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So wait, DMX is a novelty rapper now?

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Id say Mingus is on about equal regard with Sun Ra if a little bit less, but you might seek that thread someone posted about Sun Ra's drumming.

Period period period (Period period period), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

AV Club in having a shitty music section shocker.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

you gotta remember, a large segment of the American public only hears rappers' names a lot when they get arrested. check the spikes in news reference volume:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=dmx&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

hahah not tryna 'hasten the cam backlash' or anything, like i said in the original post i can see the rockcrit world has kinda moved on from this by now (at least our superfuturistic cutting edge ilm/pfork/vvoice world, i think alt-weeklies in utah or whatever still jock dr octagon over "trap-hop") but its still a mode of rap listening used by alot of listeners and if you check more populist sources like amazon.com reviews or whatever youll see it really hasnt lost any steam since the 90s heyday of omg-isnt-odb-kuhrrrazy

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost al i think that just means a large segment of the american public only SEARCHES for rappers names when they get arrested - i been down with x since flesh of my flesh but i dont google his name every morning for shits n giggles

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

more non-rap examples - m.j., bobby & whitney, rick james post-chappelle

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i separate this from dudes who seem to actually care enough about rap to love the dullest stuff

Oh, I get it, this is all a parody.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

is this the same thing that goes on in every genre (brian wilson, tori amos, etc) & im just pissed by how it goes with rap?

I think this is the key sentence/question; I don't think the impulse behind the type of appreciation you're talking about across these various genres is appreciably different. People like watching "crazy" people, regardless of whether they're actually crazy or not. The point where it gets murky/tricky is when you wrap race baggage up with the already existing "I like looking at things that resemble train wrecks" baggage; people start ascribing craziness to ethnicity/gender (see also the cult of Tori/Kate/Laurie for examples) and then everything becomes a total "seriously, did you really just say that with a straight face?" cringefest.

Dan (Good Question) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

the google search volume isn't really spiking at the time of those arrests, though, at least not nearly as much as the news reference volume. which means that probably a lot of normal adults who read the newspaper but don't listen to hip hop radio only hear about guys like DMX hwen they get arrested.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

There is a big big difference between "novelty" and the cult of mental illness though.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

dan surprisingly otm

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, I don't think that "They're Coing to Take Me Away Ha Ha" dude was actually crazy.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

eppy my point was theres a difference between omg-people-under-the-stairs-bring-back-real-1993-boombap-and-lyrics & omg-deltron-hes-from-SPACE!!!@@ and only recently has there even been a number of critics in the non-rap press who take creating modern rap music as something you can succeed or fail at on its own terms

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh OK, fair enough.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean its non uncommon for a rock dude to jock both anticon & little brother but aside from not bein "mainstream" they got nothing in common

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

no but there's definitely a point where the "crazy" persona of the artist gets incorporated into an appreciation of their work (cf Phil Spector, aforementioned Brian Wilson, ODB, Kool Keith, etc) and in many cases informs their work on a literal level (ie, Keith rapping about being crazy, Brian singing about getting fat and sleeping a lot, etc.). I don't think "novelty" is really the appropriate musical term to use here, insofar as it has specific genre associations.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I still think it's weird that you have to love the dull stuff rather than simply pay attention to the dull stuff to qualify. I don't think liking the novelty ends of genres is necessarily a problem.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

(uh x-post - ref'ing "They're Coming to Take Me Away Ha Ha" upthread)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

oh rabin http://www.avclub.com/content/node/48244

Make 'em say "Ugh..."

We used to call this guy Master P-nis. Get it?

I sure do miss those chintzy, Photoshopped album covers, though. Everybody was jocking that "fresh off the color copier at Kinko's" look.

Comment by: SnowWhiteTrash at May 10, 2006 - 8:57am

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

"Seriously, he’s the Ronnie Dobbs of hip hop."

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

(everything you need to know about the onion av club in one sentence)

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i had to look that one up - ugh!!!

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00009ZPU7.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

"THE ULTIMATE SPOOF ON REALITY!"

