― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Sunday, 18 July 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 18 July 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Sunday, 18 July 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 18 July 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link
but yeh despite the absence of Keith and a more electro-vibe the album still feels targetted mainly for teenage nu-metal casualties which would explain why both Ronan and Alex In NYC are not feeling it, heh
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Sunday, 18 July 2004 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link
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― Sasha (sgh), Sunday, 18 July 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― snotty moore, Sunday, 18 July 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 19 July 2004 01:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 July 2004 05:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 19 July 2004 05:32 (nineteen years ago) link
Prodigy fans; simply twist a bit of rolled up newspaper and dip it in petrol. Hey presto! A Twisted Firestarter! Perfect for barbeques, bonfires, etc.
― Sasha (sgh), Monday, 19 July 2004 06:31 (nineteen years ago) link
LOOSERS
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 08:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 10:52 (nineteen years ago) link
I never said Underworld still have "it" or whatever, I don't think they do and I'd be pleasantly surprised by a new album from them being any good, or at least being relevant, I guess in Underworld's case I could imagine them going off on an interesting tangent.
But the Chemical Brothers, well it's like I said, there was praise from all corners for that Kylie remix, from people whom you'd not expect to bother with the Chemical Brothers as well as from fans. And crucially it was played in clubs and it was a REMIX. Can you imagine the Prodigy remixing anything?
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 July 2004 11:05 (nineteen years ago) link
Regardless of quality, that simple fact proves their distance from dance culture. The Chemical Brothers will still release a single and it will have high profile remixers on it cos it'll still be intended for clubs.
fwiw I think Star Guitar is close to their best track ever anyway.
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 July 2004 11:06 (nineteen years ago) link
i think for breaks/electro DJs NOT to play 'Girls' would be a bit daft myself (but i don't know what the latest cool breaks tracks are so maybe they are a bit more advanced/'new'/whatever)
Howlett has done remixes so of course I can imagine them (club cred more debatable). Nothing recent tho granted but I've always wished he would do more. Can't remember a Prodigy remix since DJ Hype's mix of 'Smack My Bitch Up' - yes he seems reluctant to permit remixes - arrogance? preciousness? maybe!
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 11:12 (nineteen years ago) link
probably one of the best for me too. the main difference I've noticed with the Chemical Brothers over the years is the move from fuzzy sample-heavy (even just the funk snares or whatever) bombast to the more microtronic refined clubby style - but I really liked that new thing I heard at Glastonbury with the dramatic schizoid martial-arts fanfare type thing.
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 11:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link
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― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link
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― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link
heh, this could just as readily be aimed at Dan and I i fear...
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link
it's absolutely not, though!! where's the mentasms?? where's the rush?? even "smack my bitch up" had those crazy ascending synths that seemed to be on every track on the 1st two albums. the new one just sounds like out-of-date nu skool breaks tracks.
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link
"Girls" itself is a great track but the majority of the album doesn't live up to it. It's nice enough but isn't nearly enough fun to listen to as previous efforts; half the tracks seem unfocused and unfinished.
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link
Now if I wasn't going to have to read about this toss as a dance album and see it featured in dance sections all fucking year then maybe I could just say "ok who cares". But that's not the case.
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link
great constants of dance of constants of great dance?? either way that doesn't sound like much of a good reason for Howlett using them again (why retread older ground as opposed to old ground??!)
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link
oh come on! 'Girls' is a DANCE track, i'm sure there are others on there too. of course Prodigy should still be written about in dance mags. perhaps the crick for some is they'll get equal (ok probably more) coverage in Kerrang. but if Orbital are covered by dance press still then Prodigy definitely should be.
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link
x-post it's barely a dance track. too caught up its in own identity.
