I say a yay on Xenakis and Stockhausen because they probably won't make it into the top 100 anyway (but deserve to).
― Captain Ahab, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Come to think off it they'd probably fare better on the ALBUMS poll though... I also doubt they have a chance at breaking the top 100 but still...
― Moka, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link
oh boy
― ('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Oni Ayhun - OAR-003BUnderworld - Born SlippyAphex Twin - Bucephalus Bouncing Ball
― bike chain dust? (lukas), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:57 (fourteen years ago) link
thread totally incomplete
― you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:00 (fourteen years ago) link
sorta convinced this was a trolly exercise?
― you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:01 (fourteen years ago) link
oh look it's mr techno expert deej
― lao gan ma (r1o natsume), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:03 (fourteen years ago) link
?? ive never claimed to be a 'techno expert' altho i prob know a lot more stuff (altho more chi house related) than u realize, its just that this is a huge gigantic genre & i dunno a "ROCK MUSIC" nominations poll would seem equally daunting 2 me. i mean, we have fukkin four tet nominated and no one yet mentioned the percolator
― you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link
when i think classics of 'techno electronic ambient' i think of max tundra but not any derrick may!!
― you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:10 (fourteen years ago) link
but w/e have your fun
― you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:11 (fourteen years ago) link
"thanks, democracy!" - DA HOOL
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:53 (fourteen years ago) link
that's supposed to be a quote, not a nom
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link
the agony of bungled zings
tbh i am w/ deej on this, reading the nominations so far has really dampened my enthusiasm for the thing
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:56 (fourteen years ago) link
basically my issue is the pointless eclecticism
like maybe if we had a conversation about how "the bells" stacks up to "the percolator" or source direct to photek or "mushrooms" vs "in the trees" or whatever we'd be able to do some meaningful inquiry, get at what makes a genre tick and dissect it's conventions and values
fuck, we could even indulge ilm's pathetic boner for poptimism and do "energy flash" vs "sandstorms"
but instead we're descending into the dank anus of record-collector nerdery, and in the end we're going to get kluster next to kompakt next to kenny dixon jr and we'll pat ourselves on the back at a list only slightly less lame than the one in "losing my edge"
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 02:04 (fourteen years ago) link
lol'n p hard @ "meaningful inquiry"
― swagula (Lamp), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 02:09 (fourteen years ago) link
can't we do this after the poll?
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link
i would like to point out that the notion of an ilm poll results thread ending with every clapping each other on the back and saying, "good show, everyone" is pure fantasy considering poll results threads have likely led to destroyed friendships, uncalled-for epithets, and murders yet to be solved.
― ('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link
descending into the dank anus of record-collector nerdery
obvious 'new board description' comment here
― ledge, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 08:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Here's some noms from me:
Love Inc. - R.E.S.P.E.C.T.Laurent X - MachinesK. Hand - Horizon (Original Mix)Hardfloor - Once Again BackPaperclip People - Paperclip ManEllen Allien - BimAir Liquide - ChromoplasticsAir Liquide - Space BrothersAir Liquide - Liquid Men with Liquid HeartsAir Liquide - Liquid Air (Bionaut Mix)Gemini - PelargoniumIan Pooley - Chord Memory (Daft Punk Mix)Hell - BerimbauHell - Let No Man Jack4 Hero - Wrinkles in Time4 Hero - Universal Love (Goldie Mix)Genaside II - Narra Mine2 Lone Swordsmen - StickyNeotropic - Laundry Pt. 3All Saints - Chick Fit (Kissy Sell Out's Excellent Adventure Remix)Josh Wink - Higher State of Consciousness (Tweekin' Acid Funk Mix)Charles B - Lack of LoveDigital - Special MissionHerbie Hancock - Rain DanceSparks - The Number One Song in HeavenDonna Summer - Love To Love You Baby (Come On Over To My Place Version) Patrick Cowley - Sea HuntSylvester - You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)T Power - Thirteen Over ForCarl Craig - At LesRythim Is Rythim - Nude PhotoModel 500 - No UFO's (Vocal)Jonzun Crew - We Are the Jonzun CrewRotterdam Termination Source - PoingTechnohead - I Wanna Be a Hippy (Original Mix)Nonplace Urban Field - WhimpSkrupel feat. Dani B - Reminder (Director's Cut)Touch and Go - Would You...?Marusha - RavelandJam & Spoon - Odyssey to AnyoonaYello - Bostich (Westbam's Hands on Yello Remix)Jahcoozi - BLNPole - Raum 1 (Variation by Burnt Friedman)Alter Ego - Cyaz Pt. 1Lazonby - Sacred Cycles (Jens Mahlstedt Mix)Nicolette - No GovernmentThe Bionaut - VitagraphRhythm & Sound feat. Tikiman - What a MistryAnne Clark - Our Darkness (Hardfloor '97 Version)
