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_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 10 July 2010 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link

I do the same thing, all the time. Anyway, this totally sounds right:

The harmonies seem kind of 50ish/early 60sish (in an early rock or maybe R&B way). Possibly that is what you are hearing as country?

Though, regardless of the remix, I don't know how much I'd recognize merengue if I heard it. I always assumed that lots of the fast dance music I heard in Dominican-run bodegas in Queens and lower Park Slope was merengue, but I could've been totally wrong about that. That Chino Y Nacho track didn't even strike me as especially fast, if that matters.

Scrolling back, I also see totally eye-to-eye with Jon Oh here:

I've never been all that big on Reba outside of a handful of isolated singles (see also: Strait, George).

And in fact made that same comparison here, in my review and comments:

http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=694

xhuxk, Saturday, 10 July 2010 13:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Some merengue is extremely slow.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 10 July 2010 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Gave Megafaun another chance (their upcoming album Heretofore -- have never heard any earlier stuff, which may or may not be different.) Reminds me of any number of drowsy, shambly, vaguely rootsy but mostly just plain vague eco-freak indie bands I've momentarily thought might be potentially interesting in the past decade or so but in the long run ultimately determined otherwise for all of them: Fruit Bats (circa Echolocation, the only album of theirs I ever even passingly cared about), Sixth Great Lake, I See Hawks In L.A., maybe My Morning Jacket.
Probably some art-folk period (= zzzzzz) Beck and Wilco in there, too.
Don't hate the record, has some pretty and mildly back-to-the-land evocative parts I guess, but there's not a single track (out of six, in 34 long minutes) that holds my attention all the way through. Also don't get Edd's "they'll try anything" claim -- Laura Bell Bundy's album, for one, seems way more stylistically varied; it's not even close. But then, I never really got what the big deal about Skip Spence's Oar, was, either, and though I still might have a copy of the first Moby Grape LP around here, only song I ever really cared about by them was "Fall On You." So yeah -- different strokes, for sure.

xhuxk, Monday, 12 July 2010 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I have a weakness for...what you call it, avant-folkiedom. Which doesn't always guarantee cohesion or even tunefulness, for sure. A group like Megafaun seems to me to be just self-consciously trying to do something different, I guess is what I mean...saxophones and Four Tet electronic stuff and some weird chords they learned messing around playing guitars. John Fahey and that kind of quietist folk stuff.

For what it's worth, and I'm sure I make this pretty obvious, I just think music like Laura Bell Bundy's isn't about music that much at all, whereas Megafaun are at least paying attention to some qualities you'd call musical, like the aforementioned playing around with...chords, harmonies and so forth. They're both pretty derivative. But I frankly can't understand how any real talent enters into something like "Giddy Up" at all--anybody with the technology and the right dancin' girl can come up with that stuff, plug in and go. I'm interested in musical expression more or less and I don't think the people behind Laura Bell Bundy care about that at all, it's just another hot babe (supposedly) doing her thing in a world made better by Robert Palmer videos. Show biz, and that's fine, I just don't care.

ebbjunior, Monday, 12 July 2010 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link

I was actually referring to the previous Megafaun album in my comments upthread; my editor just sent me their new one, which I haven't listened to yet. And, like Edd, I share his predilection for "avant-folkiedom." Not to turn the thread into some kind of support group or anything.

I find Edd's take on Laura Bell Bundy pretty fascinating. Again, I think it may be a matter of the severe disservice that the video for "Giddy On Up" does to both the single and to Bundy. Simply looking at the video, I can absolutely see how someone would come to the conclusion that there's no there there-- that it's just a matter of the right technology and the right girl and the right pair of chaps and the right So You Think You Can Dance cast-offs. The video is shrill and grotesque.

But the remainder of her album-- and Chuck may or may not agree on this-- shows a real point-of-view and sense of purpose that I don't get at all from, say, Kellie Pickler or Julianne Hough or Jewel or Jenette McCurdy or Jessie James. And, while I value paying attention to musical qualities, having an actual perspective and voice is something that I value, as well. And, while I understand why she's divisive (most traditionalists seem to want her head on a stake), I think Bundy has that kind of a voice. I'll link through to my review of her album if anyone's interested, but I think it's the most accomplished major label debut to come out of Nashville since Miranda Lambert's Kerosene.

jon_oh, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd have to go back through major label Nashville debuts from the past few years to doublecheck (off the top of my head -- do Flynville Train on Show Dog count?), but yeah, that all sounds more or less right to me. Though I also don't remotely believe Bundy's album lacks "musical" qualities (which Edd seems to be defining weirdly selectively -- and not based so much, if I'm reading him right, on how records actually, you know, musically sound, but on how he perceives those records are made. For one thing, he seems to imply Bundy is just some passive actor with little input on her album's, uh, non-music, and I have no idea where he gets that idea from, especially since she gets a co-songwriting credit for 11 out of 12 songs, including "Giddy On Up" -- I mean, if "anybody with the technology and the right dancin' girl can come up with that stuff," then how come nobody else has? Also not sure why he thinks 29 = an old lady, but whatever.) I value those always fuzzy variables "talent" and "expression," too, but they're hardly the only things that go into making great records. (And after 25 years plus, of course, it won't surprise anyone that's what I think.)

