what i 'get' out of poll threads is mainly what dog latin described, the actual spectacle of rolling out the results is fun with everyone cheering for their own pet picks, and more importantly it helps me catch the best music that i missed out on the first time around, or prompts me to relisten to things that hadn't previously clicked for me
i don't really do 'strategic voting' except that occasionally i'll drop a really popular album that's guaranteed to place from my ballot to make room for something more unique (i.e. i think i left radiohead off my ballot in this one even though on most days i like it better than a few of my other picks)
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 July 2010 15:31 (fourteen years ago) link
xp i agree the albs list has been a snooze but since i've been reading ilm for like three of the five years being polled i'm not really surprised by this.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 12 July 2010 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm listening to Studio right now because of the tracks list. Hopefully there will be something new and exciting in the top 40 but that does seem kind of unlikely...
― skip, Monday, 12 July 2010 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link
xposts to Dan Perry - oh I'm not advocating strategic voting - no no no; it's just I did whittle my choices down to what I had and hadn't heard from the nominations and thought, well - I like a lot of these, but I'm not inspired enough to decide whether I prefer Merriweather Post Pavillion to Fever Ray, or whatever. Could've nommed, of course.
― village idiot (dog latin), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Studio was one of the best things in the tracks list and (I think) my second-highest vote to place after The Fall :D
― RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
tbh i think we got enough ballots this time around that #101-200 will be structured and interesting instead of just 'all the first place votes that didnt make it'
so i'm excited to see those at the end too
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 July 2010 15:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Even if the albums that you voted for don't show up. There are the full 1000 album lists that will show it placing somewhere. And the individual poster lists that will have these albums in your top 10. Somewhere at some point some young music nerd will come along and see that those meant something to someone and will them maybe possibly check them out. And that's why I vote in these things. Its for the kids. A few years ago I would just browse lists and check out a bunch of them. If you vote they will come.
― gman59, Monday, 12 July 2010 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link
totally agree w/dan re: why not voting b/c you think your stuff won't place is silly
what i get out of these polls: the pure pleasure of being prompted to listen to something i hadn't thought about in a while, thinking about new angles to old favourites, and of course it's amazing when other people discover for the first time stuff you're into.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link
and as far as the actual albums and artists that comprise these lists - obv it's not all to my taste but ilm's lists are ten BILLION times more interesting than any other site or publication's that i've ever seen, anywhere.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe some day someone who has trouble sleeping and drinks a lot of red wine and eats a lot of nyquil before bed will see that a bunch of people on this message board like Sunn O))) so maybe I should check them out.
― gman59, Monday, 12 July 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
IMO you can't expect too many new introductions in the top 100 (although I was turned on to M83 by the 2008 poll); that's what 101 - 200 is for
What you can expect from the top 100 are the albums/tracks that successfully reached the largest number of people, aside from the people trying to game a consensus.
I don't know, I guess my take is the ballot is what we put together, so if there are albums on it that are among your favorites, there's no compelling reason NOT to vote for them regardless of how popular they are. Eclecticism for its own sake isn't interesting; leaving off something you really like for something you like less but want to see represented seems... I don't know, I guess it seems dishonest to me? Like, if you rank the albums and lesser-known stuff is among your favorites that's one thing, but if you want everyone to hear all of this stuff that you don't actually like as much as the stuff everyone else already knows about, the place to do it probably isn't a poll of your favorite tracks/albums...?
― MOATY I'M HERE (HI DERE), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
well my grouching is idealistic and a mite gratuitous - ILM's lists are still much more interesting than most others I see, yes - and there's a lot of good stuff, as I've already said!
gman that's a good point - and I do hope that sort of thing happens. who knows, they may discover some REALLY obscure stuff while they're about it ;)
and Dan you have my solemn word that I rank it by favourite, not by obscurity, hence why Portishead might well be doing quite well out of my vote in this poll (SPOILER lol)
― RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Multiple xposts
yeah and like you said don't get me started on the strategic voting crowd
I don't get the strategic voting at all. Just vote for the albums/tracks you like best. If everyone did that the results could be surprising and very very good. No need to just vote for albums just so they might jump up from # 18 to #14 nor do you need to leave out stuff you feel embarrassed about voting for (like animal collective in the 2009 poll).The polls should be fun and that's it.
Not discovering stuff you hadn't heard that others really really love enough to vote for in a poll?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link
And it's just fun to put together lists of music you like. At least it's fun for me.
― skip, Monday, 12 July 2010 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link
xxp portishead's a serious #1 contender i think
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 July 2010 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link
The other thing about these polls is that the rolling discussion threads are all too massive for me to follow, so stuff that's been talked to death on them that pop up here are basically my crib sheet for catching up on them.
