(some accelerated turnaround bars of 7 in there)
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
okay i generally don't listen to the arcade fire but i am on the case
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
jaymc, are you counting 8th notes? here's why i think it comes off as tricky: there are bars of 5/4, but they always accent the "&" of 5 before the one, and don't really mark the one (at least in the drums). usually when people play odd times they hit the one pretty clearly, and you only hear that kind of anticipation in 4/4.
so, i hear the verse as alternating measures of 4/4 and 5/4, but downbeat of the 4/4 bars is anticipated by an 8th note. does that make sense?
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I believe Juliana Hatfield's 'Spin the bottle' is in 5/4.
― Neil A.Simpson, Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:45 (thirteen years ago) link
xp I guess that makes sense; I've always been lousy at counting off-beats.
― jaymc, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
It's been mentione upthread but just a moment ago I was listening to 'hey ya' and noticed for the first time it doesn't have a straight 4/4 time signature.
― Moka, Sunday, 5 December 2010 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
9/8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-YrTtYaCD0&feature=player_embedded
― Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 February 2012 04:09 (twelve years ago) link
I think we discussed this in another thread but there's a single bar of 3/4 at the end of the bridge in Beyonce's "Single Ladies".
― The Reverend, Monday, 20 February 2012 04:23 (twelve years ago) link
There was a really good article in an old issue of the English musicology journal Popular Music on the really free meter in some early Incredible String Band songs. "October Song" from the first album is a good example.
― timellison, Monday, 20 February 2012 04:29 (twelve years ago) link
And, interestingly, both of those guys did it. Try counting the meter in "Gently Tender."
― timellison, Monday, 20 February 2012 04:34 (twelve years ago) link
Pink Floyd - "Bike"
― everything else is secondary (Lee626), Monday, 20 February 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIkOVe0MF1k
― LeRooLeRoo, Monday, 20 February 2012 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
lots of early Pretenders songs boast unexpected time signatures ("Tattooed Love Boys") and chord changes ("The Phone Call").
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 February 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
Ignition (Remix) adds an extra bit of a bar here and there
― Alexandre Dumbass (dog latin), Monday, 20 February 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
Pop songs. I could list 20 songs from "Trout Mask Replica" if you just want songs with funny time signatures etc
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 20 February 2012 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
That's a great deal more obvious, though. If someone had pointed it out in a Donovan song or something, I wouldn't imagine anyone would raise that objection.
― timellison, Monday, 20 February 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
ha, we discussed this in great detail iirc
yeah but it's always even (like a two beat extension, standard pop stuff)
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Monday, 20 February 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
Plus, the main thing about that article was how extreme those ISB songs are.
"Painting Box" was released as a single from the 2nd album, is in 4/4, and doesn't sound like a different genre entirely from the songs that are all over the place metrically.
― timellison, Monday, 20 February 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
It's been mentioned upthread, but recently experienced firsthand that phenomenon of thinking a song might be in a weird time signature, The Smiths's "Oscillate Wildly," when actually it was on 4/4, but with the eighth notes grouped 3-3-2, which I guess is not actually that uncommon
― Can You Please POLL Out Your Window? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 February 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
i tried and failed to find that 'single ladies' discussion, but i definitely remember dan and i arguing about the bar at the end of the bridge.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Monday, 20 February 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe it's naive on my part, but I tend to defer to your judgement in these discussions since you're a drummer.
― Can You Please POLL Out Your Window? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 February 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
Devo's "It's Not Right" is I think 6/4, 2/4, 4/4, 2/4 during the verse, but there are variations in there as well where they omit the 6/4 and use 4/4. It's great.
On the same LP, "Snowball" is in 4/4 but it has an accent on the "and" of 4, which makes it sound like an odd meter.
― Johnny Hotcox, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
Wow, my ear sucked five years ago.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 November 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
Anyway, an obvious one that wasn't mentioned here: "Strawberry Fields Forever" (a bar of 9/8 on the title line).