In other news, the first song on the new (forthcoming) Randy Houser album may well have the heftiest drum wallop I've heard all year.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link

This discussion makes me wanna hear Megafun! (Hi, my name is Josh and I like John Fahey.) (And the new Four Tet sounds pretty good.)

But what I HAVE heard is the Bundy record, just today for the first time, and did I miss something? Is she controversial? Because she's a carpetbagger or something? I dunno, it was a take-it-or-leave-it for me, but I did admire some of the songs and the playing on it, not to mention her singing, which seemed very talented and expressive. The slow half was too slow for too long, and the fast half, while good, didn't do enough to redeem it. So, while I can imagine people liking it, I'm not sure how often I'd wanna subject myself to it. Will try again.

And if anything, Bundy's album seemed more "musical" than Lambert's albums, even if I enjoyed Lambert's first two more. Instruments are more clearly defined, there's more space and variety and nobody compressed the shit out of it. I caught a couple really nice guitar solos, and the band pulls off all the styles with expertise. So if I think it's only pretty good, it's because I was disappointed with the pacing and the songs. The singing and musicianship are probably its MOST impressive aspects. (Do like "Giddy On Up," song AND video.)

dr. phil, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Nice review, Jon, though you like the album more than I. I would argue that she's not the only country person (or even woman, if it makes a difference) doing "frank sexuality"--Sara Evans is right there, and Lady Antebellum have their drunk dialing song, and I'm sure there are others I'm not coming up with. There was some article somewhere some months back (you're welcome) about how you can't listen to country radio with your kids anymore, or at least you have to come up with creative ways of explaining sexy lyrics to them. (I'll get back to you if I factcheck myself.)

dr. phil, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link

RIP Hank Cochran (songwriter: "I Fall to Pieces," "Don't You Ever Get Tired of Hurting Me," much more besides)

ILX RIP country songwriter Hank Cochran thread.

curmudgeon, Friday, 16 July 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Some excerpts of Hank's own tracks swirling around NPR very early this morning. Really nice high lonesome hilltonk neon atmosphere. Speaking of acid folk, I really like Couch Forts; they're kinda Rounders meet primo Woody Allen, re personal neurotic/erotic mythologically hand-painted snapshots.(They do not try to sing like Stampfel, or Allen.) Can stream or download beaucoup tunes here:
http://www.thesixtyone.com/couchforts.html

dow, Friday, 16 July 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, the reason it says "Couch Forts" under some tracks and "Sufferbaby" under others: those are titles of EPs, which the downloads are from. If you can't be arsed to deal with thesixtyone and their free downloads, Couch Forts also got: http://www.myspace.com/iliveinacouchfort.html

dow, Friday, 16 July 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Caramanica in the NYTimes on new albums I haven't hear by Jerrod Neimann (thought his single was okay, not great) and Lee Brice (who I have no opinion about at all.) He likes them both; says the Brice is probably the toughest country album of the year, which I'm extremely sketpical about, having heard Flynnville Train, Randy Houser, Jace Everett, and Colt Ford's albums. (Hell, maybe even Laura Bell Bundy's, for that matter. And Trace Adkins'.) But he makes me want to hear both of them anyway, just to make sure. (Even more skeptical about the non-country stuff he writes about. Thought the Gyptian reggae hit was boring, though nobody else at Singles Jukebox seemed to agree with me. Thought the Zola Jesus goth EP early this year was even more boring -- not nearly as diverting/listenable as the goth album by San Diego band Blessure Grave, who they seem to be associated with somehow -- and my wife, who likes goth way more than I do, agreed with me. Don't remember much about the middling Wacka Flocka Flame single reviewed on Jukebox.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/arts/music/18playlist.html

xhuxk, Sunday, 18 July 2010 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link

And speaking of "power country" (Caramanica's coinage -- I like it, wish I'd thought of it, and will surely steal it), here's George on Lady Antebellum's "Stars Tonite," which I agree is is a real good summer open-air concert radio rocker, even if I've listened to country radio so little this summer I haven't heard it on the radio yet myself. Can't see ranking it near "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet" or "American Band" myself -- too soft in its center, somehow -- but the riff is indeed propulsive (mentioned it way upthread when I first heard the album), and the singalong's inspiring enough for me to finally push me over to the "gonna keep the CD" side, after liking two previous hits. Also makes me think that what I liked more about their debut album is that there was more rock on it, if probably not anything this rocking.

