Dizzee Rascal: Boy In Da Corner

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eh,ned,that wasn't actually chomsky,surely?

I dunno, I sorta like the idea that Chomsky is a prog freak! If it wasn't him it was a good choice of pseudonym.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 June 2003 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

Into my second listen..... what jess said.

stevo (stevo), Monday, 23 June 2003 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

have simon reynolds and dizzee rascal ever been photographed together?

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Monday, 23 June 2003 18:18 (twenty years ago) link

at - jess

The "hey" as heard on More Fire's LP is the trademark of Platinum 45 who produced that track, the More Fire LP and is a mate of Dizzee's.

He has, incidentally, a full Roll Deep Eskimo vocal special which is incredible.

martin (martin), Monday, 30 June 2003 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

ok on the copy I have ahem acquired, trk 1 "Sittin' Here" is less than 2 mins long and has an abrubt ending. is this how it's supposed to be?

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Monday, 7 July 2003 02:15 (twenty years ago) link

My "Sitting Here" is 4:05

ben welsh (benwelsh), Monday, 7 July 2003 03:20 (twenty years ago) link

I wanna refund!!

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Monday, 7 July 2003 03:25 (twenty years ago) link

but you paid nothing.

Josh (Josh), Monday, 7 July 2003 03:34 (twenty years ago) link

you can give me the disc back if that's what you mean

Josh (Josh), Monday, 7 July 2003 03:35 (twenty years ago) link

i think i need to wait until it gets cloudy and cold again to listen to this record

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 7 July 2003 03:38 (twenty years ago) link

if it's sunny you could just put your headphones on and glare at people a lot

Josh (Josh), Monday, 7 July 2003 03:41 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not sold on this album. It like it okay but it's no God's Stepson.

How do we know Chomsky is a music geek again?

ben welsh (benwelsh), Monday, 7 July 2003 03:48 (twenty years ago) link

:-O

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 7 July 2003 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

Is that the most literal album cover photo in a while?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 July 2003 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

bloody hell, pichfork gets it right for once... don't agree with a lot of what's actually being said but the mark is otm... as is ned

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 July 2003 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

big up my man scott pl. (still don't agree with a lot of it - this is a funny album you fuckers! - but yeah, i never thought i'd see a GOOD review [read: well written] of dizzee in the top spot at p-fork)

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 7 July 2003 14:34 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i think a lot of the criticism of dizzee (positive and negative) has been way wide of the mark and written by people who just don't get it (seeing it as dark, melancholy, thugged-out, bad-bwoy style and missing the humour, vulnerability and genuinely toucking, caring, emotive bits) but this review is tight, justifies itself and at least gets that this is a damned good ice of work. i am as surprised as you jess and happily so

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 July 2003 14:39 (twenty years ago) link

That's one of the best album covers ever.

Andy K (Andy K), Monday, 7 July 2003 14:41 (twenty years ago) link

The sleeve is terrible. I wish it was a cash money-esque photo shop masterpiece instead

ssean, Monday, 7 July 2003 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

nah this is no-frills, straight-up like the record... it works

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 July 2003 14:50 (twenty years ago) link

i can't wait for the nostalgic Pen & Pixel revival 20 years down the road

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 7 July 2003 14:58 (twenty years ago) link

It looks too serious and has an arty pretence.

ssean, Monday, 7 July 2003 15:00 (twenty years ago) link

I too make bunny ears when I want to be taken seriously.

Andy K (Andy K), Monday, 7 July 2003 15:07 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway, i'm glad someone's finally written about it in context of us hip hop AND east london, and not just kurt cobain and fucking david sylvain

ssean, Monday, 7 July 2003 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

Besides, the fact that the cover resembles Don't Say No much more than Tin Drum further necessitates the fact that Billy Squier should be talked about more than Sylvian.

Andy K (Andy K), Monday, 7 July 2003 15:21 (twenty years ago) link

Hey they stole my line!

"Over a bittersweet melody that sounds like a blend of an Oriental music box and a Lali Puna lullaby"


"as i have commented before on another thread - brand new day IS morr music or aphex from about 96. dont know how dizzee arrived at these off kilter melodies and skrucnhy rhythms, but it totally sounds like he just riding some instrumental lali puni track.
presumably he hasnt been buying morr compilations though."
-- ambrose (ambrosewhit...), June 9th, 2003.

ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 7 July 2003 15:28 (twenty years ago) link

because it's my favorite:

http://www.netzbrummer.de/images/cover/biz_markie.jpg

Markie's influence reaches farther than one may think! The intro track on that Soul Position EP was a straight jack on the Biz's take on "Alone Again."

I like scott's review, Pfork's rookie of the year.

ben welsh (benwelsh), Monday, 7 July 2003 16:30 (twenty years ago) link

Raggett very OTM (critics who don't shoutout to Squier in their reviews will get no love from me. and I'm still waiting to see someone spell out the "I Luv You" - "Oh Boy" connection).

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 7 July 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

I agree that was a very astute observation Ned!

Andy K (Andy K), Monday, 7 July 2003 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

scott is hardly a rookie

Josh (Josh), Monday, 7 July 2003 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

Pitchfork : Scott P. :: MLB : Hideki Matsui

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 7 July 2003 22:02 (twenty years ago) link

haha!

