rolling ringtone thread 2008

man i dont know enough about how people get on the covers of magazines to care about any of that really-- that big tuck song is good, but the cool kids aim for the type of audience they have, i.e. i'm sure they were much more hyped to see their songs posted on pitchfork than on nah right

big tuck isn't exactly shooting for the cover of urb i don't think, and maybe kid sister or jay elec aren't explicitly either but they're going about finding a different audience, an audience that is for lack of a better term urb-friendly (lol herb-friendly lol). i don't think people in houston or memphis or la are really bemoaning the fact that kid sister is getting urb covers instead of mixtape rapper x

it's weird seeing Wale and Jay Electronica on magazine covers. Since there's no real story there yet, it feels like a commenter on a website yelling "first!"

it feels like a commenter on a website yelling "first!"

-- Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:51 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

i mean this is the other thing-- now mags who have a large readership crossover with webzines have to get into the WE BROKE THEM FIRST game and that's why you end up with ppl like that on covers

but i don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, i mean i dont know how jay electronica sells magazines, but shit it's better than seeing craig finn or nas on the cover of more magazines imo, and if it gets people on the internet a little hot and bothered what really the big deal

i mean the key term to "hipster rap" is obv hipster, so if you're really out there caring what kind of rap hipsters listen to and who gets on their magazine covers you might want to take a step back

but then again i dont live in a big city so idk maybe it is annoying

http://hosting03.imagecross.com/myspace-image-upload-6/3871steveocover5.jpg

seriously what is that and why

i mean this is the other thing-- now mags who have a large readership crossover with webzines have to get into the WE BROKE THEM FIRST game and that's why you end up with ppl like that on covers

but i don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, i mean i dont know how jay electronica sells magazines, but shit it's better than seeing craig finn or nas on the cover of more magazines imo, and if it gets people on the internet a little hot and bothered what really the big deal

-- J0rdan S., Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:56 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

u dont think its important to interrogate the motives of the ppl who put these artists on covers or why those are the artists they choose to put on covers or what artists are getting ignored while 6 million bloggers decide to talk about, whether in favor or disapproval of, the same 4 dudes who happen to wear ironic dookie ropes

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It's a better cover image than Carter III is what it is.

deej i think it is important to do all those things, i mean i say right there that i think the motive now is for magazines to start scooping the internet-- as to why it's the cool kids and not big tuck, i mean, again, the cool kids are a "hip" rap group going on the cover of a "hip" magazine

i think the better question would be why isn't murderdog or dirty south writing about big tuck not why isn't urb writing about big tuck

what makes cool kids hip? shitty beats and boring rapping?

ignore the pejorative part if u want serious discussion and just answer 'what makes cool kids hip'

i just think its pointless to bug out about internet sources like pitchfork or mags like filter or urb covering the 4 dudes w/ dookie ropes since those 4 dudes are so obviously aiming for that mostly white, rock audience

i used "hip" in quotations on purpose cuz im not jamming dudes thinking about how hip i am (save that for yo gotti), but to their credit they've got an aesthetic that appeals to the people who read magazines like urb and paste-- mostly white people who listen to rock and think lil boosie is a joke, but really love the beasties and the fat boys and whoever else

if we're talking purely about the cool kids' aesthetic wrt to them being hip i think it's kind of genius because it has, in a way, got them places

and we're never going to meet in the middle because obv i think they can rap and you think they suck, but i dont think it should be bewildering that they are getting burn, they sell what they do really well and they sell it to the right people

"and we're never going to meet in the middle"

n/h

weak, unless deej is actually a chick

http://branthansen.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/djcandace_1.jpg

^ waiting all year for this

IF
that is deej
AND
me & deej are sister/sister
THEN
i want to be these
http://celebslam.buzznet.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/stephanie-tanner-huge-rack-front1.jpg

^ waiting all year for this

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:20 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i self zinged with that a year ago

ya i was gonna say

i realize this

j/b

anyway i have no problem with hipsters liking music hipsters like, its more about the disproportionate media coverage they get. it skews history, and i do think this shit matters

yeah i feel u and i dont think anyone really has a great answer for why lots of our favorite rappers can't get any shine in SPIN or w/e

xlr8r had a tite bun b cover a little while back though

Problem is that when white hipsters like shit, that usually means advertisers like shit, which means we're in for a long year of same4dudes having tours sponsored by Prius and Converse while guys like All $tar or whoever stay on the mixtape grind.

Scion sponsoring a Too $hort show is the goddamn highlight of my summer so far

... but to their credit they've got an aesthetic that appeals to the people who read magazines like urb and paste-- mostly white people who listen to rock and think lil boosie is a joke, but really love the beasties and the fat boys and whoever else...

-- J0rdan S., Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

why are these the artists that appeal to cool kids fans
what about the cool kids actually reminds you of either the fat boys or the beasties, other than the clothes they are wearing being mid 80s oriented

I can see why Cool Kids fans would be into Fat Boys/Beasties since their rhyme schemes are really simple, their themes are innocent and their vibe is strictly party-based; plus their beats are skeletal in an 80s way.

