Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty (2010)

the album lacks a third section that really concludes it satisfyingly. it kinda just soldiers on. not that the quality drops off, it just doesnt really add up to much beyond a selection of good stand alone tracks. im not sure im really going to listen to it as a whole - id rather just play daddy fat sax, turns me on, gen patton, and shine blockas (and the remix) over and over. do like you aint no dj and tangerine a lot but yelawolf kinda ruins aint no dj.

no hustle blood??

But it's got a backup plan a backup plan a backup plan a backup plan a backup plan a backup plan a backup plan a backup plan!

i mean, i think the album could do with editing but i dont know what id take off.

^^ amazing post

Doesn't seem to be much love for The Train Part II in this thread. I actually think it would make a better closer than Back Up Plan (which is still awesome).

do like you aint no dj and tangerine a lot but yelawolf kinda ruins aint no dj

No.

I think "Hustle Blood" is my favourite thing on this right now. The groove is so deliciously slow.

otm. crazy that it's produced by lil jon

ive kinda warmed to yelawolf (or been forced to since listening to you aint no dj, which has one of my fave beats on the album) but he is kind of a poor mans thirstin howl.

Have you heard his mixtape titch?

He comes across less gimmicky in a sustained hit (though he's less gimmicky-seeming here than on his first verse on Rich Boy's "Go Crazy" - the second verse more than makes up for it there)

i havent, but i know a lot of people were going crazy about it. ill try and search it out.

actually its not that hes a poor mans thirstin, more than he just reminds me a bit too much of him (and plus, i loved mr howl).

If anyone fancies adjusting their tracklist, according to Big Boi Looking 4 Ya was supposed to come after Hustle Blood and Royal Flush was going to be the last track.

haha really don't see that thirstin howl thing. i think yelawolf is going to be huge

i havent, but i know a lot of people were going crazy about it. ill try and search it out.

It's the best album of this year IMO.

Yup.

train 2 and hustle blood are my favorites atm. cracks me up every time big boi says "choo choo" in the train 2. so many cool little vocal parts in that song.

*torrenting now*

people have the weirdest complaints about this album

haha thirstin howl?

looking forward to future references in this thread to pumpkinhead, breez evahflowin, and sir menalik

haha

i cant be the only one who hears it.

wishing i had one of the soundbombing comps on my ipod like a mutha right now tbh

thirstin was dope

soundbombing 2 was underrated imo

underrated in retrospect by herbs who are ashamed of their backpack past maybe?

^^

thirstin's skilligans island was one of the best albums of that era btw.

i really want to start a thread about "black-tracking" which is my theory that white rock critics love to REALLY BACK african-americans who makes remotely avant-garde music for the maybe span of like two years and then deem it "LOL SO CORNY" by the end of the decade. It's happened as long as I've been listening to music and it's super-racist and really fucking sucks

Tracy Chapman - P&J #3, 1988
Terrance Trent D'Arby - P&J #25, 1989
PM Dawn - P&J #5, 1991
Arrested Development - P&J #1, 1992; P&J #12, 1993
Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy - P&J #19, 1992

I don't feel like looking up the rest, but same shit happened to Tricky, Rawkus, Def Jux, etc.

Oh, and grime

Wyclef Jean: Wyclef Jean Presents the Carnival Featuring Refugee All-Stars

^^^ this finished at No. 16 in 1997

terrance trent's "weird" albums aren't that weird and are really good actually.

I am never ashamed of liking backpacker stuff!

actually just downloaded The Appetizer a free EP by Punchline and Fokis, pretty awesome, came out last year i think....

Can't you apply that hindsight to lots of music that critics turned around went lol wtf was i thinking, no matter what race/genre is involved?

I think Whiney is OTM re: critical reaction to this stuff but for the record...

Tracy Chapman - P&J #3, 1988
Terrance Trent D'Arby - P&J #25, 1989
PM Dawn - P&J #5, 1991
Arrested Development - P&J #1, 1992; P&J #12, 1993
Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy - P&J #19, 1992

I don't feel like looking up the rest, but same shit happened to Tricky, Rawkus, Def Jux, etc.

... I hated all this crap when they came out.

except for Tricky, that first album is really good

it's just reactionary, I think. White critics priveleging stuff for what it's not (ie mainstream black culture which is too "scary"/alien for them)

also - the pattern of only liking black music for being 'avant garde' or 'state of the art' and not being interested in much else about it.

Tracy Chapman - P&J #3, 1988
Terrance Trent D'Arby - P&J #25, 1989
PM Dawn - P&J #5, 1991
Arrested Development - P&J #1, 1992; P&J #12, 1993
Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy - P&J #19, 1992

were these guys really avant garde though? michael franti? pm dawn?! i think they were liked for other reasons (being musical/conscious rappers etc)

(pm dawns second album had some great stuff on it btw)

it's just reactionary, I think. White critics priveleging stuff for what it's not (ie mainstream black culture which is too "scary"/alien for them)

um, being reactionary doesn't make it any less racist, particularly when it always follows the pattern of "wow this is neat, black people don't do this! I love it!" ----> "ugh this is corny, why don't they do what black people do?"

xp: PM Dawn and Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy were pretty avant-garde given what was going on around them when they both hit the scene, particularly DHOH and their appropriation of industrial music.

lol yeah - wasn't to implying it isn't racist!

I can't tyupe todaye

i really want to start a thread about "black-tracking" which is my theory that white rock critics love to REALLY BACK african-americans who makes remotely avant-garde music for the maybe span of like two years and then deem it "LOL SO CORNY" by the end of the decade. It's happened as long as I've been listening to music and it's super-racist and really fucking sucks

Tracy Chapman - P&J #3, 1988
Terrance Trent D'Arby - P&J #25, 1989
PM Dawn - P&J #5, 1991
Arrested Development - P&J #1, 1992; P&J #12, 1993
Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy - P&J #19, 1992

I don't feel like looking up the rest, but same shit happened to Tricky, Rawkus, Def Jux, etc.

― Attention all Whiney fans! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, July 9, 2010 8:55 AM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark

since it's on radar, add the love below. maybe not "avante-garde", but boundary pushing in a way that's similar to tracy chapman, TTD'arby. loved by many critics upon release, looked at askance a few years down the road.

laughable how critics (eg the guardian) talk about the way you move being as good a single as hey ya really.

race plays into this, but there's also a tendency among certain fans & critics (myself included) to gravitate to the weird & experimental in pop at the time of its release ... but then to retrospectively devalue it in favor of that which proves durable/universal over time. this tendency overrates novelty in the short run, overrates traditionalism in the long.

got any non-black examples

beck?

Well PM Dawn really started sucking, so that may be why critics distanced themselves.

Beck's best work seems to still be held in high regard, no...? Odelay, Minite Vultures, One Foot in the Grave, for example. That recent Beck poll got a LOT of votes

I was gonna say, Beck still gets plenty of crit love in certain circles.