― Eve Atley (Kilbey1), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:52 (twenty years ago) link
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000DD27.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
― amateur!!!st, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:52 (twenty years ago) link
Which means they should be a tribute band rather than HAVING tribute bands. ;-)
And I must say you are showing remarkable restraint, Eve! ;-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:04 (twenty years ago) link
Rush::Dream Theater as ????::Mars Volta
Kansas, maybe?
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:07 (twenty years ago) link
Rush: Dream Theater :: Mars Volta: something really sucktastic
Then again I like Rush and the Mars Volta.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:08 (twenty years ago) link
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Palomino (Palomino), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:43 (twenty years ago) link
Good lord.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:45 (twenty years ago) link
― amateur!!!st, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Palomino (Palomino), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:53 (twenty years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:31 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:31 (twenty years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:42 (twenty years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:49 (twenty years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:11 (twenty years ago) link
For a second I thought you meant they covered a Chameleons tune and I almost died
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:43 (twenty years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:18 (twenty years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:29 (twenty years ago) link
― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:44 (twenty years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 19 August 2004 02:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 02:23 (twenty years ago) link
if you think that they are ridiculous you must hear their copycats...like them:
http://www.mightyrhapsody.com/index.php
― giulio from genova, Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:20 (twenty years ago) link
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 19 August 2004 10:37 (twenty years ago) link
b-b-but what do you REALLY think of them Phil? Don't hold back now...
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:07 (twenty years ago) link
THANK YOU.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:16 (twenty years ago) link
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:25 (twenty years ago) link
BTW how are McLaughlin's collaborations with U. Srinivas (whom I like a lot)?
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:51 (twenty years ago) link
He *really* bugs me, and not just in the context of Yes. I'm glad he left the Strawbs when he did.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link
Ned - you can hate me now.
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:44 (twenty years ago) link
I admit when I was getting into prog in my late teens I bout a DT album (I forget which one, maybe Metropolis?) that's quietly mouldering back in my parents's house. It was one of those times where you have a friend who's really into something and you buy into the hype... didn't last long. This is also why I have a couple of Porcupine Tree records, which, if anything, I regret more. From what I remember of this and hearing DT occasionally over the years is that the riffs/choruses etc. are just so perfunctory and obvious it feels like they're saying "don't worry kids, we have to get this pleb shit out the way so we can get to the REAL good stuff in a sec." I feel like good prog, jazz or whatever can use technicality to actually say something if they're any good. "Soulless"/"signifiers of emotion" really sums them up I think.
That said I'm not going to rag on anyone who likes them, people listen to music for all kinds of reasons, though I could only laugh if/when one of them tried to educate me on what "real music" is.
Anyway I thought up the phrase "virtuoso signalling" this morning which sums up this kind of empty musicianship nerd shit but I'm too tired and apathetic to fit it into a coherent joke
― ultros ultros-ghali, Monday, 27 February 2017 11:12 (seven years ago) link
When I moved into my first student house we found a copy of Metropolis in one of the bedroom drawers, along with Countdown to Extinction by Megadeth and £3 in Marks and Spencer vouchers, I don't think we listened to either of them.
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 27 February 2017 11:27 (seven years ago) link
Countdown is a good album. One of Megadeth's best, IMO.
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 27 February 2017 12:41 (seven years ago) link
And definitely underscores why Dream Theater sucks. You could be technical and virtuoso and complicated and even tuneful and not suck.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 February 2017 13:43 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF75xTzMuXw
i feel like this belongs on this thread
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 12 March 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link
My head is exploding at the contrast between that guy's excellent footwork and his extremely sloppy snare fills. Also what is up with the weirdly clicky, high kick drum sound?
― may all your memes be dank (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 12 March 2017 19:24 (seven years ago) link
Also what is up with the weirdly clicky, high kick drum sound?
That's what modern metal kick drums sound like, so they can cut through the downtuned guitars and bass.
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 12 March 2017 19:27 (seven years ago) link
and they sound awful like typewriters from hell
― Odysseus, Sunday, 12 March 2017 19:45 (seven years ago) link
Triggering.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 12 March 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
Seen a bit in a magazine from Barney Greenway who is a fan and has collaborated with them. He said they were massively underrated as songwriters.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:14 (four years ago) link
I still haven't tried them yet but that's a long way off yet. Too much classics to get to first.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:15 (four years ago) link
"YOU NOODLE!"