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 November 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
Try counting this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODJ-AAmCM-A
― Johnny Hotcox, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
Will do when I get home.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 November 2012 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
the main reason that one is so hard to count is that there is counting in it
― drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 21 November 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
Ha, yeah they were messing us kids up
I think it's 7 - 7 - 4 - 4 - 3 - 3 - 4 - 4 - 2??
― Johnny Hotcox, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
It's two bars of 14/8 (or four bars of 7/8), followed by a bar of 11/8, then a bar of 15/8, then I think it's either 16 or 17 -- the transition to the bridge confuses me
― drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 21 November 2012 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
actually johnny's divisions make more sense
The vibe solo's in 4/4!
― Johnny Hotcox, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
Steel drums, rather
right, but there's a weird extra bar going into it I think
― drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 21 November 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
I mean extra beat
― drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 21 November 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link
Yes, that transition is very odd.
The Beatles' "Good Morning" is another fun one to count.
― Johnny Hotcox, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
ten, isn't it?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
No, it changes multiple times throughout the song. It's really wacky.
― Johnny Hotcox, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
Devo has some weird ones in their day. Never was able to figure out the first half of "Jocko Homo" though I believe it's 7/4. Todd Rundgren also messed around a bit on "Izzat Love?"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
Alan Myers from Devo rarely gets mentioned in 'great drummers' discussions but he was terrific. Even on "Freedom of Choice" they were still using a kit on almost all the tunes.
― Johnny Hotcox, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
yeah and that drummer they brought in to replace him couldn't do the same things, they had to slow songs with trickier rhythms like "Satisfaction" or "Whip It" way down. though they're now touring with Josh Freese and from what I've seen he's really a very good drummer, but he plays Devo a little too straightforward. Alan was key to Q: Are We Not Men's success to me, the drumming really amplifies the nervous and skittish feeling of the songs.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
Man, Rush's "Limelight" is great. I've heard it so many times but never tried to count it until now.
― Johnny Hotcox, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
The Pinball Song can be counted like
4 3 4 3 4 4 3 3 4 4 34 4 4 3 4 4 4 514 bars of 4 followed by one bar of 24 3 4 3 4 4 4
But the ending makes it clear that it should actually be a division of 8.
― wk, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
A few Lennon's already mentioned, but Don't Let Me Down alternates 5/4 with 4/4. He uses that trick a few times
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
come to mention it, Here Comes the Sun has odd bars of 3/8 amid the 4/4
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
How about "Bubbles" by the Free Design, is it 15? The 'bridge' part is in 7, I think.
― Johnny Hotcox, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
seems like 8/8 to me with some bars of 7 and some bars of 6
― wk, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
Intro:8 8 8 78 8 8 7
Verse:8 8 8 78 8 8 78 8
Chorus:8 8 8 88 7 8 88 7 8 8
Bridge:8 6 8 6 8 6 8 6 8 6 8 8 8
― wk, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
or if you like to add stuff together into needlessly large numbers...
16, 15, 16, 1516, 15, 16, 15, 1616, 16, 15, 16, 15, 1614, 14, 14, 14, 14, .... then what? 16, 8? 24? silly.
― wk, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
Dionne Warwick's "Anyone Who Had a Heart": It goes from 3/8 to 2/4 to 4/4....in the first line.
This has been bugging me. Just sounds like straight 6/8 to me. I pulled out my Bacharach songbook and they notate it as alternating bars of 5/4 and 4/4 which is insane. You could easily count the whole thing as 3/8, but it also makes sense to do6 3 6 6 66 3 6 6 6 and then straight 6/8 for the chorus
― wk, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
Re: 15, I meant I was hearing one less 16th note, counting it as 4/4, but after listening again that's not right. How do you count 8/8? ONE two three ONE two three ONE two?
― Johnny Hotcox, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link