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 July 2004 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 July 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 July 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 July 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 July 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link
sorry but this is insanity. if people can dance to Freq Nasty, Pilgrem, Stantons, Plump DJs, Jedi Knights then they can dance to this. it's not even that far away from 'Satisfaction' really - imagine a 4/4 over it if you must. i understand the 'dated' argument perfectly but you seem to be getting at something else which i don't recognise at all - the 'being tired of Prodigy being regarded by too many people as at forefront of dance' is also understandood but who does that now? really? THAT's irrelevant. only...Prodigy singles have a habit of this 'problem', caught between stools as the singles from MFTJG and FOTL were too (Paul Oakenfold played 'Skylined', Jon Carter played 'Mindfields', just as two examples but generally Howlett seemed the outsider, either too pop or not enough). Same thing seems to be happening again, but really I'm only re-iterating my comments on NYLPM here.
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link
and it may be music you can dance to but it doesnt seem like dance music,there are no tracks as suchdunno specifically what song people are talking about but i cant imagine any of the tracks been played at a rave or anything,wheras all the classic prodigy tracks ive heard at raves and parties,even up to smack my bitch up
i suppose i shouldnt judge it on one listen,but i cant imagine being arsed listening to it againi'll probably end up hearing it somewhere though
― robin (robin), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 02:26 (nineteen years ago) link
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― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 08:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link
No--I would just out and out dismiss it and never give it a second's thought again (if I ever even listened to it in the first place). It's a lousy record no matter how you look at it.
If you like this than there's no reason why Fat and Jilted shouldn't wallop you into the 25th century. Experience is equally awesome but in a different way.
― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link
Wasn't John Cage doing this type of thing in the 40s/50s?
― mentalist (mentalist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jimmy Gator, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:57 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.onelife.com/evolve/zda1470.jpg
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― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 09:28 (nineteen years ago) link
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― :| (....), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link
i just found this in my cd's. maybe i'll listen to it later.
― Creeztophair, Thursday, 17 July 2008 01:09 (fifteen years ago) link
It's not as bad as everyone loves to pretend it is, and "Girls" is vastly underrated.
― Stevie D, Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:08 (fifteen years ago) link
by and large one of the wrongest threads on ilm
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 17 August 2017 11:19 (six years ago) link
classic: the mashup of Breathe & Stop vs Rex the Dog's remix of of Girls that I made and played out a bunch of times in the mid-2000sdud: the Prodigy's careers post-Breathe
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 17 August 2017 11:38 (six years ago) link
This record fucking sucks.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 17 August 2017 11:52 (six years ago) link
I thought the whole Prodigy thing was fucked by this point - Howlett obviously had a creative block and didn't know which directiom to go in, Flint had let success go to his head a little bit too much, Maxim was off doing whatever the hell he was doing and the Thornhill had departed - not that this had much of an impact, mind.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:01 (six years ago) link
*direction
I forgot this existed tbh.
I remember a friend claiming Invaders Must Die was a return to form, I didn't believe him.
― chap, Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:07 (six years ago) link
a good friend 10 years my younger claims the Prodigy only really got good after Fat Of The Land. He hears Jilted Generation as sounding flat and lacking 'oomph', and (according to him) the songs take too long to get going.
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:12 (six years ago) link
he's heinously wrong of course, but it's an interesting take
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:13 (six years ago) link
I've met American Prodigy 'fans' who were unaware they had any albums before FOTL.
― chap, Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:19 (six years ago) link
Sounds like your friend is coming at them from a rock rather than dance angle.
― chap, Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:20 (six years ago) link
Invaders Must Die has some FANTASTIC material on it.
I don't remember the last time I played AONO, maybe that should be today's soundtrack.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:38 (six years ago) link
otm.
― mark e, Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:57 (six years ago) link
Sounds like your friend is coming at them from a rock rather than dance angle.― chap, Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:20 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― chap, Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:20 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah I think he first encountered them as a pre-teen during the nu-metal era. Some sort of high-impact activity he was doing at the time, and one of their latter albums was the soundtrack.
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 17 August 2017 13:34 (six years ago) link
both this one & Invaders are really good records. I love Fat but had very little invested in the band otherwise, the feeling I get from people who hate on later Prodigy is they have very specific if-you-grow-it-will-be-in-this-direction expectations of the band. they're basically just big-beat rock and roll albums though. that is cool w/me. they're really good big-beat rock and roll albums.
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 17 August 2017 15:39 (six years ago) link