PSB beating the Bee Gees is fucking WRONG
― Party Car! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 August 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, they wrote better songs over a longer period. And recorded better albums.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 August 2010 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
no
― Party Car! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 August 2010 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I can name at least four great to near great PSB albums. The Bee Gees didn't make great albums, but there's great songs all over them.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 August 2010 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Bee Gees have like three decades of high quality work under their belts, at least four full-stop classic albums and every one of the Bee Gees is a damn sight better vocalist than Neil Tennant, whose range and tone are for shit. PSBs are better lyricists, I'll give them that. The production on the best Bee Gees stuff, which are very richly textured - beautiful, big budget arrangements - absolutely slays the tinny pre-set synths that dominate most PSB albums.
― Party Car! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 August 2010 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Shakes, haven't you admitted you haven't listened to the PSB besides "West End Girls"? How can you then say the Bee Gees are superior?
Neil Tennant, whose range and tone are for shit.
Demonstrably untrue on every level, if you've heard PSB albums.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 August 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
and you think PSB fans love'em solely for their lyrics? Come on.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 August 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
There is, however, a nice essay/post waiting to get written about the Gibb bros and Tennant-Lowe's writing/producing jobs for divas in need. Dionne Warwick and Dusty Springfield's careers intersect in interesting ways.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 August 2010 23:21 (thirteen years ago) link
nah I've heard the PSBs hits, and I think I had Very at some point in the last few years. they are by and large a band I grew up hearing on the radio, whereas the Bee Gees I discovered retroactively
― Party Car! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 August 2010 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I've heard little by the PSB but that's largely because what I've heard has left me wondering what the big deal is. But we'll get them in the next round, even if it means voting for a banda superstar.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 7 August 2010 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Queen 57Kenny Rogers 17
Elton John 49Lionel Richie 25
Madonna 63A.R. Rahman 11
Pet Shop Boys 47Bee Gees 27
― spicy racist sauces (Matos W.K.), Saturday, 7 August 2010 03:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Wiki Worldwide Sales Bracket POLL: GROUP THREE (of eight)Wiki Worldwide Sales Bracket POLL: GROUP FOUR (of eight)
Go vote! And thanks again to everyone who's been part of this so far.
― spicy racist sauces (Matos W.K.), Saturday, 7 August 2010 03:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Elton John over Lionel Richie people are the likely to be the most baffling group of this whole poll cycle.
― more lunacy and witchcraft! (kkvgz), Monday, 9 August 2010 12:44 (thirteen years ago) link
elton's early 70s career is solid, I'd vote for him over anyone in this group
― iatee, Monday, 9 August 2010 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, really? Did you like magically forget the demographic/taste center of this board when you wrote that?
― people are for loving (HI DERE), Monday, 9 August 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I forget it every time.
― more lunacy and witchcraft! (kkvgz), Monday, 9 August 2010 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno I wouldn't really call elton john an artist who caters to the demographic/taste center of this board anymore than lionel richie
― iatee, Monday, 9 August 2010 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link
seems like the board itself disagrees with you
― people are for loving (HI DERE), Monday, 9 August 2010 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link
well I meant like, in the sense of 'what would the average demographic be at an elton john concert?' - miles away from the ilx demographic, maybe not so different from the average demographic at a lionel richie concert.
― iatee, Monday, 9 August 2010 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I expected it to be close with Richie maybe taking it, but I guess I was letting Spencer Chow's first and only thread go to my head a bit there.
(forgot to vote and would've made it 26, fwiw, which is not a lot as 26 < 49, obv)
― rah rah rah wd smash the oiks (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 9 August 2010 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link
This is ILM; sexually-ambiguous British verging-on-glam rock will likely always be more popular than funk/R&B.
― people are for loving (HI DERE), Monday, 9 August 2010 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_04/EltonJohn5_468x230.jpg
'ambiguous'
― iatee, Monday, 9 August 2010 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think 'sexually-ambiguous british verging-on-glam rock' describes him outside of the word 'british'. his 'verging-on-glam rock' period is maybe half of one album and probably least appealing to those who actually like glam rock. I voted for him cause he has some A++ classic albums (before the donald duck years) and lionel richie only has a handful of songs I like. it is possible that ilm likes him for reasons beyond him being british and gay, I dunno, I can't speak for other peoples' votes. ej would have been crushed by, say, stevie wonder.
― iatee, Monday, 9 August 2010 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
my gf works (hopefully not much longer) at a fancy bookstore and their business seems to be elton john-centered, like he comes in a few times a year and buys 10k worth of books...two of everything, one for each house.
― iatee, Monday, 9 August 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
ej would have been crushed by, say, stevie wonder
I don't believe this for a second
― people are for loving (HI DERE), Monday, 9 August 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Me too (Madonna would finish second), and my tastes aren't usually either British or gay-identified, I don't think; they're probably more soul or funk, at least if you're talking older-school versions of those genres. (Bottom line is, Richie's career is just a whole lot spottier. One really good solo album, a good Greatest Hits album as part of his band before he went solo, and maybe a handful of other worthy singles, if that. Would maybe have picked him over Queen -- he's underrated as a singer, I think, especially in "Stuck On You"/"Sail On" mode where he verges on Kenny Rogers-type countripolitan -- but against Elton, given Elton's early '70s run, it's not even close. And Elton's probably underrated as a singer too, come to think of it.)
― xhuxk, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
stevie wonder made it to the top 8 in the other tournament! no way elton john's fanbase here is anything as hardcore as stevie's.
― iatee, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, it's not even close. Elton has at least twenty songs I care about, while Richie's got Can't Slow Down (don't care for the Commodores at all).
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 August 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
ILX 70s album poll - results
3 stevie wonder albums, 0 ej
― iatee, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
And actually, Elton's '70s stuff has plenty of soul influence (and some country) in it, too fwiw. ("Bennie And The Jets," "Philadelphia Freedom," and "Mama Can't Buy You Love" all charted r&b.)
― xhuxk, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
bennie and the jets? I always considered that his glammiest moment. (would take it over anything on ziggy stardust)
― iatee, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
"Bennie and the Jets" topped the R&B chart, I think.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 August 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
then there was Mary J. Blige's version.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 August 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess there's actually considerable soul-influence on elton's vocals
― iatee, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
(not nec w/r/t that song, but in lots of others)
― iatee, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree with that.
All I'm really saying is that Elton John's popularity doesn't surprise me.
― people are for loving (HI DERE), Monday, 9 August 2010 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
okay I can get that
also any chance to big up tumbleweed connection I'm gonna take:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKXDYMrIqTI
― iatee, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Dig the live vocals and the eventually abandoned pianomime on Bennie and the Jets. Philadelphia Freedom sounds like a total lip synch job though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSobF74JxYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqnDqrL5Y58&feature=related
― Mick's comedy barking (KMS), Monday, 9 August 2010 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link