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:18 (four years ago) link
just an absolute banger headline, thank you Ultimate Guitar pic.twitter.com/fItjWuK6Io— domvan (@domvanford) December 13, 2021
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 13 December 2021 20:57 (two years ago) link
lmao
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 December 2021 21:01 (two years ago) link
from upthread
[Instrumental Bridge 5][Keyboard Solo 1][Guitar Solo 2][Chorus 1][Chorus 2][Instrumental Bridge 6][Hard theme alternate][Hard theme alternate variation]
[Keyboard Solo 1]
[Guitar Solo 2]
[Chorus 1]
[Chorus 2]
[Instrumental Bridge 6]
[Hard theme alternate]
[Hard theme alternate variation]
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 14 December 2021 16:03 (two years ago) link
2022 will go down as the year when Dream Theater released a song that I like unambiguously (even if it is a straight-up pastiche of Rush): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbzrxFRCyAk
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 6 June 2022 15:17 (two years ago) link
Oh I guess it was released in 2021.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 6 June 2022 15:20 (two years ago) link
haha such a silly song
joyful
― corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 12:47 (two years ago) link
There's an even more Rush-alike song from their 2013 self-titled album. I worked for their label at the time and I remember laughing out loud the first time I heard it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cf1CF6Avvc
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 13:05 (two years ago) link
The other day someone I follow on twitter responded to a Joe Bonamassa tweet that was in turn responding to a Guitar mag prompt asking for the best guitar album of the '90s. (I don't know anything about Bonamassa, never heard a note; iirc he picked an album by The Hellecasters.) Anyway, I made the mistake of scrolling down to see what others picked, and it was the usual 16th note sci-fi flurry shit: Steve Vai, Satch (iirc someone even picked "Surfing with the Alien," and stuck to their guns when reminded it was from the '80s). But, inevitably, someone picked Dream Theater, and I realized, you know, I've never really spent much more than a couple of minutes with them. Because this person also picked a specific track which (paraphrasing) had it all, I listened to that one, and woof - why would anyone want to listen to this? Why would anyone want to *play* this? The guitar was so precise, so technical and clinical, and so souless that it might as well have been an intricately programmed synth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEKTNtmKZEw
First comment: "The solo is just perfect, I think it has almost every imaginable technique on guitar"Second comment: "It's not a solo, it's a clinic on how to make shred guitar tasteful."Third comment: "whatever"
This song is what happens when everyone in a band thinks they're the most talented member of the band, including the singer.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 13:07 (two years ago) link
This song is what happens when everyone in a band thinks they're the most talented member of the band, including the singer.If I’m not mistaken, I think every member of dream theater has been on the cover of a very bad magazine associated with their instrument (ie modern drummer) multiple times. Plus, they have tons of fans who say things like “you are the greatest guitar player of all time, man!” on a daily basis. Their lives are incredibly messed up
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 14:22 (two years ago) link
I do like this style of drumming in other contexts (metal, Greg Fox projects).
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 14:31 (two years ago) link
Their lives are incredibly messed up
Offstage they're some of the nicest people in the world. John Petrucci is just a dad from Long Island who spends most of his day practicing guitar and doing bicep curls, keyboardist Jordan Rudess is a giant dork and gearhead/inventor, bassist John Myung is incredibly chilled-out and one of the least fame-oriented artists I've ever met, and drummer Mike Mangini is, like, giddy when you talk to him. The singer, James LaBrie, I've never had any interaction with, but he's Canadian, so how bad could he be?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 14:31 (two years ago) link
Sounds like having "tons of fans who say things like 'you are the greatest guitar player of all time, man!' on a daily basis" is a sound recipe for mental health!
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 14:35 (two years ago) link
xp that doesn’t surprise me! I still tbey they must be completely messed up. There’s no way you play a 19-string bass and then do yard work
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 15:55 (two years ago) link
Somehow I always forget that portnoy left dream theater in 2010. Also somehow I missed that portnoy was with avenged sevenfold for a minute?
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 15:59 (two years ago) link
Look let's just be thankful that the surviving members of Rush haven't formed a supergroup with the guy
― the classic emerson lake & palmer line-up (Matt #2), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:09 (two years ago) link
Portnoy is so insanely busy, amazing this guy has time to sleep, considering how many long ass songs he plays on. I mean, just in the last five years he has recorded albums with:
Liquid Tension ExperimentTransatlanticNeal Morse soloNeal Morse Band (x2)Flying ColorsJohn Petrucci soloSons of Apollo
not to mention associated touring with all of these acts
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:19 (two years ago) link
I think he is just always in a room playing a solo, and every once in a while somebody walks into the room and presses record for 8 minutes.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:29 (two years ago) link
Hahaha
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:39 (two years ago) link
lol
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:40 (two years ago) link