Rolling Past Expiry Hard Rock 2010

xhuxk, Sunday, 18 July 2010 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link

"Stars Tonight," actually -- not "Tonite." (And "by soft in its center," I guess I partly means its vocals, which aren't as manly as Grand Funk's or BTO's, obviously. But it also doesn't swing as hard as they did. Still, compared to other "rock" on the charts now, it rules.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 18 July 2010 14:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, Lady A -- with the girl singer, can't have any Don Brewer bellow aka "American Band." The lilts spoil it.

But GF and BTO had no Les Paul guitar chomps like that. No one did back then. The Mesa Boogie metal panel triple-recto whatsis marches on eating everything in its path.

Gorge, Sunday, 18 July 2010 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.gibson.com/en%2Dus/Lifestyle/Features/john%2Drich%2D0719/

Note Rich getting in-line for his Gibson endorsement during the promotion for his new record.

Saw the video for it yesterday, thought he was setting himself up to be Kid Rock with better clothes and voice. It had all the usual 'rock' barnacles in it -- Ted Nugent, Sebastian Bach, some midget you see all the time. Nugent, who features reporters seem not to notice will do anything for a paycheck these days, pretneds to be at a bar having a shot. For Mr. Rage about the Virtue of Teetotalism ...

Nugent has a love-hate thing going with modern country. He would dearly love to have more of this audience. In fact, it was his audience in the late Seventies, in a harder form. But now he has the real bottom out-of-sighters, a much smaller cut. And it doesn't help that he makes disparaging remarks about country when he thinks his John Rich/Toby Keith buddies aren't in earshot.

So he plays a little guitar on Rich's single, too. Don't know if he actually played it on record. It doesn't sound like a Nugent lick but he actually did rein himself in for Damn Yankees. And Ted keeps putting on weight.

And here's my Nugent research:

http://dickdestiny.com/blog1/category/ted-nugent/

Since John Rich did the Massey Coal gig with Nugent as MC last year, one could come to the conclusion they're of real similar politics. However, the Nuge is now real bitter over Detroit -- and not in a good way --
which would seem to be in stark contrast to the sentiment in Rich's last big tune.

Gorge, Monday, 19 July 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh man, Nugent was scheduled to be on the cover of a big fat UK glossy, Classic Rock...Where the Legends Never Die. There was a change in plans, which the Editor's Note explained thusly: While the photographer was setting up, "Sweet Home Alabama" came on the radio, and Nugent started yelling something very like: "Turn that dead redneck shit OFF!" And got even iller before anybody could react. Speaking of power country, I too wish I'd thought of it, though I almost did, when writing this show preview:

A certain power ballad sure feels like a sultry country night, as the lady recalls summer love--until she suddenly taunts her old sweetheart, who shouldn't feel too bad. She also loves doing that to stalkers, voyeurs, and other favorite audience members. On Halestorm's self-titled debut album, Lzzy (Hale yeah, "Lzzy")Hale's brand of metal shares 70s/80s rock-based connections with restlessly nostalgic modern pop country. She's a leather working girl, whose extreme measures sometimes have to battle her own Heart-shaped heart, and that's country too. But no twangy strings nor singers need apply.

dow, Monday, 19 July 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Reg Mex side note:

Jesse Turner of Siggno (who I'm not familiar with) lists his Top 10 Albums, sort of, including Intocable, Ramon Ayala (who originated most of the songs on Intocable's latest album), and Brad Paisley, among others.

On Paisley: "I don’t have a favorite album, but what gets my mind going about any of his music is that he performs his own songs with so much life. His songs tell different stories every single time. I am amazed at his ability to to write a song about picking between his woman or fishing. Songs like 'Little Moments Like That,' 'Cause He Didn’t Have To Be,' 'I’m still A Guy'… This guy challenges me to do the same and write songs that don’t always have to be about the same thing. I believe that now you can write about a song about a rock that doesn’t move...His albums, lyrics, songs, shows, are all motivating to my music career."

For further research, at least for me.
http://www.ramiroburr.com/true/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=711:jesse-turnersiggno-top-10-albums&catid=3:newsflash

dr. phil, Monday, 19 July 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

BAD in the Paul Fussell sense: Songs rendered unlistenable under any circumstance by astonishingly unwatchable video.

Colt Ford making a joke of his frankly hard to stomach obesity and the Twilight movies for the intro of "Chicken & Biscuits."

Billy Currington making a nauseating and homely slob the centerpiece of his "Good at Drinkin' Beer." Way too
successful.

Couldn't make it past thirty seconds of music on either of these, because of. And I like to drink beer, too.

