this guardian write-up makes the album sound kind of amazing
One should always take Lester with a massive pinch of salt, but actually all the descriptions on this thread, including from ppl who are slagging it off, make me want to hear this. (Full disclosure: involvement of Bertrand Burgalat is a selling point for me, not a "Run away, run away!" signal)
― Jeff W, Thursday, 29 July 2010 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link
i've found it's often the case, you can rave about how good something is until your mouth runs dry and no one will pick you up on it, but the minute you start frothing about how BAD it is literally everyone rushes to check it out
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 July 2010 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link
1. I want to hear this because of the way the record is being described and the comparisons being made with other acts (that I happen to like) and for no other reason. I'm not interested in rubbernecking a car crash. I'll make up my own mind if it's good or bad.2. Lots of people praising a record on ILM will create traction too.3. Please to check out Yakuza Heart Attack - I think they're great!
― Jeff W, Thursday, 29 July 2010 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Without Lies = great.
― piscesx, Friday, 30 July 2010 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Good Riddance reminds me of these 2 things:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQt622_lpWs&feature=related
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeFyD-JYWD0
― piscesx, Friday, 30 July 2010 01:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Was not expecting an album that sounded, in parts, like Jim Kerr side-project.
PS Love that All Seeing I track
― The great big red thing, for those who like a surprise (James Morrison), Friday, 30 July 2010 03:44 (fourteen years ago) link
jesus i think everyone who listened to and bagged on this album knows and sees the value in things like 'a wizard, a true star' or steinman and whatnot, it's that this album simply uses that as a basis for terrible indie-pop pastiche. don't let some delusional guardian writer fool you, this is modern indie pop through and through and most of it is embarassing. don't be fooled by a list of riyls, all those comparisons are really quite a reach and reek of promo-speak
― a lagoon par la mer (psychgawsple), Friday, 30 July 2010 05:30 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't hear any indie pop whatsoever on this album. I hear mid-80s US/Euro AOR like Cock Robin and Foreigner, synth-soundtrackers like John Carpenter, Goblin and Moroder, zouk, Boney M, maybe a hint of new wave - but not indie pop. There are very few references to modern hipster culture here - it's all harking back to mainstream European culture 1977-1992 as far as I can tell. Proabably why it's so cringey to anglophones.
― village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2010 14:50 (fourteen years ago) link
He's saying it's a hamfisted pastiche of the kind bad indie bands make, he's not saying it sounds like indie pop.
― Matt DC, Friday, 30 July 2010 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link
i still don't hear it. maybe (maybe) a hint of YYYs on one or two tracks, but other than that I hear no indie, pastiche or not.
― village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2010 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link
― Matt DC, Friday, 30 July 2010 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link
according to todays CMJ mailout this has been delayed until end of sept (27th as opposed to 6th)
wonder if this involves a quick remix/makeover of a track or 2 ..
― mark e, Friday, 30 July 2010 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link
i still don't hear the indie thing, matt
― titchyschneiderhouserules (s1ocki), Friday, 30 July 2010 15:09 (fourteen years ago) link
no me neither
― village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2010 15:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Maybe it just sounds like a bad indie band appropriating overblown 80s kitsch to me because they're so terrible at it. I don't think it's impossible to put together a great record that channels those influences but Aeroplane are pretty bad at it and it's mostly the quality of the songwriting that's to blame.
― Matt DC, Friday, 30 July 2010 15:23 (fourteen years ago) link
just want to point out that dog latin is also really feeling salem so grain of salt
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 30 July 2010 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link
xp thanks for the backup mattdc. this is what i meant, it reminds me of how indie and britrock bands reappropriate similar things in similarly uninspiring ways (though "we fall over" sounds pretty damn indie/paste magazine-ish to me and "without lies" is indie-electro. is that sky ferreira on both?)
also come now, goblin and carpenter and moroder only sounded like this at their worst, and boney m was a lot more fun (i hear some deodato in "my enemy", but i can't help but imagine that there was an electronic demo of that song at one point that wasn't so overwrought). and i do not hear any new wave in here at all sorry. definitely a touch of aor rock/foreigner tho for sure. the first thing i thought when i heard this was "this sounds like some dollar record from the 80s that i would have regretted purchasing".
― a lagoon par la mer (psychgawsple), Friday, 30 July 2010 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
no way - it doesn't sound like indie rock.
― village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2010 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
in seriousness - i'm not necessarily defending this album here...
...just saying it doesn't sound like indie rock.
― village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2010 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link
He isn't saying it does! This is exasperating...
― Matt DC, Friday, 30 July 2010 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link
but it doesn't.
― village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2010 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe people would like it more if it sounded more like indie rock.
