What is BLACK music? What is WHITE music?

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not having a beat /= not having a rhythm!

Isn't it a valid point to mention that the music which most people assume is 'black music' - and most people think of hip-hop and R&B here - actually contains too many non-black practitioners for that label to make much sense? You can't look at Eminem, Justin, Princess Superstar, J-Lo seriously and say they make black music.

I'm with the Lex here, this comment is the single most stupid thing I've ever seen on ILX.
Have you ever heard _any_ clasical music ever?

I think the fact that Zappa was an Italian-American is very interesting - even more interesting is the fact that he never really referenced it in his work

You'd think, but I quite often whistle thrash metal to myself so if he can hum u some gabba I'll let him off that one.

As for the classical, can anyone identify this from the ryhthm alone?

Da, da, da, daaaa!

Roland Kirk had a theory about jazz & rock music, that jazz was the rhythmic and spiritual musical instincts of African-descended Americans coming into contact with the scales, modes, motifs and whatnot of European classical music, and that rock music was those same emphasis-on-harmony-and-melody instincts of Euro/Anglo-descended Americans integrating these new-to-them rhythmic-to-the-point-of-sexual elements the African-descended folks brought to this continent with them.

I guess what I'm saying is that, although yes the terms are very appropriate in relation to the communities in which the style was discovered, it's not like white/black music styles have grown entirely independent of each other. I think there's been a great deal more cross-cultural influence in music (esp. American music) than most people give credit for.

Da, da, da, daaaa!

Beethoven Symphony #5.

-- Dan Perry (djperr...), September 23rd, 2003.

Where do I send your prize?

(It's a conductor's baton, for dictating the rhythm (etc) made from chocolate)

As for the classical, can anyone identify this from the ryhthm alone?

Da, da, da, daaaa!

Beethoven Symphony #5.

-- Dan Perry (djperr...) (webmail), September 23rd, 2003. (Dan Perry)

Correction Dan, I think you'll find that's a Trio song with an extr Daaa on it - your cd may be jumping, or a Russian may be expressing approval.

People are now back to discussing 'black' music again and still no one has definitively said what it is!

that was in my first post to this thread. I don't think it's a perfect definition, so if you disagree with it or think something needs to be added to it, I'm all ears. (eyes?)

peace

-- nickalicious (nza2342...), September 23rd, 2003.

Which means blues, rock and roll and hip hop aren't black, cause they come froom the USA where black people are a minority?

-- trife (...), September 19th, 2003 4:20 AM. (simon_tr) (link)

several years on this is still the most amusing thing i have ever read on ilx