Gorge, Monday, 19 July 2010 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link

They've both done much better, anyway. "Chicken & Biscuits" is one of the least notable tracks on Colt Ford's album of the same name. And here's what Singles Jukebox people just said about that Currington song:

http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=2547

Also, LeAnn Rimes's "Swingin'":

http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=2538

And Keith Urban's "I'm In":

http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=2528

So what has Nugent actually said about modern country? Just curious; haven't come across anything along those lines. He sure does look (and, solo-wise, sound) pathetic in that John Rich video, though. Only thing I'm liking about the song is that the riff's got some ZZ in it.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Austin Statesman piece this morning about Kevin Fowler. Was not aware that he'd been a guitarist in 'twixt-hair-and-grunge metal band Dangerous Toys in the early '90s; never thought they were worth much anyway, but still. Piece also maps out a brief history of Texas frat country that I'd previously only vaguely figured out on my own: "latest in the line of Texas collegiate country crowd-pleasers that can be traced back to Jerry Jeff Walker, then Robert Earl Keen and Pat Green."

http://www.statesman.com/life/kevin-fowler-hitting-stride-and-the-charts-811538.html?cxtype=ynews_rss

xhuxk, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link

So what has Nugent actually said about modern country? Just curious; haven't come across anything along those lines. He sure does look (and, solo-wise, sound) pathetic in that John Rich video, though. Only thing I'm liking about the song is that the riff's got some ZZ in it.

He made some typically Nugent comment about country licks being pathetic, something you'd never hear coming out of his guitar. It might have been in early spring and I didn't save it at the time. Next time I go into Lex-Nex I might look for it.

Paradoxically, the Nuge does this instro called "Honky Tonk" with his old guitar teacher on the 6,000th show Motor City Mayhem thing from 2008 and it's fairly pathetic all by itself. He's commented in the pas that some of his good tunes are written around honky tonk licks, and that's true, but he sure can't play them without sounding hackneyed if he lays off the power and distortion. Which also reminds me of how he spends ten minutes of the concert "celebrating" his blues guitar heroes by doing the worst bar band blues number he can muster. And don't even ask about his imitation of Mitch Ryder. Which isn't to say the concert doesn't have its good parts, of which I'll comment elsewhere, but as a roots musician he surely stinks.

Maybe he didn't actually play the guitar on the Rich thing. You'd have to look on the album. What's the point in calling on Ted Nugent if he doesn't ... like ... do a Ted Nugent lick? Also note Sebastian Bach in that thing, he also of the expanding middle third. And like Nuge, now or still a Doc McGee managed act. Is Rich now handled by McGee?

But with someone like Dan Huff as a producer, Ted could make an momentarily entertaining if maybe not quite decent modern country album. It would have to sell as a novelty -- think Uncle Kracker -- unless he found a singer. If Jason Aldean or Nickelback can pass off those beats on CMT, anyone can do it I think.

Didn't much care for "Swingin'" and haven't yet heard the Urban thing.

Gorge, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link

And my take on John Rich so far is that he's now overcompensating. Re wanting to do this:

...now on a year or two long solo act kick, apparently so as not to have the psychedelic hippy, Big Kenny, always at his stage right.

Completely off base?

Now he wants to be a thin man's half-Montgomery Gentry?

Gorge, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link

"So what has Nugent actually said..." See my post dammit! If he has a hissy fit over "Sweet Home Alabama", gives an idee of his take on *Country*!

dow, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Two real good '80s pop-country songs, if anybody cares: "Radio Heart" and "If This Is Love," off Charly McClain's 1985 LP Radio Heart (#15 on Billboard country LP chart), which Metal Mike sent me a few weeks ago. He's sharpied on the back, next to "If This Is Love," the following: "Taylor Swift/Def Leppard chords (key of A)". Not sure if I hear that, exactly (lyrics are definitely more pro forma than Taylor's), but judging from this album (third best song: the understandably airier "Talking To The Moon" I think) and her '82 Greatest Hits (favorites probably "Sleeping With The Radio On" -- went #4, and apparently she liked radio songs --, "Men," and "Who's Cheatin' Who" -- covered lamely by Alan Jackson a few years back), I could see McClain intermittently qualifying as some kind of tentative proto-Shania, in her more pop moments anyway. Definitely a '60s AM/early '80s girl-groupy new wave/maybe Motown influence on some of these hooks; her husband Wayne Hussey (three so-so duets on Radio Heart) seemingly shows some adult contemporary r&b influence in his singing inflections. She's a real cutie, too, which also puts her in Shania's lineage. And hmmm, just noticed in Whitburn she covered (and had a #24 c&w hit with) Freda Payne's impotent-groom-on-wedding-night classic "Band Of Gold" in '84; hope Wayne (who married her that year!) didn't take it personally. Whitburn also says she'd toured with black country singer O.B. McClinton, which might somewhat explain the possible soul influence, and appeared on Chips, Hart To Hart, and Solid Gold. Never had a single or LP cross over to the pop chart, though, which is a shame because that clearly seems to have been the intention, and "Radio Heart," for one, sounds like it easily could've been an '80s pop hit.