― MOATY I'M HERE (HI DERE), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link
and can I just say again that me not voting was really fucking stupid, like I had an album ballot that just needed to be emailed and I um just completely forgot to send it
― MOATY I'M HERE (HI DERE), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah it is fun, really! I guess the main 'hook' of mine for the rest of the poll will be supporting Portishead FTW but that's not by any means my only motivation. ON WITH THE SHOW, also yeah 'crib sheet' is a good way of putting it
― RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link
IMO you can't expect too many new introductions in the top 100
i think we've already seen a ton! róisín murphy being the prime example - artists who might be considered obvious choices to one end of ilm but who the other end would have no reason to have heard of.
sometimes, but i'm usually already aware of the majority of artists who place cuz it's sort of my job to have kept up at the time. i'll definitely be picking up the rhythm & sound album based on its appearance here though.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:47 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah whenever we get to the top 10/20 and people start listing the things which will surely be in it, there always seems to be a couple albums/tracks that i missed out on completely and it makes me wonder if they're coming from consensus on a rolling thread somewhere or whether i'm just completely out of the loop on popular music
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 July 2010 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link
well I said "can't expect too many" as opposed to "there won't be any" because yes, there are introductions to some acts that people haven't heard of or have overlooked; the situation I was arguing as being more common is that albums/tracks people have heard of in passing but haven't paid attention to pop up and so many people being into them prompts the wider audience to check them out
― MOATY I'M HERE (HI DERE), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link
C'mon ILM, let's do this for the kids
― 1967 Dragnet episode (Z S), Monday, 12 July 2010 16:31 (fourteen years ago) link
otherwise the kids will never hear about taylor swift
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 12 July 2010 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link
someday the next generation of ilxors will poll-thread our poll results
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 July 2010 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link
next generation?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 12 July 2010 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link
there will be an alternative half decade poll next year
and lj will still hate the results and tuomas will complain about lack of dance music!
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 12 July 2010 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link
the situation I was arguing as being more common is that albums/tracks people have heard of in passing but haven't paid attention to pop up and so many people being into them prompts the wider audience to check them out
Yes. I have already bought one album on this list on spec (SVIIIB) that I'd paid no attention to previously - and it's really great.
Pity they've turned into All About Eve on their new one though :(
― Jeff W, Monday, 12 July 2010 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link
also LOL at Dan's new screen name
Can't help reading it as a Nitzer Ebb tribute name.
― Hey Jabulani! Pope of four four two. (aldo), Monday, 12 July 2010 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link
ha I made that same joke on the spree shooting thread
― MOATY I'M HERE (HI DERE), Monday, 12 July 2010 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link
40. DJ QUIK & KURUPT Blaqkout (2009) [313 points, 17 votes]
http://hiphopmvp.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/quikkuruptblaqkout.jpg
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link
to recap...
100. LIL WAYNE Tha Carter III (2008) [181 points, 8 votes]99. SPOON Gimme Fiction (2005) [181 points, 9 votes]98. CAMERA OBSCURA Let's Get Out of This Country (2006) [183 points, 7 votes, 1 first place vote]97. RHYTHM & SOUND See Mi Yah (2005) [185 points, 9 votes]96. CARIBOU Andorra (2007) [187.5 points, 9 votes]95. BATTLES Mirrored (2007) [190.5 points, 11 votes]94. BOARDS OF CANADA The Campfire Headphase (2005) [192 points, 9 votes]93. NE-YO Year of the Gentleman (2008) [195.5 points, 10 votes]92. NEKO CASE Fox Confessor Brings the Flood (2006) [196 points, 8 votes]91. LOS CAMPESINOS! Hold On Now, Youngster... (2008) [197 points, 6 votes, 1 first place vote]90. SLEATER-KINNEY The Woods (2005) [198.5 points, 8 votes]89. VITALIC OK Cowboy (2005) [200 points, 10 votes]88. ART BRUT Bang Bang Rock & Roll (2005) [200.5 points, 6 votes, 1 first place vote]87. ANIMAL COLLECTIVE Strawberry Jam (2007) [203 points, 9 votes]86. BELLE AND SEBASTIAN The Life Pursuit (2006) [204.5 points, 8 votes]85. BAT FOR LASHES Two Suns (2009) [205 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote]84. FUCK BUTTONS Tarot Sport (2009) [206 points, 12 votes]83. SANTIGOLD Santigold (2008) [206.5 points, 10 votes]82. HOT CHIP The Warning (2006) (206.5 points, 12 votes)81. DJ SPRINKLES Midtown 120 Blues (2009) [208.5 points, 10 points]
