels vital to the country, it's def a young man's game

name me another artist who came back strong after a 7 year vacation

dude is finished

― has arlen specter never heard clarence thomas's laugh? (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, July 2, 2010 2:41 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark

i have no doubts that if andre was sentenced by a judge to make a southern rap album that it would be dope as dope gets, but i don't think he has any interest in that at all, and he sucks at any other music besides that, so yeah, he's done

― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, July 2, 2010 2:42 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

well, in all fairness, it's been only a few years since idlewild. the fact that we didn't love it doesn't wipe it from existence. lots of people come back from one less-than-stellar album.

right now the young men are failing us, more or less -- but it's still a young man's game

Dr. Dre

lol

There are certainly people making better old man rap than fucking Public Enemy (or even De La who aren't completely terrible at present date)

well, sure, if we want to evaluate an artist on his moment of greatest mass cultural impact...

xxpost

We disagree, Rev. Loved the last two PE albums.

virtual old man rap renaissance in the last couple years IMO

lots of people come back from one less-than-stellar album.

in 3000s case I think it's two less than stellar albums and a bunch of bullshit movies/cartoons. and there's also the fact that he really does NOT seem interested in music - he doesn't wanna tour, he's not interested in hip hop, he wastes his time on shitty little movie roles, etc.

[There are certainly people making better old man rap than fucking Public Enemy (or even De La who aren't completely terrible at present date

also Rev otm that's a pretty weak pair to cite Alfred (also neither of those acts took the extended vacation route 3000 has)

Also "old" is a weird adjective to use around hip-hop. Ghostface is old. LL Cool J is ancient.

De La Soul didn't release anything for a five-year period, but I guess they toured and did whatever during that time.

I'm going out the door for drinks, so when I return a little soused I'll have more to say. Kisses!

when hip-hop feels vital to the country, it's def a young man's game

― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, July 2, 2010 2:50 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark

virtual old man rap renaissance in the last couple years IMO

this is really true to my ears - I haven't heard anything from young guys that's wowed me as much as Ghostface, Raekwon, E40, or Big Boi in recent years

this is probably true (otoh jay-z's 40)

exactly

i mean, prior to "shine blockas", we would have had equal reason to wonder about both BB and andre. speakerboxxx & idlewild aren't my favorite albums (prefer the former), but i wasn't ready to write the verdict. i was curious about what might come next. and i'm still in that position wr2 dre.

I haven't heard anything from young guys that's wowed me as much as Ghostface, Raekwon, E40, or Big Boi in recent years

― has arlen specter never heard clarence thomas's laugh? (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, July 2, 2010 2:57 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

would say i haven't heard a lot from young guys that's wowed me as as much, but yeah

Big Boi was doing that ballet in Atlanta, put out the Got That Purp mixtape plus a couple singles and all this stuff

# 2004: "This Is How I Feel" (from the Earth Wind & Fire album Illumination)
# 2005: "Never Gonna Let You Go (She's a Keepa)" (from the Omarion album 0)
# 2005: "Porno Bitches" (from Bizarre album Hannicap Circus)
# 2005: "My Man" (from the Carlos Santana album All That I Am)
# 2005: "Girlfight" (from the Brooke Valentine album Chain Letter)
# 2005: "Smilin' (You Caught Me)" (from the Sly & the Family Stone tribute album Different Strokes by Different Folks)
# 2006: "Wanna Move" (from the Diddy album Press Play)
# 2006: "Margarita" (from the Sleepy Brown album Mr. Brown)
# 2006: "Porno Bitches" (from the Devin the Dude mixtape album Weed, Wine and Women)
# 2006: "Ms. New Booty (remix)" (from the Bubba Sparxxx album The Charm)
# 2007: "Last Night (Remix)" (from the Diddy album Press Play)
# 2007: "And I Love You" (from the Rich Boy album Rich Boy)
# 2007: "Hood Figga (Remix)" (from the Gorilla Zoe album Welcome to the Zoo)
# 2007: "Get It Shawty (Remix)" (from the Lloyd album Street Love)
# 2007: "Hood Boy" (from the Fantasia album Fantasia)
# 2007: "I'm So Hood (Remix)" (from the DJ Khaled album We the Best)
# 2007: "Hold Up" (from the Chris Brown album Exclusive)
# 2007: "I'm Crazy for Love" (from the Lim Jeong Hee album Before I Go J-Lim)
# 2008: "Energy" (from the Raheem DeVaughn album Love Behind the Melody)
# 2008: "U Know" (from the King Vashawn album Villennium)
# 2008: "Love's Crazy" (from the Slim album Love's Crazy)
# 2009: "She Gotta Friend" (with Gucci Mane and Juelz Santana)
# 2010: "Nothin' On You Remix" (with B.O.B. and Bruno Mars)
# 2010: "Tightrope" (with Janelle Monae)

Andre, otoh busy getting on John Legend and Gwen Stefani albums...

# 2003: "Boogie Man" (from the Big Gipp album Mutant Mindframe)
# 2004: "Bubble Pop Electric", "Long Way To Go" (from the Gwen Stefani album Love. Angel. Music. Baby.)
# 2005: "That's Sexy" (from the Q-Tip album Open)
# 2005: "Junglebook" (unreleased version; original version from the Esthero album Wikked Lil' Grrrls)
# 2006: "Throw Some D's (Remix)" (from the Rich Boy album Rich Boy)
# 2007: "What A Job" (from the Devin the Dude album Waitin' To Inhale)
# 2007: "30 Something (Remix)" (Jay-Z feat. André 3000 & Ice Cube)
# 2007: "You (Remix)" (from the Lloyd album Street Love)
# 2008: "Green Light" (from the John Legend album Evolver)
# 2008: "Everybody" (from the Fonzworth Bentley album C.O.L.O.U.R.S., also featuring Kanye West)
# 2010: "Ride" (remix) (from the Ciara album Basic Instinct)