Speaking of old sellout country, wrote up some longwinded thoughts on Bill Anderson's 1979 Ladies Choice -- probably the most country-disco album I've ever heard -- here a couple days ago:

(vintage) country-disco

Jerrod Neimann album is super entertaining, btw. Lee Brice is mostly boring me so far; need to listen to it more. Though there do seem to be some reasonably tough moments -- e.g., opening "Picture Of Me."

xhuxk, Friday, 23 July 2010 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Hoping I didn't scare Edd away with my Laura Bell Bundy defense above. (Fwiw, Edd actually describes how music sounds, and how those sounds work, as clearly and wisely as any writer I can think of. So I want to make it clear that how I interpreted his response to the Bundy record doesn't strike me as typical. Also, just like George with Currington and Colt Ford, there's nothing wrong with deciding not to delve further into an artist because you hate the video. Sure I've done it myself, many times.)

Anyway. Just got back from a "brisk" (actually I don't go very fast but whatever) morning bike ride, let myself accidentally get lost in a couple Austin neighborhoods I'd never been in before and then figure out my way back out in a different direction, fun to do on Sunday mornings when there's not so much car traffic to dodge, and then what do I see parked in front of a house on a street called Villanova Drive but Dale Watson's big fancy tour bus. That sure never happened to me in New York City.

Also worth noting: A couple days I ago I played back-to-back recently acquired (total cost for both put together: $0.50) copies of (sometimes covered by Barbara Mandrell) soul singer Barbara Mason's 1972 Give Me Your Love and country singer Joe Stampley's 1976 (though seemingly from the notes recorded/maybe previously released a couple years earlier) All These Things, and by a complete unbeknownst to me coincidence, both of them turned out to feature covers of "Everything I Own" by Bread. Wow, must have been a really popular song. Haven't decided yet whose version is better. (The Stampley also contains covers of the Box Tops' "Cry Like A Baby," the Four Tops' "I Can't Help Myself," and everybody's "Unchained Melody." Intereseting selection for a country guy. Apparently he had been in a "roots rock" band in the '60s called the Uniques; never heard them, but I've always imagined they were sort of Swingin' Medallions type Southern frat soul guys. Or, yeah, Box Topsish.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 25 July 2010 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Um, with Currington it's not a permanent deal-breaker. Colt Ford -- he gets the death penalty. The
mental image is too horrid, sweaty and gelatinous now, a pic of someone who eats lard from a can. And I'm usually not put off by unfortunate looks.

Gorge, Sunday, 25 July 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link

"sure can't play them without sounding hackneyed if he lays off the power and distortion" Only good with power and distortion = cornerstone of much rock we both love, I was gonna remind you, but your main point is that it was stupid of him *to* lay off, and thus he exposed his weakness in this area, rat? Must admit, re my previous unqualified endorsement of Chuck Prophet, I've now heard his most recent studio album, Let Freedom Ring, and discovered how sub-sub-sub-Dylan-y/Petty-y he can be, but about half of it's good-to-damn-good, esp when he's not trying to literally sound like Dylan, and assimilates Dylan's interplay of personal and political, as 60s electric stuff and sometimes more recently. Also Dylan-wise, got the lines that zing, in and out of context: "She was unwanted in 17 states", awww!

dow, Monday, 26 July 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link

I was gonna remind you, but your main point is that it was stupid of him *to* lay off, and thus he exposed his weakness in this area, rat?

Yeah, he was trying to do sincerity and be tasteful at the same time. He's terrible at both. His guitar teacher, who played with him onstage, did tasteful. Tasty = worthless on the big stage.

Gorge, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link

So can any historians in the house (Don? Edd??) explain to me why Greil Marcus calls Jesse Winchester "rockabilly" in the appendix in the back of Stranded? Just listened to 1989 Rhino/Bearsville best-of (14 songs, 1971-1981) again; I try ever few years to see if I'll suddenly understand what the big deal about the guy was. No luck, again, but the main thing is, damned if I can hear any "rockabilly" on the record. Definitely some stuff that borders on a white-folkie trying Negro spirituals (the opener "Tell Me Why You Like Roosevelt," which has subsequent verses about "Lester B" -- who??? not Bangs obviously -- and Pierre Trudeau, would fit into that category), but mostly I'm hearing gloomy folk, a lot closer to Gordon Lightfoot, who had much better songs not to mention was a real Canadian not just a sad Memphis kid dodging the draft there. (Melody that maybe reminds me the most of Lightfoot, "A Showman's Life" from 1978, might be my favorite.) So, is the rockabilly thing just because Jesse's from Memphis, and does songs about it, not to mention Mississippi and Biloxi? Or does it have something to do with being produced at first by Robbie Robertson and collaborating with Levon Helm? (Not that the mostly bland Band ever sounded rockabilly to me, either, but I can imagine maybe Greil making a case in Mystery Train that they were.) Or (best possibility maybe) is it just that the '70 debut LP (the one Greil includes -- gets a Winchester career-high A- from Xgau too) actually was rockabilly, on songs that didn't make the best-of? Inquiring minds want to know.