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

The dismissal of DMX's music is annoying, but the line about the 747 cracked me up. Celebrities of all creeds & colors get the "we love loony" treatment in the VH1 universe, though.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

is cam really crazy?

jäxøñ (jaxon), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

pen & pixel covers were sweet wtf!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

to be fair, it's not like black people and/or serious hip hop fans are never guilty of the "omg he's crazy" mentality. I'm sure if you checked a rap message board thread or barbershop conversation about DMX these days you'd hear a lot more "lol at that crackhead" than "X is a hero of the people and the man is keeping him down" (although in the late 90s it probably would've been more of the latter). still, the rappers that garner the most respect from the average rap fans are generally calm collected T.I./Jay-Z types who seem rational and in control even when they're beefing or getting arrested, not wacky ODB types.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

to be fair, it's not like black people and/or serious hip hop fans are never guilty of the "omg he's crazy" mentality.

If I'm not mistaken, Nathan Rabin is black.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

haha wait, I'm wrong. Never mind.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I LUV THAT CRAZY SHIT HOOK ME UP WITH SOME OF THAT CRAZY SHIT EMINEM IS BUGGIN' DID YOU HEAR WHAT HE SAID ABOUT HIS MOMZZZZZZZZZZZZZ LOL!

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.mediabistro.com/mbtoolbox/original/nathan3-thumb.jpg

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

^^^ nathan.jpg

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

dan OTM, basically.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

interview with Rabin

What's the difference between something being "off the hizzity" and "all gravy train"?

Well, I'm no E-40-type cunning linguist, but "all gravy" is like a state of utter contentment, while off the hizzety simply means that something is the bomb diggity, and perhaps "all gravy" to boot. Incidentally, all my slang I borrowed from William F. Buckley. That brother got soul by the pound.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

alex otm about Commentary Tracks Of The Damned, btw. The only Onion-related thing I search out these days.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

You're a devotee of Ebay. What are some of your favorite purchases?

I'd have to say my favorite ebay purchases have been the ones where after I received the item I said to myself "Now why the fuck did I want this in the first place?". Such items include a 2Pac can cooler (for all those instances in which you need a thug in your life to keep your cans cool) and a Dream Warriors sand sieve. The Dream Warriors, incidentally, were a Canadian rap group that rapped about rolling the twelve-sided die, which makes them, officially, the coolest people ever.

Who is killing all the great chefs of Europe?

I think they all died from inside jokes run amok. Also, George Segal was involved. Also, Hootie. Have you seen that Hootie is trying to re-invent himself as an R&B lover-man? His new single is even called "Wild One", as in "I, Hootie, the doughy poster-boy for wussy folk-rock stylings, fancy myself a wild one on account of my lascivious and decadent lifestyle". Well, I tell you something, Claire: I'm twice as wild as Hootie. Maybe even three times as wild.

You have written for B.E.T. Did you have to pretend to be black like the guy in "Soul Man?" I assume that's how your name appears on the "Anarchist People of Color" website as well.

No, no, I'm afraid I did not have to engage in any comical mischief to write for BET. I may have to engage in some comical mischief if they're ever to pay me however. I hope this interview makes clear just how much time and energy I devote to thinking about when I finna get paid. Also, how much I care about the babies.

What's a nice Jewish boy from the Midwest doing knowing so much about hip-hop?

Claire, I'm from the streets, so it's second nature for me to kick knowledge about the rap game, which, incidentally, is alot like the crack game. No, honestly, I've always been attracted to the genre's anti-authoritarian bent. Also, the sheer number of big booty freaks currently waiting for a brother such as myself to get his mack on old school. All of which is to say that we should all put the interests of the children first.

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never actually heard an mf doom album. i'd probably like it though. i liked kmd. i wanna hear that rugged dude too. doesn't he eat people on stage? i really like the new yo gotti album and he's crazy fuckin' boring.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

COMEDY. (XP)

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

MF Doom is pretty boring once you get past the mask.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

anybody remember the shitty onion feature 'god gives shout back to all his niggaz' from like 5 or 6 years ago?? it had rabins smarmy fingerprints all over it, evident in all the shouts to backpacker garbage & paul barman on the stone tablet graphic

xpost doom = occasionally dope producer, competent-to-grating mc

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

part of the reason these guys get press is the cute photos. Gnarls is taking that one to the bank.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

people still read The Onion??

Unlimited Toothpicker (eman), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

i hate that awkward overrhyming bullshit he does - wait why did dude just say 'scrappy doo is gonna break the china'? oh now hes saying 'happy you got on a fake vagina', very clever

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't believe this thread is still going after Jess pointed out "Hey, people like iconoclasts!"

