Speaking of lovely, I am swooning over the new Finley Quaye. It's definitely not everyone's cup of tea, but every once in a blue moon, when it's on, it's ON! Damn!
― Mickey Black Eyes, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Michaelangelo - maybe I shouldn't be snobbish about compilations such as a arte de, but I got exasperated in Brazil with record shops thinking that back catalogue meant putting loads of compilations on the shelves.
Interesting that you put Sakamoto on your Brazilian compilation?!!?
Mickey - thanks for all your recommendations and comments. Brasilia - bloody mad place and frankly not very likeable, but i know where you're coming from. I follow what you say about futurism/optimism, but so much Brazilian music is drenched in melancholia. They don't seem to care about people seeing their dirty washing!
― Daniel, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Carlos Lopes, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ron, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Daniel, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I had 'Tropicalia 2' but I sold it fairly quickly - it sounded a bit clean to me.
Does he do his own whistling? Because the whistling is fantastic on 'o Leonzinho' or whatever it's called.
― Sister Disco, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Paul, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― daniel, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/veloso_caet_todocaeta_101b.jpg
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 3 February 2003 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Monday, 3 February 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― christoff (christoff), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
Um, I know it's been a few years, but Daniel are you done with the mundane crap yet? I find your's and Mickey Black Eyes' comments about the Brasil and Japan parellels really interesting, and I think France could also be added to these comparisons.
(I think i may have just made some connections about one of the reasons I like foreign or really cheesy styles so much)
I second Sister Disco's sideline.
― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 6 October 2003 03:01 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Monday, 6 October 2003 03:19 (twenty years ago) link
Anyway, yeah I just recently purchased Bicho and Joia, and I quite frankly cannot believe how great they are!!!!!
Joia in particular is a fascinating record; a cycle of miniatures which are all really affecting and impeccably arranged. I've always been a fan of Caetano but it may very well be my discovery of this record which catapulted him into genius status. He has an amazing ear for pure sound - knows the way fundamentally simple instrumentation can create perfectly rich sound worlds. He knows what he's doing.
Bicho is totally cool! It's Caetano going funk and it's extremely great! I saw him live last year and He performed "Gente" from Bicho! It was great; he fuckin' rules!
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 6 October 2003 03:25 (twenty years ago) link
"Gente" is a GREAT song
― Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 6 October 2003 03:28 (twenty years ago) link
Caetano Veloso - Livro, Domingo, Cores Nomes, Joia, Eu Nao Peco Desculpa( I've already got a few self-titled ones and cinema trans)
― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 6 October 2003 15:38 (twenty years ago) link
I stand by my callthat livro is the ninth bestalbum ever made
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:29 (twenty years ago) link
I've also acquired Livro and Joia. The revival of this thread has been great as I have omitted to seek out Cores e Nomes, but shall rectify that asap. I agree with your call, A Nairn, about French music being added to the list. The chanson was the first sentimental music I ever admitted to liking and it works by dint of its being French.
It's funny to re-read Mickey's post on futurism above, after all this time. I wonder if his Blue Eyes had been blinded by Brasilia (Niemeyer and his sexy pavilion?). I'm not sure if the Japanese model quite applies to Brazil, but there is such freshness infused in the Brazilian aesthetic. Certainly not sure if the Thievery Corp is necessarily the answer to all our prayers.
― Daniel (dancity), Monday, 6 October 2003 19:58 (twenty years ago) link
― leigh (leigh), Friday, 11 June 2004 12:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Tim Ellison, Friday, 11 June 2004 13:39 (twenty years ago) link
It hasn't been dispatcehd yet though - is this a good place to start?
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:50 (twenty years ago) link
― dleone (dleone), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago) link
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Kevin Erickson, Saturday, 12 June 2004 06:28 (twenty years ago) link
Anyway - HELP ME I CAN"T STOP LISTENING TO CAETANO VELOSO
― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Saturday, 26 June 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 26 June 2004 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Sunday, 27 June 2004 02:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― no opinion, Sunday, 27 June 2004 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Brad Laner (Brad Laner), Sunday, 27 June 2004 04:37 (nineteen years ago) link
I MUST KNOW IF ANYONE BOUGHT THE BOXSET ???
― Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 27 June 2004 04:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― no opinion, Sunday, 27 June 2004 06:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 30 June 2006 03:12 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/v/veloso_caet_caetanove_101b.jpg
― timmy tannin (pompous), Friday, 30 June 2006 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 30 June 2006 03:24 (seventeen years ago) link
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― el juan (el juan), Friday, 30 June 2006 04:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 19 October 2006 01:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 19 October 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link
"Canto do Povo de um Lugar" from Jóia just keeps being the best piece of music I've ever heard. The cover of "Help" on the same album and "Tudo tudo tudo" are also fairly spectacular. Probably the only musician I venerate (I usually find that practice fucking ridiculous).
― jim, Thursday, 21 June 2007 00:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh the last two tracks from Jóia are also brilliant. I really can't talk about Caetano enough.
― jim, Thursday, 21 June 2007 00:33 (sixteen years ago) link
"Ce" reminds me in spirit of Gainsbourg's "Melody Nelson" record. Same grotty guitars (albeit much better produced)and similar vocal stylings.
― kwhitehead, Thursday, 21 June 2007 00:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I love how Caetano's vocal gets thinner. There is real pathos in some of Ce, like minhas lágrimas, hearing the same man you've heard as a carefree youth all these years in his classic records starting to be somewhat damaged and aged.
― jim, Thursday, 21 June 2007 00:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Search for the three minutes of cutesy happiness that is Um Canto de Afoxé!
― blunt, Thursday, 21 June 2007 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link
About Todo Caetano — I don't have the box set itself, but I've purchased some individual discs from it on Ebay. The mini-LP style repackaging is nice; some of the discs are remixed/remastered in a way that is usually quite sumptuous but tends to remove the bite from the drums (maybe a compression issue?), especially on the first (1967) and second (1969) eponymous albums. The '67 album also has a couple of tracks out of order.
I would search Muitos Carnivas (jolly & festive), Muito (quiet and pacifying) and of course the great Tropicalia: Panis et Circensis. The compilation I have is Antologia 67/03, which has a lot of great music and non-chronilogical sequencing that doesn't make a whole lot of sense; not a bad sampler, anyway.
― eatandoph, Thursday, 21 June 2007 02:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Wow I didn't even know of the existence of Ce.
― Daniel Giraffe, Thursday, 21 June 2007 07:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Man, I really kinda hate Ce now. But Caetano continues being the most important solo artist in my life. Listening to Cavaleiro a lot recently. Pop legend, knows so much (and shows it) about Brazilian music. Also is so conscious as he plays with the male/female role with Brazilian numbers.
― what U cry 4 (jim), Monday, 29 December 2008 03:58 (fifteen years ago) link
gonna throw that on now, thanks thread
prob discussed earlier but his autobiography is great, recommended
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 02:42 (eleven months ago) link
yep, I'm brazilian! I'm from Pernambuco, northeast
but I'm living in NYC for the last 6 years.
Verdade tropical is all time. the prison chapter is just heartbreaking. but a lot of what makes it great is also in the chapters about his youth and formation, and his love of joão gilberto. it's such a great microcosmos on what his vision (and everybody else near him, to be honest) was like
― fpsa, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 03:25 (eleven months ago) link
agreed, and iirc it discusses that same manifesto?