(And while we're at it, why did Christgau useta call James Talley "Western Swing"? He wasn't, either.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Fwiw, the Best-Of I have does actually include four songs from Winchester's debut ("Yankee Lady," "Biloxi," "The Brand New Tennessee Waltz," "Skip Rope Song"), but the LP cover lists them as 1971, not 1970 (the date both Marcus and Christgau use.)

And the Talley album that Christgau calls Western Swing -- Got No Bread, No Milk, No Money, But We Sure Got A Lot Of Love from 1975 -- is the one I have, and I'm pretty sure the only one I've heard.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Lester B is probably Lester B Pearson (Canadian prime minister pre-Trudeau).

pauls00, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link

No why Jesse W. might ever be described as rockabilly. His self-titled debut is by far his best that I've heard, though some good tracks on later albums, here and there. Even at his best, always a cell away from being too fey, or really self-pity (and/or depression?)is the basci complex, which can certainly be true of those considered much more macho. Or maybe the really really basic prob is limit of his talent and/or musical conception, since o course some others, from Hank Williams on down, can make the artistic and/or entertaining most of self-pity. But yeah, if somebody wants something very refined and reflective and chamber Americana (like I was hoping he'd get with John Cale, re JC's own early 70s Vintage Violence), then the self-titled debut is certainly worth checking out (also rec to fans of Nick Drake and John Martyn)Never heard the Best Of.

dow, Wednesday, 28 July 2010 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Anybody else read the Brad Paisley piece in this week's New Yorker? It takes several thousand words to say more or less the same thing I said in 200 in the Cleveland Scene, but it's moderately entertaining.

Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Wednesday, 28 July 2010 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link

As far as the Band being bland, their self-titled second album and Moondog Matinee, which is based on their pre-fame roadhouse sets, are prob the most jumping complete sets on their own. Also good funky tracks without Dylan included on The Basement Tapes (one of which even seems like a prophecy of early Steely Dan, though it's a Dylan cover: the one about "stranglin' on this telephone wire). Also, in mellower (if also Xgau's "sprung")sprung modes: Big Pink, and some good cover-bait on Stage Fright, Northern Lights-Southern Cross,good rehash with horns (plus good new cover of Marvin Gaye's "Baby Don't Do It") on Rock of Ages.
But maybe they were more consistent as a backing band.Hot stuff on Ronnie Hawkins' Arkansas Rockpile, and the spottier Mojo Man, both reissued as a twofer in 09 or 08, anyway I posted a pretty good description on whichever year's Rolling Country. Also as backing band on The Last Waltz (plus some of their own, like Garth's roller-rink title song, as the credits roll). And of course as D.'s backing band on Basement Tapes, Planet Waves, Before The Flood.

dow, Wednesday, 28 July 2010 00:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Haven't read either, but 200 words seems the more apt allocation for Paisley appreciation.

dow, Wednesday, 28 July 2010 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Was off in Connecticut where the only Internet access I had was sound-free. Also been spending time thinking about my old "PBS" rants from the first few WMSs ('87-'88), my notions never having been that thought-through in the first place, so I'm seeing if I can rethink them. One of my thirty or so arguments at the time was that what was going wrong in the '80s was that the "symbol was standing in for the event," so the music (esp. indie-alternative) would play the symbols of risk and innovation without being risky and innovative, would be intellectual without being intelligent, would symbolize rebellion without being rebellious, etc. Even though the argument was often correct, it didn't explain what it was meant to, which is why the music was bad - not to mention explaining how (or even taking into account that) the music could feel good to others. Edd, in his argument about Laura Bell Gundy not being "musical," seems to be making the same mistake that I was. If the people, e.g. me, who like "Giddy On Up" aren't responding to the music - which includes words and presentation etc., but can't get by simply on those things - just what are we responding to? It's not an argument or an idea to say that the song isn't music, it's just a placeholder in wait of an argument that Edd hasn't made yet. (Not that the fact that we respond to it makes the song good, necessarily, just that our response means that the song has something in it that we respond to viscerally.)

Btw, I never even bothered to look at the Gundy vid until the Jukebox convo, and when I did I thought the visuals were not much better or worse than cute but I can't imagine they made much of a difference one way or another to the song's reception (except to Edd, I guess).

(But I extremely doubt that you scared Edd off, Xhuxk. He doesn't seem the sort to scare easily, though he does disappear a lot to take care of other stuff.)

Frank Kogan, Friday, 30 July 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Hope (and suspect) you're right, Frank.