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 08:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Modjo - LadyMoloko - Sing It BackAeroplane - WhispersAir France - No ExcusesEd Rush, Optikal & Fierce - Cutslo (Lokuste Mix)Fuzzy Logic ft Egypt - In The MorningHot Chip - Over & OverArmand van Helden - You Don't Know MeArmand van Helden - My My MyBucketheads - The Bomb!KLF - 3am EternalThe Orb - Little Fluffy CloudsAfrika Bambaataa - Planet RockCyber People - Void VisionPaul Hardcastle - Nineteen2 Unlimited - No Limit2 Unlimited - Get Ready For ThisT2 - HeartbrokenShy FX - Shake Your BodySmoke City - Underwater LoveSo Solid Crew - 21 SecondsPuretone - Addicted To BassStardust - Music Sounds Better With YouThomas Bangalter - I Got So Much Love To Give
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 09:00 (fourteen years ago) link
hey i found a shortcut:
http://www.discogs.com/advanced_search?genre=electronic&btn=Search+Releases
only 58,301 pages to scroll through.
― ledge, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 09:03 (fourteen years ago) link
We just need someone's dog to keep us focused on what's true and what's false.
― seandalai, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 11:21 (fourteen years ago) link
sorry deej i was just playing
as i said in the other thread, considering how popular these nomination threads have been how come the rolling dance threads and related are such barren waste lands lately? is it just a sad fact of ilm that mindless listing and cataloguing is always gonna win out over actual meaningful discussion? i guess i know the answer to that but still, surely it's just as much effort to make these polls (which for the record i've never participated in and don't intend to) and vote in them as it is to i dunno post in the techno/house of the past thread about the hi hats in "forever monna" or whatever?
― lao gan ma (r1o natsume), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:05 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't want to spoil ya'lls fun anyway, i'm just honestly interested as to why so few of the dance music experts in this thread don't express their love of the music elsewhere
― lao gan ma (r1o natsume), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Me, personally? Because a couple of years ago, when I first turned up on dance threads asking questions that were taken to be stupid, I was told by a couple of the denizens within "OMG, if *she* starts getting into dance music, I'm getting out of it" - which can kind of put you off a bit.
Also because a lot of the things I'm interested in tend to be historically focused rather than sifting through the sea of newness to find stuff I'd like. With regards to new stuff, I'd rather read people who know their stuff than me shooting my mouth off and probably being told I'm wrong. I read the general thread, I certainly listen to the YouTubes but I don't think I have the knowledge to go much further unless a very specific thing is being discussed.
― out of ash i rise w/my red hair and eat vegetables like air (Karen D. Tregaskin), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:19 (fourteen years ago) link
My presence here is v. dilettantish - I'm far from an expert on dance and my electronic tastes are to a large extent offshoots of my love for disco and Krautrock. I can talk Italo/early house/IDM/Hyperdub/beardo ok but I had never heard The Percolator until deej's rant above.
I agree there's a lower barrier to entry on a poll thread than on a Rolling Dance one, which probably works well for outsiders like me who come to learn and annoys insiders who are capable of arguing about hi hats and coffee pots. Depending on how this all works out I may or may not vote in the poll, it's not so important to me. In the metal poll (also characterised by subgenre territorialism and true/false oppositions) I didn't feel qualified to nominate or vote but I enjoyed the results rundown a great deal, heard a lot of new music and came away feeling I'd learned something. I'm hoping for similar outcomes here.