Though I kinda like their beats because they remind me of snap.

i was about to say, that description sounds just like snap music but i dont see 'hipster rap' articles about dem franchise boyz either

Because snap artists talk about fellatio and fancy clothes and ecstasy and grey goose; and Cool Kids talk about Sega and bikes and Star Wars. What do YOU think a bunch of Dan Deacon fans would be more quick to get behind.

dan deacon fans dont like fellatio, clothes, drugs and vodka?

see yr giving me plenty good reasons not to like this scene right there

Have you ever met a white person, deej?

i know a few

Then I don't understand why you're befuddled by the fact that they would gravitate towards non-threatening dudes who talk about the nerdy shit that not only compliments their scenester peter pan syndrome but also their blog-reading "otherness" that makes them feel so superior and urbane; as opposed to a copping a ringtone by bunch of Atlanta dudes talking about getting their dick sucked.

this is like white people 101 shit

maybe there's a blog about stuff white people like we could used it for fact checking

'befuddled' is an unfair characterization, im trolling j0rdan because i dont like his "what could possibly be wrong with hipsters writing about hipsters making music for hipsters" conclusions

rappers who get on the cover of magazines because of who they know and not cuz anyone actually knows there shit.

I know this thread is totally not my scene and shit but I just gotta point out that nobody gets a magazine cover unless they're extremely well-connected and good at the knowing-people/glad-handing/butt-kissing dance that goes along with getting to the level of being on magazine covers.

concur 100% with yr angle in re: history however.

'befuddled' is an unfair characterization, im trolling j0rdan because i dont like his "what could possibly be wrong with hipsters writing about hipsters making music for hipsters" conclusions

-- deej, Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:41 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

im not saying there is nothing wrong with it, half my posts re: this whole thing have been me expressing wonderment about your, yes, befuddlement (i think i used the word actually) and borderline naivete (or playing really fucking dumb cuz i know you're not naive) about why the cool kids are more likely to get on the cover of urb magazine or a glowing review in pitchfork then big tuck or dfb or d4l or lil scrappy or whoever

im not befuddled! i think its shitty. the questions im asking are trying to get you to flesh out your argument, it doesnt mean i dont have my own answers to them

what parts of my argument need to be fleshed out? i mean ive posted pretty substantially re: this in here so if im not going far enough w/ something im saying let me know cuz im kind of running out words here but i would like to resolve the argument so to speak

why are these the artists that appeal to cool kids fans
what about the cool kids actually reminds you of either the fat boys or the beasties, other than the clothes they are wearing being mid 80s oriented

-- deej, Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:46 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

why is this aesthetic so appealing to a 'hipster' audience
why do 'hipsters' have such a disproportionate media influence
whose interests does defining 'hipsters' as a singular entity with similar aesthetic tastes serve
why should we surrender so much of this coverage to people covering this small circle of insular fashionistas

why is this aesthetic so appealing to a 'hipster' audience

Then I don't understand why you're befuddled by the fact that they would gravitate towards non-threatening dudes who talk about the nerdy shit that not only compliments their scenester peter pan syndrome but also their blog-reading "otherness" that makes them feel so superior and urbane; as opposed to a copping a ringtone by bunch of Atlanta dudes talking about getting their dick sucked.

-- Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:26 PM (2 hours ago)

why are these the artists that appeal to cool kids fans
what about the cool kids actually reminds you of either the fat boys or the beasties, other than the clothes they are wearing being mid 80s oriented

-- deej, Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:46 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

i brought up the beasties-- as other ppl have (i think even the cool kids themselves)-- because they're pretty popular among white rock listeners, as are the cool kids, so even if we couldn't put our finger on the similarities b/w the two groups, the fact that they definitely have audience crossover is reason enough for a link if not a comparison.

but cmon the cool kids are on the teenage bullshit fun times tip just like the beasties were, and to an extent (maybe not teenage tho) like the fat boys were. and it sucks that white rock listeners seem to equate fun times rap with the cool kids and spank rock and not d4l (i think your average cool kids fan would clown "laffy taffy" in anti-pop stance as much as an anti-gutter rap one, which is an issue [anti-pop, or anti-radio success] that we aren't touching when we bring up things like dem franchize boys) or gucci mane, but whiney brought this up earlier, it seems as if a lot of hipster-types who are cool kids et al fans are more apt to relate to songs about bikes and video games and cereal than ones about popping champagne at strip clubs (i say it seems cuz i dont know anyone irl who is a cool kids fan, let alone someone who likes cool kids but dismisses gangster fun time raps) which explains why cool kids fans reach for the cool kids album when they want their dose of fun time rap not gucci mane

why do 'hipsters' have such a disproportionate media influence

See definition of the word "hipsters"