Anyway, here's a link to something I wrote for Rhapsody about what I called the 10 Most Overlooked Albums Of The Year So Far, though maybe I should have added "...And That Are Available On Rhapsody" and "...And That I've Actually Heard" and "...And That Aren't Reissues Of Old Music" and maybe "...And That Will Make This List Look At Least Somewhat Balanced Genre-Wise", but perhaps all of that goes without saying. Includes writeups of one album that could definitely be classified as country (Jerrod Neimann); of five albums that could probably tangentially be classified as country (Jace Everett, Luther Lackey, Slim Cessna's Auto Club, Reverend Peyton's Big Band, Intocable); and of four more that definitely couldn't (Traband, This Moment In Black History, Eddy Current Suppression Ring, Marrow):

http://blog.rhapsody.com/2010/07/overlooked.html

Also, my mini-review of Sheryl Crow's new album (which is okay, but I wouldn't really recommend):

http://www.rhapsody.com/sheryl-crow/100-miles-from-memphis#albumreview

xhuxk, Friday, 30 July 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Lee Brice album is growing on me, btw. Has lots of stuff I don't care about (at least not yet), but "Sumter Country Friday Night" has a real kick to it. And "Four On The Floor" might go further into a hybrid of country with funk/disco/danceclub-pop than anything else lately, possibly even including Laura Bell Bundy* or Colt Ford. People should listen to it (it's on youtube) and decide for themslves. Pumps up the jam, either way. And namedrops both Barry White and Waylon.

* -- Not Gundy, Frank! (Though I notice a couple typoed names -- not my own doing, actually -- in that Rhapsody post I just linked to, too.)

xhuxk, Friday, 30 July 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Also decided to give in and let myself like the Trailer Choir album, which feels only slightly less emotionally and musically lightweight than, say, Uncle Kracker (and features a guy even less lightweight, weightwise, than Colt Ford, so George should stay clear lest he throw up), but it's basically bubblegum catchy beginning to end. Just a really, really easy record to listen to.

Finally, if anybody's interested, here's my favorite Southern Soul/Chitlin Circuit blogger Daddy B. Nice, on the country past of Luther Lackey (who I wrote about in that Rhapsody post):

"God Help That Southern Boy," a new country-western song from an upcoming album of the same name, appeared in May of 2006 under the name of Luther Lackey. For anyone who doubted Lackey's far-reaching scope and brashness, the CD was a wake-up call, and for Southern Soul's insiders the song and CD will prove a litmus test.
Southern Soul artists "crossing over" into country music are rare but not without precedent. To name just a few instances, Bobby Jonz sings country, Sunny Ridell has played with Charlie Daniels and Willie Nelson; Candi Staton did a faithful version of "Stand By Your Man"; Sam Moore recorded a soulful duet with Conway Twitty of "Rainy Night In Georgia" that rivals the original; not to mention the work of the great Ray Charles himself.
It turns out Luther Lackey does have "another life"--or a previous life--as a local and/or nationally-aspiring country-western singer. See "Tidbits" below. It has been a dream of countless black artists, including the great Bobby Womack, to be another Charlie Pride, but most--including Womack--have failed.
According to an article posted in the "Jackson Free Press" in 2004, a year before the release of his debut Southern Soul CD, I'm Talking To You (2005), Lackey already had a "copyrighted" pure-country CD out called At Least I Tried. Printed across the label was the legend: "The Best Country Singer You've Never Heard!"
Your Daddy B. Nice finds this interesting in light of the recent success of Ms. Jody's country-tinged hit, "I Never Take A Day Off," and the arrival of aspiring country-western (and black) singer Tricia Barnwell, who does unabashedly country treatments of songs like "Sweet Home Alabama" and "The First Cut Is The Deepest." Even Bigg Robb's and Carl Marshall's recent remix of "Good Loving Will Make You Cry," while drenched in sythesizer-funk, had a country feel to it at times.
There's a lot of territory to be plowed on R&B's boundaries with country, and given the originality inherent in Luther Lackey's Southern Soul material, there seems to be no reason Lackey couldn't incorporate his love of country into his R&B songwriting.

http://www.southernsoulrnb.com/artistguide.cfm?aid=126

xhuxk, Friday, 30 July 2010 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link

Helps its user-friendliness that Trailer Choir's Tailgate is so short, though (32 minutes), and includes all four songs from their EP from a couple years ago, which I'd written about here:

http://blog.rhapsody.com/2008/07/woodbox-gang-trailer-choir-laugh-it-up-down-on-the-farm.html

xhuxk, Friday, 30 July 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Brice's "Sumter County Friday Night" starts chronicling a rumble between rival high schools and resulting black eyes, and has a sound mean enough to pull it off, which is pretty impressive. Also he has a tendency to slip in more emphatic moments (in this song, and "Four On The Floor" anyway) into a vocal inflection that sounds like somebody I can't place in '90s commercial rock -- Rob Zombie, maybe, or the guy from Collective Soul? Not sure yet, but it's way more effective than I would have guessed.