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 03:31 (eleven months ago) link
yes, it does. the manisfesto is a huge thing here – it all relates to an idea of what constitutes modernism for Brazil, a few decades out of being under Portugal and being a nation, and facing industrialization and what constituted our identity.
macunaíma, the novel, is a clear manifestation of these ideas early on – it's pretty clear the connection here to Tropicáliahttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/07/books/mario-de-andrade-macunaima-apprentice-tourist.html There's also the movie from 69, recently restored https://mubi.com/films/macunaima https://www.bam.org/film/2023/macunaima
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1973 was a great year for weirder, bold albums in general - here's a cool collection of them: https://musica.uol.com.br/noticias/redacao/2013/07/03/experimentalismo-censura-e-partes-intimas-artistas-revelam-segredos-de-5-capas-classicas-da-mpb.htm
joão donato - quem é quem. rip, just died today, a rã is brazil in less than 3 minutes. bossa nova heavyweight/pianist extraordinaire goes funky and moody. a lot of counterpoints, syncopation but so tight and breezy.milton nascimento - milagre dos peixes. if you love rock bottom, r. wyatt, and the most floating/wordless stuff beach boys done such as surf's up or cabinessence, go for this asap. gal costa - índia (<3 relance)araçá azultom zé - todos os olhos (best(? sad really) song ever about torture and hopelessness, the title track here)walter franco - ou não (nww list record, warped mpb/rock record)paulinho da viola – nervos de aço (samba-canção from the greatest)luiz melodia - "pérola negra" swinging/moody popsoulrock record, Rio de Janeiro at 3am, boozy melancholy vibe. amazingjoão gilberto - s/t (the white album)tim maia - st (tim in front of a forest) party record all timeNovos Baianos - Novos Baianos F.C.the satwa record (hometown shoutout!)
― fpsa, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 04:02 (eleven months ago) link
see also: Marconi Notaro!
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 04:18 (eleven months ago) link
true
― fpsa, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 04:20 (eleven months ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=336724227486111 <- caetano doing some of his araça tour on br tv (this program was Elizeth Cardoso's program. She was the first to record bossa nova https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQZrsKhSm-w)
― fpsa, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 04:40 (eleven months ago) link
Thanks for all the context fpsa. I'd heard about antropofagia within the tropicalia context but didn't know where the concept came from originally.
All I've heard about the movie Caetano Veloso directed is it's nigh on unwatchable, anyone caught it?
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 10:01 (eleven months ago) link
Hardly anyone managed that in Portugal I think
ummmm, have you heard quarteto 1111's "ode to the beatles" ?!
(just kidding)
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 17:55 (eleven months ago) link
lol I have but am surprised you have as well! I guess Quarteto 1111 might come across the radars of psych diggers? Certainly frontman José Cid never stops mentioning his prog album showing up on some Japanese best of list
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 20:32 (eleven months ago) link
Araçá Azul -- wow! Talk about a record with a sound that doesn't match the cover art.
― Terrycoth Baphomet (bendy), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 18:03 (eleven months ago) link
haha yeah
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 18:32 (eleven months ago) link
does anybody know what the lyrics are to "Gilberto Misterioso"?
when i sing it to myself i normally go
gil hing gil hee gil ha jeenyo
― budo jeru, Thursday, 20 July 2023 01:40 (eleven months ago) link
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, July 18, 2023 3:32 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
i can't really remember how i came across them but yeah it was probably on one of many "worldwide psych" benders. "os monstros sagrados" is a great track!
― budo jeru, Thursday, 20 July 2023 01:42 (eleven months ago) link
Sol ré /// It's a play on musical notes (G is Sol, and Sol is also Sun in pt-br) and Ré (D and also backwards)Sol-ol /// Just aliteration on Sun again here
Gil engendra /// You prob know this is Gilberto Gil, but the rest is just a ref to a poem from Sousandrade, a wacky/weird modern poet – engendra means engender, to produce, spawn something. So, Gil produces...Em Gil rouxinol /// ... In(inside?) Gil nightingaleGil engendraEm Gil rouxinol
Great song. Reminds me of Red Crayola in a way, but Caetano goes all the way on these micro/minimal songs with full wordplay on other poetry/folksongs. Transa has something kinda similar to this as well.
― fpsa, Thursday, 20 July 2023 02:43 (eleven months ago) link
you can also go deep here! http://lendocancao.blogspot.com/2019/09/gil-engendra-em-gil-rouxinol-gilberto.html
― fpsa, Thursday, 20 July 2023 02:46 (eleven months ago) link
My cats went batshit for that song. Not a real rouxinol, guys!