― seandalai, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:20 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm kinda like Kate: these days I don't really follow new trends in dance/electronic music quite as actively as I did in the 90s, so I don't feel like I have much to contribute to the on-going "bobbins" threads. As for the "bobbins of the past" thread, it seems to be focused mostly on the sort of stuff I'm not very familiar with. My biggest love in electronic music is (pretty much) German non-minimal techno/house/dance of the 90s, but that isn't discussed much on ILM. I even started a thread about it, but it wasn't a success:
A Youtube/discussion thread for non-minimal German techno/rave/house/trance of the 90s (and beyond)
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:22 (fourteen years ago) link
pretty much what Seandalai said, though my areas of semi-expertise are different. Looking forward to seeing how the chips fall, arbitrarily as they may.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:29 (fourteen years ago) link
lolling that ppl are bitching about "The Percolator" not being nominated while failing to nominate it
PS, I nominate:
Cajmere - The Percolator
― and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:30 (fourteen years ago) link
like, obviously the way to solve the problem of the wrong songs being nominated is to NOMINATE THE SONGS YOU THINK ARE THE RIGHT ONES, otherwise you're just being a dick
I suspect this will be waaay more divisive than the metal poll. What ever your preferred metal sub-genre, there's still a sense of everyone pulling in the same direction for a common cause and aesthetic. Not so with dance, inter-scene rivally can be very fucking snarky. Part of the fun I guess.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:31 (fourteen years ago) link
happy hardcore = the hair metal of electronic?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:32 (fourteen years ago) link
nah, but only because I like happy hardcore
― and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link
I hate both :)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:34 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm not an expert in any sense, but I enjoy the genre (the poppy end, as with just about every other genre basically) and hope the tracks rundown will be a great way to hear more good stuff. No interest in debating hi-hats*, thanks. And it's hardly mindless listing - the rundown threads are great, whenever an actual discussion manages to break out among the bitching.
I'm also aware that the more people pitch in, the better any poll is going to be - so here I am.
* not actually true
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:34 (fourteen years ago) link
If only a band existed that combined the two.
xpost
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing
― SO YOU HAVE A BLOG, I HAVE A FIST (HI DERE), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:35 (fourteen years ago) link
what a scary thoughtxp
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:35 (fourteen years ago) link
kind of lolling that in the midst of "let's combine hair metal with happy hardcore" I xposted a nomination for a gabba track
― SO YOU HAVE A BLOG, I HAVE A FIST (HI DERE), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:37 (fourteen years ago) link
somebody somewhere will mix emo ,crabcore,hair metal and happy hardcore.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:40 (fourteen years ago) link
I already nominated this!
Also, I wish this had been called a dance music poll. Because I'm getting quite irate that most of the electronic music I love doesn't seem to be eligible any more (I mean, are people going to be mad if I nominate Raymond Scott and Louis & Bebe Barron? WTF?)
― emil.y, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:48 (fourteen years ago) link
I foresee a splinter "electronic music you can't dance to" poll, to complement the "dance music with live drums" one.
― seandalai, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:51 (fourteen years ago) link
dont forget the "dance music with guitars" poll
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:53 (fourteen years ago) link
aka "The Klaxons poll"?
― SO YOU HAVE A BLOG, I HAVE A FIST (HI DERE), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:54 (fourteen years ago) link
I had a vague idea for one poll for floorfillers/bangers and another for ambient/downbeat/weird shit, but could in no way be arsed.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:54 (fourteen years ago) link
i cant wait for all the butthurt "i thought this poll was going to be great but nothing i like has made the list" posts.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:55 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah this should make the metal poll look like a total love-in
― SO YOU HAVE A BLOG, I HAVE A FIST (HI DERE), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 14:02 (fourteen years ago) link
which is AS IT SHOULD BE, of course
Sparks - The Number One Song in Heaven
Veto... sorry.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 14:03 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe everyone should drop an e whilst the results are rolled out.xp
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 14:22 (fourteen years ago) link