― village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2010 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link
are you reading the words in between 'indie' or are you just sorta seeing that word in print and reacting here? no, it doesn't sound exactly like indie rock, but yes it is a lame pastiche of the same types of things indie acts make lame pastiches out of.
you're probably just taking the piss anyways tho so can we just move on?
― a lagoon par la mer (psychgawsple), Friday, 30 July 2010 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link
indie rock?
― village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2010 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link
okay, sorry - it's a slow work day today.
my biggest problem with this album isn't the limp genre experiments or the vapidity of the lyrics or the dearth of b@ng0rz ("My Enemy" aside), it's that Aeroplane's music used to have the most amazingly well-constructed builds and everything on here just kinda happens, then keeps happening for four or five minutes, then stops. I'd be 1000000% on board with an album full of John Carpenter/Alan Parsons/etc. ripoffs if the tracks resolved themselves as effectively as the Das Pop remix or the Coyote remix or the Low Motion Disco remix. but alas.
― TOM SHITTYBISSELL (jamescobo), Friday, 30 July 2010 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link
OTM
― jed_, Friday, 30 July 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Dorian interview with Vito
(Three weeks after we meet, the album leaks online and many fans of Aeroplane's club-oriented output to date bemoan the record's florid guitar solos and vocal melodrama. "I'm reading people's reactions," he tweets glumly. "They are pretty much awful …")
poor vito
― orakle-krake (Gukbe), Friday, 30 July 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link
have any other forums/blogs had so many people reacting negatively to this album? wondering if this thread is the main cause of that tweet
― NI, Friday, 30 July 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Nah, it got ripped a new one on t'Erol forum. I'd think, given the prevalence of well known DJs and producers as lurkers on that forum, that's most likely the source.
― procedurally generated pidyn (Masonic Boom), Friday, 30 July 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link
More likely still that Vito typed "Aeroplane album" into Twitter. I just tried that and everything prior to his now famous tweet is uniformly negative.
― Matt DC, Friday, 30 July 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link
The thread I saw on Erol's forums looked like it was written by 17 year old electro fans. One guy's main complaint was that there were too many instrumentals on the album.
― groovypanda, Friday, 30 July 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link
They are written by 17 y.o. electro fans. But that, unfortunately, is the market most people seem to be shooting for.
― pidyn pitch (Masonic Boom), Friday, 30 July 2010 20:04 (fourteen years ago) link
I didn't see this mentioned above, but here is Stephan's first mix as The Magician. I'm only about 5 minutes in and it's pretty good. For those of you crushed by We Can't Fly maybe this will help you feel a little better.
― bmus, Monday, 2 August 2010 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link
oh this is fun, thanks!
"beam me up, beam me up, beam me up"
What's that track?
― jed_, Monday, 2 August 2010 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Midnight Magic - Beam Me Up
So good.
― bmus, Monday, 2 August 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link
thanks for the id, great track.
― jed_, Monday, 2 August 2010 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link
diggin this. v sad to say i finally listened to we can't fly and it managed to live up to the hype :\
― my objective was to get the ham (another al3x), Monday, 2 August 2010 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Aeroplane Late July Mix
Featuring the Aeroplane remix of Chromeo's "Don't Turn the Lights On"
― orakle-krake (Gukbe), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Pretty darn good.
― skip, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link
"return to form" etc. Especially liking that odd italo version of Yalla Yalla wtf but pushing my buttons, natch.
― The Wicked Deadache (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
loooove this 'magician' mix, great track selection. makes you realize that there are plenty of people out there making the type of music i think most of us expected to be on the album. that ali love "smoke and mirrors" track is so excellent, same with "chain of diminishing returns" from a prior aeroplane monthly mix. also there is always classixx to fill this niche
― a lagoon par la mer (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 01:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow. That's the best monthly mix in absolutely ages. Wonder if it's a bit of a reaction to the reception the album got.
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 07:39 (fourteen years ago) link
almost finished the mix. love it. i mean, they're never great in terms of the actual mixing part, but really i suppose it's just a showcase of tracks rather than showing off dj proficiency.
chromeo remix sounds exactly as it should, which is great, because i hate that breakbot remix
― haido, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 14:22 (fourteen years ago) link
That Lindstrom remix of the Chemical Brothers track is everywhere right now, not sure what I think of it.
― skip, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
i think i love it
― the itsytitchyschneider (s1ocki), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
^ me too. it's on both of these new aeroplane-related mixes!
― a lagoon par la mer (psychgawsple), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:49 (fourteen years ago) link
definitely love it, well the first six minutes or so
― haido, Thursday, 5 August 2010 08:14 (fourteen years ago) link
what's that at ~38mins? sounds like the theme from the equalizer or something
― cozen, Thursday, 5 August 2010 09:08 (fourteen years ago) link
ah, knew I recognised it - simple minds' "theme for great cities"
― cozen, Thursday, 5 August 2010 09:10 (fourteen years ago) link