And rappers totally cater to this line of reasoning any way (see RZA posing in a straitjacket on the cover of some magazine, and Kool Keith getting all bent about it)

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

so is this the thread where we make fun of and what's reading comprehension skills, or...

bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

where did i say rappers dont cater to it?? i said in my first post its a contrived, constructed thing - my question was how come it gets eaten up by rock-press/casual-rap-fans/etc over a million other rap personas

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

the cult of Laurie has bubkes to do with the cults of Kate and Tori, Dan

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

i say!

and what, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link

All-time classic Passantino post there.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link

3. People who primarily listen to a certain type of music (in this case, I guess, indie rock, but I've known just as many who were into emo, trance, metal, and more) but listen to hip hop when they aren't really in the mood for whatever their chosen "serious" music is, like at house parties, certain club nights with offensive themes in certain parts of New York City, and wherever else they might be kicking back and drinking and/or doing drugs.

if only being a tokenist was actually this cool.

bnw, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Are you not familiar with the horrors of Kill Whitey Night?

The Reverend, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link

i listen to a lot of rap during Kill Whitey Morning & Afternoon (ie my commute)

gff, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link

i hate that awkward overrhyming bullshit he does - wait why did dude just say 'scrappy doo is gonna break the china'? oh now hes saying 'happy you got on a fake vagina', very clever

-- and what (ooo), Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:31 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

still like doom but this is L.O.L.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Zwan, you're the elusive Type 4 whose favorite craaazy rapper is Fred Durst.

-- Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:09 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

not to pat myself on the back but lol @ this (and at jess's screenname at the beginning of the thread)

Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 16:00 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Buzi father of Ezekiel

mkcaine, Monday, 14 April 2008 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link

CRAZY ILXORS

The Reverend, Monday, 14 April 2008 23:58 (sixteen years ago) link

PPS I am also the proud owner of a "CRUNK'S NOT DEAD" Neigborhoodie

-- bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:38 (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 00:10 (sixteen years ago) link

CRAZY ILXORS

-- The Reverend, Monday, 14 April 2008 23:58 (Yesterday) Link

REV OTM

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 01:12 (sixteen years ago) link

-- CERTAIN TYPE OF RAP LISTENER (whineyg), Wednesday, 17 May 2006

in light of the best album of 88 poll lol @ this

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 02:08 (sixteen years ago) link

i coulda sworn i was on this thread but come to think of it i was prob intimidated

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link

would love to revive this for more discussionz but im too!! busy!! some tard plz say something we can argue about for 400 posts :-)

and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 13:42 (sixteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1603642/20090127/lil_wayne.jhtml

Wayne is the most interesting rock star in the world. By a mile. In fact, here's an even better one: He is Axl Rose. It's not that great of a leap. Both could kindly be described as "eccentric" (or full-blown batsh--). Both promised (threatened?) to release ill-advised vanity projects, neither listening to the doubters who sniggered that it would never happen and the advisers who said it would be a terrible idea. To extend the comparison, Wayne's Rebirth is basically Rose's Chinese Democracy, minus 15 years and millions of dollars. ("Prom Queen" actually sounds like one of the more industrial tracks on Democracy.) It will probably garner the same reception, both critically and commercially.

and what, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link

why didn't i make the connection before?? it's so obvious

Tracer Hand, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link

is Lil Wayne an anagram of something rude?

O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 30 January 2009 16:00 (fifteen years ago) link

"alley win"

and what, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link

wily anel?

O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 30 January 2009 16:07 (fifteen years ago) link

wine yall

eman, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link

"wallin' 'Ye" could describe his relationship with Kanye West

some dude, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link

http://i40.tinypic.com/av4pxf.jpg

eman, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:10 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.mtv.com/sitewide/images/u/icon-voteu.gif 0%

eman, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

goonie goonie moony juney purple spoonie killa noonie

sodamrongerbot (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 March 2010 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link

there are some funny gifs on that blog but goons could do much better if we knew how to gif

hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 26 March 2010 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I keep copying posts and every time I scroll down to paste them in the goddamn post box I see another post I want to copy instead and now I'm typing this bullshit

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 27 March 2010 00:10 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

goonie goonie moony juney purple spoonie killa noonie

Mary Ty$ Band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 14 October 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link

this thread somehow remained unbumped through the whole Lil B era

Mary Ty$ Band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 14 October 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link

lol

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 14 October 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link


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