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Did you ever hear that track, Louis?
― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 11:48 (sixteen years ago) link
I got the us pressing of the Alcest vinyl in the mail today. Really liking new Nachtmystium, anyone else like that?
― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 13:38 (sixteen years ago) link
oh and the albums by Ascend and Pentemple belong on this thread
Runhild Gammelsæter - Amplicon isn't really metal but is scary as fuck. Different to the Thorr's Hammer stuff she did with Greg Anderson and Stephen O'Malley way back when she was 17. It's out on Utech if anyone cares.
― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 13:40 (sixteen years ago) link
i care. or i'm curious. is it just processed vocals or what?
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Well the vocals re the same scary screechy stuff as on the excellent Khlyst album.
― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Btw there's a Khlyst dvd of a live performance coming out.
hey, do you still read ilm, siegbran? because this speculation from way upthread (and the simpler days of 2003) didn't really come true, did it?
On the other hand, nothing really new has come out of metal in the last five, six years (compared to the abundance of new ideas in '85-'95) so maybe these kind of bands can live up to their promise of taking metal in a radical new direction.
nothing comes to mind, really. maybe om tapping into the indian classical vibe?
― original bgm, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
nothing comes to mind?!?!?! i'm not in a listy mood but for heaven's sake someone else PLEASE take this
― Just got offed, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Siegbran is still around
― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 20:26 (sixteen years ago) link
AVANT-GARDE METAL
A Brief And Incomplete History Of An Ongoing Experiment
http://www.avantgarde-metal.com/content/stories2.php?id=67
― djmartian, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, nothing really does. plenty of bands mixing up little bits of this-and-that... which I like! but I honestly can't think of a record from the last 10 years or so that sounds like nothing I've heard before.
and about that link... Avant-garde metal has not slowed down; in fact, it has only continued to evolve and expand. Bands like KAYO DOT, JESU, ISIS, DIABLO SWING ORCHESTRA, SLEEPYTIME GORILLA MUSEUM
is this really the best we've got? jesu and kayo dot are basically similar takes on formulas THE PEOPLE IN THE BANDS developed like 10-20 years ago! isis are hardly doing anything new too.
― original bgm, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
and on that "record from the last 10 years" thing I said... that's in the metal world. I mean, it's not like these kinds of records are popping left and right in any genre, but more than most other genres, metal is all about taking what you liked about a couple of bands and doing your own thing with it.
again, nothing wrong with that!
― original bgm, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link
lol, "not that there's anything wrong with that" http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/gswyers/Seinfeld_not_that_theres_small.jpg
― original bgm, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
metal has taken exactly zero radical new directions since '03 - especially when you compare things, as Siegbran did, to the convulsive '85-'95 times. There are plenty of good new metal records for sure. None of them that I can think of are really breaking any new ground. I like heavy metal a lot, so that's generally fine with me - innovation is exciting but isn't necessary for me to really enjoy something.
If you honestly think you can make a list of people who've been really breaking down doors since '03, you are mistaken.
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 22 July 2008 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
There doesn't seem to have been a lot of door-breaking-down going on lately, but it's not like the genre's stagnant. Anaal Nathrakh/Frost & Deathspell Omega have put out interesting albums since '03. Among others, I mean...
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link
You're on the "cranky old man" kick this week, aren't you, John?
― Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link
he'll never beat gorge at that game.
what would someone have to do to take metal in a "radical new direction". that's what i want to know. i guess we would know it when we hear it.
― Maria :D, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 23:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Years later, this thread still has a very stupid title. -- xhuxk, Wednesday, March 7, 2007 9:16 PM
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 23:08 (sixteen years ago) link
im guessing that was actually scott?
― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 23:10 (sixteen years ago) link
oh yeah that was me
― scott seward, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 23:15 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm going to grossly over simplify and ignore the actual music completely and say a lot of the distinctions between art-metal and real-metal is down to fashion and trends.
There are people who like the basic sound of metal (which is common to both) but are too hung up on being cool and clever to let themselves enjoy real-metal because of some of its coincidentals like leather studded jackets and concept albums about angels being raped.
Then there are real-metal fans who don't care about looking cool, but tend to fall for metal cliches themselves.
― mei, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link
...and they dont like anything thats "arty-farty"
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 16:15 (sixteen years ago) link
herman, have you heard the new hey colossus album yet? just playing their last one and remembered that they had a new album coming out.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 16:16 (sixteen years ago) link
i find metal politics and debate and poseur/hipster talk entertaining. or about as entertaining as i used to find punk politics and debate and poseur/hipster talk entertaining way back when.
i find it entertaining cuz i feel so removed from it all. i've been a metal fan for decades and almost all my metal listening has been completely solitary in nature. meaning: 95% of the metal i have listened to in my life i've listened to ALONE. and i rarely ever talk about metal in real life. it's completely personal to me. as is most of the music i listen to. which is why i always have to remember not to make blanket statements about WHY anyone listens to anything. unless they tell me why, i have no idea. i can guess why people who haven't listened to a lot of metal are drawn to certain things within the genre, but they are just guesses. i also don't think that people who are seen as dabblers have to somehow show respect for the genre in some way that pleases the "true" fans. like, they have to leave an offering of good will and faith before they are allowed to partake in the black bounty of heavy metal. fuck that. fuck the faithful. you want to know about all the cool, weird, and avant garde metal out there that is all fucked up and psychedelic and filled with non-metal elements? i'll tell you all about them. be glad to. my pleasure. also, you should really subscribe to Decibel.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link
LOL Jeff OTM, pretty much when shit gets busy around here I get cranky
― J0hn D., Wednesday, 23 July 2008 16:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Scott, I haven't yet. I think it comes out in August. Will be buying it though. I think pre-orders opened for the cd a few weeks ago. Great band.
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link
...i also don't think that people who are seen as dabblers have to somehow show respect for the genre in some way that pleases the "true" fans. like, they have to leave an offering of good will and faith before they are allowed to partake in the black bounty of heavy metal. fuck that. fuck the faithful. you want to know about all the cool, weird, and avant garde metal out there that is all fucked up and psychedelic and filled with non-metal elements? i'll tell you all about them. be glad to. my pleasure.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link
FO' REAL.
― jonathan - stl, Thursday, 24 July 2008 00:45 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah you guys should still listen to some goddamn cannibal corpse and that's the truth and even my less-cranky friend scott knows that's the truth. people who listen to fusion but never listen to straight-no-chaser jazz are missing the fuck out.
― J0hn D., Thursday, 24 July 2008 01:58 (sixteen years ago) link