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 7 July 2003 22:05 (twenty years ago) link

DIZZEE RASCAL STABBED IN AYIA NAPA !
http://www.nme.com/news/105524.htm

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 10:21 (twenty years ago) link

How do you not "agree with a lot of what's actually being said" but then claim that the review is on the mark?

Dare, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

Five star review in the Guardian.

JoB (JoB), Friday, 18 July 2003 19:38 (twenty years ago) link

It is strange that I like the idea of Dizzie Rascal more than his music? err, I dunno. I guess I'm just torn on this record. It's very well done and very original but I don't know much it really gets at me. It's good music but it so esoteric I don't know how much it really appeals to me...

I'm confused. I keep listening to it though...so that's something.

ben welsh (benwelsh), Friday, 18 July 2003 20:03 (twenty years ago) link

I think the notion of Boy in da Corner as a five star album is quite absurd ... something deep down I think we're all aware of.

What is not absurd is the notion of Dizzee Rascal as a completely fresh voice, a five star artist who takes a position that has not already been mined to death (or perhaps a genre not yet over-critiqued, as Dizzee Rascal is not exactly a precedent setter, or is he?) ... I mean, one thing everyone must admit is that "I Luv U" sounds completely different to how you thought it would sound when you first read about it.

Personally, I'm really conflicted. I love recent UKG, but what exactly is it that exhalts Dizzee Rascal before your Nasty Crews, your {other members of} Roll Deep Crews? Is it that Dizzee won the race for a full-length, well-distributed album (pretty necessary for widespread critical acceptance)? No ... the album seems hurried, so he/XL/somebody was pretty sure he was pretty close to the finish line anyway. So is it the whole youth/honesty/freshness chestnut?

... still thinking ... mainly about the now-more-obvious-than-ever but more-confusingly-unsortable-than-ever relationship between the critical public and the general public ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Friday, 18 July 2003 20:52 (twenty years ago) link

SCREWFACE~

This album is fucking bananas. Dancehall 2-step crunk, beats that'd give Flat Eric whiplash, funny/morbid/hardass/vulnerable, murder murder murder. Cannot form coherent sentences. Outkast will have to bring Jesus, Mayfield and "Love Machine" Art Barr back from the grave to even come close. NGH. NGAAAH. BEAT COMA

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 18 July 2003 23:58 (twenty years ago) link

well, my work is done here.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 19 July 2003 02:00 (twenty years ago) link

haha!

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 19 July 2003 02:51 (twenty years ago) link

Having not heard much of the album I can't comment too heavily, but I think Dizzee is first among equals rather than way ahead of the game when it comes to garage rhyming. Kano at least is probably as good; Wiley certainly isn't (and indeed Wiley is symptomatic of the one pervasive trait that lets 90% of garage MCs down: thinking that ending each line with the same word for long stretches won't get boring - I mean we're not even talking Beanie Sigel second-to-last-word rhyming or Eminem-style internal rhymes) - if only all his rhymes were as good as his amazing, phenomenal rap on the Roll Deep mix of The Street's "Let's Push Things Forward"!

The Kano vs Dizzee comparison is also made easy and fun b/c you can use "I Luv U" and "Boys Luv Girls".

Nasty Crew is certainly shaping up to be the second group in the requisite two-groups-that-define-the-genre pairing. I think they've got slightly better quality control MC-wise than Roll Deep too, although Roll Deep will have a pretty fucking big trump card if they employ Harry Toddler full-time.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 19 July 2003 10:13 (twenty years ago) link

Heard it. First, a caveat: I may have to eat my words some day and I accept this. You never know what you're going to end up liking.

Now, to get off the fence, I agree with Fields of Salmon. However I like the less busy tracks a lot, they give the highly syllabic vocals room some room breathe. On some other tracks I was just listening to an overly fidgety, fussily cubased mixed, and it was mildly frustrating. Room to breath!

Radical? No way. As I had expected, it's heavily influenced by modern lo-fi dancehall but with some jungle influence.

Stop trying to get so excited people. It's good, not brilliant, you want to kill this guy's talent with too early praise?

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Saturday, 19 July 2003 10:28 (twenty years ago) link

what exactly is it that exhalts Dizzee Rascal before your Nasty Crews, your {other members of} Roll Deep Crews?

1. his multi-faceted persona
2. his voice
3. his auteur status. He's the only one who's a brilliant rapper and a brilliant producer
4. I Luv U

Keith McD (Keith McD), Saturday, 19 July 2003 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

OK, now who did that "I Luv U" vs. "Poney pt. 1" mashup again? Because all of a sudden it has become the greatest thing ever.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 19 July 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link

Holy shitbags it's taken me this long finally to hear "I Luv U" and it's...astonishing. What a fucking BANGER! More shouting please!

Bearing in mind it takes me a good two hours to download one track (terrible connection) which album tracks should I go for next?

I've got "We Ain't Having It" but in fact that doesn't seem to be on the album at all - anyone know where it's from?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 19 July 2003 16:38 (twenty years ago) link

Where to start? Sittin' HereI... Seems 2 Be... The next single will be Fix Up, Look Sharp.

JoB (JoB), Saturday, 19 July 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

Sittin' Here.

JoB (JoB), Saturday, 19 July 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link

I worry that the auteur status plays as big a part as Keith says, but I really think the reason dizzee's rised above the pack is "I Luv U"

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 19 July 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link


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