Other new album with some really rocking songs on it (among some that are less so, especially toward the end when he gets morose and dirgey and hopes his voice can carry things, which I don't think it can) is Randy Houser's imminent They Call Me Cadillac -- I mentioned the walloping drums in the opening "Lowdown and Lonesome" already, but there's also "I'm All About It," which might be the fastest recent country rock I've heard out of Nashville. Swings, too. And he likes slide guitar.

xhuxk, Friday, 30 July 2010 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link

"a sound mean enough to pull it off) I'll have to check that; reminds me that Link Wray's "Rumble" may be the only instrumental ever banned; supposedly(according to the 'thorities) was named for and became the theme song for gang fights, which is just what it sounds like (like, step up, get set and go off). As far as soul & country, Al Green did great versions of "Together Again", "For The Good Times", and I think he was on "Lay Lady Lay" with Anthony Hamilton and some others. Plus, Bobby Blue Bland, Solomon Burke, Arthur Alexander, Clarence Carter, Stoney Edwards (a tip of the Hatlo hat to Edd for turning me on to Stoney) and a couple of collections I still need to hear, Country & Rhythm & Western & Blues (or something like that) and the out of print box, From Where I Stand (or Here I Stand)

dow, Sunday, 1 August 2010 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link

And The Holmes Brothers times Mavis Staples gave an awesome ocncert, made my Best Live Acts on the Nash Scene ballot thatyear.

dow, Sunday, 1 August 2010 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link

But what I've really been meaning to mention (and then I'll shut up for a while) is "Learning to Live with Myself", a documentary about Merle Haggard, made for PBS' American Masters series. AM can be pretty puffy, but this was pretty candid. It didn'tmention (at least in the part I saw) his onstage denunciations of "Bush Wars" (as in Daddy Bush's original, plus W.'s Afghan and Iraq operations), around the time that "Dixie Chick" was becoming a verb. It did show him adding some anti-Vietnam War and anti-Watergate lines to "Are The Good Times Really Over. And it led through some landmark concerts and accolades,which he seemed genuinely moved and gratified by (ditto his family with somewhat stressed, earnestly devoted, though also pretty candid fourth wife)--to the point when he allowed as he also loved his compartment on the tour bus, because it was the same size as his cell at San Quentin, and was the only place he feels safe, other than the stage (this last an afterthought). That's one example, and apparently we can still watch the whole thing here, plus links to outtakes and extras:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/episodes/merle-haggard/watch-the-full-film/1605/

dow, Sunday, 1 August 2010 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Must've been unconsciously been thinking of former Knicks coach Jeff Van Gundy.

Frank Kogan, Sunday, 1 August 2010 06:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Recent tracks I've been liking:

Stealing Angels "He Better Be Dead": Dark doomy pickin' sets us up to expect deadly vengeance in the style of Miranda, instead we get three cutie-pies brooding in the aftermath of a love-'em-and-leave-'em one-night-stand. Tough stuff anyway, though the other tracks on their webpage smooth out too much on the harmonies. Managed and produced by Paul Worley.

Sunny Sweeney "From A Table Away": Woman in the shadows realizes she's stuck being the other woman. Good workaday sorrow, a rich voice that doesn't force things. I should check out Sweeney's album from a few years back.

Randy Montana "Ain't Much Left Of Lovin' You": Passionate sense of loss, reminds me of Neil Diamond's "Solitary Man," despite Montana's voice not really having the heft to carry it.

Jake Owen "Tell Me": More of the same, stronger voice than Montana's, solid mainstream licks, song not as distinctive.

The Randy Rogers Band "Too Late For Goodbye": Love fades, glad to see you go, etc. I could envision Sarah Buxton singing this - she'd do it better, actually, since it needs more of a girl's pout than a guy's whimper.

The Janedear Girls "Wildflower": I imagine that if the Spice Girls had ever gone country, they'd go for country that kicks like this. Would have given it more personality, too.

Frank Kogan, Sunday, 1 August 2010 07:26 (thirteen years ago) link

And these are worth a second or third listen (in potential order of preference):

Jennette McCurdy "Not That Far Away": A good Jennifer Love Hewitt kind of wail, though it gets lost in the arrangement.

Justin Moore "How I Got To Be This Way": Slack singing, but good rippin' rock-country riffs.

Lathan Moore "Beautiful Girl": Cheerful rock 'n' roll chug lite.

Darryl Worley "Keep The Change": Dumbshit full of passionate intensity.

Bridgette Tatum "That's Love Y'All": Strong soul voice, cute-free, though the song doesn't do her singing justice. Her MySpace features metal and funk riffs à la MuzikMafia, though I don't think there's any John Rich association - which is too bad 'cause she could use his songwriting.

Troy Olsen "Summer Thing": A summer's day, about ten years ago.

Boggy Creek "Boggy Creek": Southern rock w/ acoustic pickin' for the sake of pickin'; vocals surprise by going for rich alto rather than broad twang.

Frank Kogan, Sunday, 1 August 2010 07:56 (thirteen years ago) link


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