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 20 July 2023 08:30 (eleven months ago) link
right, okay, it's coming back to me (?)
i'm guessing gilberto gil must've been nicknamed "rouxinol" at some point
https://i.discogs.com/r9cCGopnifM_TeraxlczLibNIlbXaVi7z3q5vLk_x7U/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:586/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTU2NDc1/OTgtMTM5ODg4NDU0/MS02NTg3LmpwZWc.jpeg
― budo jeru, Thursday, 20 July 2023 22:20 (eleven months ago) link
ok blogspot post leads to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt1yv-c8a54
― budo jeru, Thursday, 20 July 2023 22:28 (eleven months ago) link
<3
― fpsa, Friday, 21 July 2023 00:59 (ten months ago) link
Seeing video clips of his current US tour and wishing I had been back in town to have seen him last night in dc area gig at Strathmore. They’re now saying this is his last US tour. Oh well, at least I have seen him a few times before .
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 14:18 (two months ago) link
When I saw that he was touring, I was bummed that he wasn't coming to Chicago. Or maybe he is and I somehow missed it?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 14:31 (two months ago) link
the show is great, saw him at BAM. HOWEVER!!! Historical revisionism now makes brazillians sing along to "You don't know me" but when he plays fucking Cajuina almost no one does!!! I mean, I love Transa – but people, for the love of god, there are other Caetano records lol.
― fpsa, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 14:53 (two months ago) link
i like both of those songs but it's much easier for me to sing the songs that are in a language i know how to speak ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 16:51 (two months ago) link
although i will cop to yogurting quite a bit to caetano's music, lol
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 16:52 (two months ago) link
I don’t think you missed a Chicago gig Josh, looks like it was just an east coast and west coast Veloso tour
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 17:32 (two months ago) link
budo jeru, I have no qualms with english-speaking fans - but BAM was packed with Brazilians tho!!! And my larger point is – Transa became in the last 25 years something of a OK Computer for regular listeners, and becomes really boring to see people hyping it to the extreme while completely disregarding the rest of a huge catalog. And Cajuína is a hit! From a even bigger successful record, Cinema Transcendental (a hit about suicide and the loss of a son, but still, such a pretty song)
― fpsa, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 20:55 (two months ago) link
(the listeners who disregard everything but Transa in the post above are again, BRA listeners. most US/Europe/Japan fans love Caetano all around mostly)
― fpsa, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 20:56 (two months ago) link
it's a pet peeve of mine, sorry. it happens with other artists as well – people who only love Tábua de Esmeralda but not all Jorge Ben, or people who love Racional Vol1 but don't listen to Tim Maia. It's similar to someone saying they love Dub but can't listen to Reggae - gtfo!!!
― fpsa, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:03 (two months ago) link
right. i mean, i have basically never heard anyone talk about Transa so i don't even know what it would be like to have your experience. i have heard Cinema Transcendental many times and, while i like it, respectfully i don't think it comes close to Transa. but that's a bit like saying this or that painting doesn't come close to the Sistine Chapel or something (sorry if i'm inadvertently adding to the hype)
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:20 (two months ago) link
haha no worries. I love Transa, it's one of a kind, but it's just 1 part of Caetano
Cinema Transcendental punches above the weight for me in several songs – Cajuina, the title track, Lua de São Jorge. I heard this songs in the radio, it's not that fair, I do love them a lot. It's a poppier/breezier side to Caetano for sure. I associate it with a general type of light MPB tracks for the early 80s that, in a larger sense, became what people associate with MPB as a 'genre' for a long time
― fpsa, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 22:41 (two months ago) link
btw, he was touring recently a show playing Transa in full again – so there's some hope he does that show here as well (but with a diff band – you almost need a hardcore/grind drummer for a track like Neolithic Man! true freak folk <3)
― fpsa, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 22:44 (two months ago) link