80. LOW Drums and Guns (2007) [209.5 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote]79. WOLF PARADE Apologies to the Queen Mary (2005) [210.5 points, 10 votes]TIE 77. FUTURE OF THE LEFT Travels With Myself and Another (2009) [211 points, 8 votes]TIE 77. MADONNA Confessions on a Dance Floor (2005) [211 points, 8 votes]76. ELLEN ALLIEN & APPARAT Orchestra of Bubbles (2006) [212 points, 12 votes]75. YOUNG JEEZY The Recession (2008) [214.5 points, 9 votes]74. DAFT PUNK Alive 2007 (2007) [219 points, 10 votes]73. VON SÜDENFED Tromatic Reflexxions (2007) [220.5 points, 9 votes]72. AMY WINEHOUSE Back to Black (2006) [223 points, 9 votes]71. RACHEL STEVENS Come and Get It (2005) [223 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote]70. KANYE WEST Graduation (2007) [225 points, 11 votes]69. KELLEY POLAR Love Songs of the Hanging Gardens (2005) [225.5 points, 11 votes]68. LIARS Drum's Not Dead (2006) [229.5 points, 14 votes]67. TV ON THE RADIO Dear Science (2008) [233 points, 13 votes]66. ISOLÉE We Are Monster (2005) (233.5 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote]65. SCHOOL OF SEVEN BELLS Alpinisms (2008) [234 points, 15 votes]64. ROBYN Robyn (2005) [234.5 points, 9 votes]63. ANTONY AND THE JOHNSONS I Am a Bird Now (2005) [235.5 points, 8 votes]62. THE FLAMING LIPS Embryonic (2009) [236 points, 11 votes]61. GIRL TALK Night Ripper (2006) [236 points, 11 votes, 1 first place vote]
60. KANYE WEST 808s & Heartbreak (2008) [247.5 points, 12 votes]59. ARTHUR RUSSELL Love Is Overtaking Me (2008) [249 points, 10 votes, 1 first place vote]58. THE NATIONAL Alligator (2005) [258.5 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote]57. LADY GAGA The Fame Monster (2009) [261.5 points, 14 votes, 1 first place vote]56. YEAH YEAH YEAHS It's Blitz! (2009) [262 points, 14 votes]55. SUNN O))) Monoliths & Dimensions (2009) [263 points, 12 votes, 1 first place vote]54. PHOENIX Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix (2009) [265.5 points, 12 votes]53. GIRLS ALOUD Chemistry (2005) [271 votes, 8 points]52. HERCULES AND LOVE AFFAIR Hercules and Love Affair (2008) [272.5 points, 14 votes]51. PANTHA DU PRINCE This Bliss (2007) [280 points, 13 votes]50. THE FIELD From Here We Go Sublime (2007) [280 points, 14 votes]49. THE JUAN MACLEAN The Future Will Come (2009) [280.5 points, 12 votes]48. THE HOLD STEADY Separation Sunday (2005) [282.5 points, 11 votes, 1 first place vote]47. AIR FRANCE No Way Down EP (2008) [286 points, 11 votes, 1 first place vote]46. RÓISÍN MURPHY Overpowered (2007) [288.5 points, 13 votes]45. SPOON Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga (2007) [299.5 points, 14 votes]44. BEYONCÉ B'Day (2006) [304.5 points, 11 votes, 1 first place vote]43. LCD SOUNDSYSTEM LCD Soundsystem (2005) [308.5 points, 17 votes]42. THE NEW PORNOGRAPHERS Twin Cinema (2005) [309.5 points, 13 votes]41. CUT COPY In Ghost Colours (2008) [311.5 points, 13 votes]
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 July 2010 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link
I think I will be lucky to get one more of my picks in
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 12 July 2010 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link
really thought blaqkout would've been higher - was actually rooting for some kind of blaqkout/blackout tie, somewhere in the top 10
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 12 July 2010 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link
ha
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link
it would also be awesome, though less likely, if taylor swift's fearless and jazmine sullivan's fearless tied
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 12 July 2010 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link
blaqkout = a lot of votes but not a high average... there isn't an album with 17 votes or more until #30
spoiler alert but sufjan stevens and justin timberlake actually tied with their 'futersex/lovesounds' albums
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link
man a yearly Justin album based on the lives of the four other members of N'Sync would be awesome.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 July 2010 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link
the Chris Kirkpatrick album will be a snooze and a half
― MOATY I'M HERE (HI DERE), Monday, 12 July 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link
39. THE MOUNTAIN GOATS The Sunset Tree (2005) [314.5 points, 13 votes]
http://cdn.pitchfork.com/media/5456-the-sunset-tree.jpg
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link
au contraire, dude was livin it up:
In 2000, Kirkpatrick was in the music video "A.M. Radio" by Everclear.
xpost
― goth (crüt), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link
xp: local boy done good IMO
― MOATY I'M HERE (HI DERE), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link
haha I only voted for the latest one (which is rad and whose songs work exceedingly well in concert) - need to give TST a good listen at some point too
― RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link
it's rad
(newest one is super rad too, tho)
― MOATY I'M HERE (HI DERE), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link
I like The Sunset Tree but I've no idea why it's the consensus Mountain Goats pick. Get Lonely is leaps and bounds better. So's the one with the big gray mushroom cloud on the cover, whatever it's called.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:04 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i think i like heretic pride better most days but apparently i liked sunset tree better the day i voted for this
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 July 2010 19:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Prefer Tallahassee and We Shall All Be Healed; the first one you hear is generally the one you like best.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link
i find j0hn's music to be ridic. consistent though, i like or love all of his albums since 2000ish and it's really hard for me to pick a favorite
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 July 2010 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link