i always thought it was weird that the guy from Run On put in the liner notes "this album was made entirely without hi-hats." i wonder what he had against them.
― mizzell, Monday, 25 August 2008 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes, interested in all things xp. How about Elevation by Television? (It just came on my iTunes.) I'd never noticed until this thread, but now almost all of Marquee Moon's drums sound really strange to me, and about half of them have pretty complicated hi-hat patterns
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 25 August 2008 17:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Seriously, though, Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica is one of the alltime-great hi-hat albums - even though they sound a bit weird on occasion, due to Drumbo's muffling them with circular bits of cardboard.
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 25 August 2008 18:13 (fifteen years ago) link
http://bp2.blogger.com/_jT7u1Bq52JU/SBtQORz4PSI/AAAAAAAAAD8/P4--x2eZ5IU/s1600-h/The+Warriors+80.jpg
― dad a, Monday, 25 August 2008 18:22 (fifteen years ago) link
The breakdown in the middle of "Sinner" by Judas Priest has incredible hi-hat work by session drummer extraordinaire Simon Phillips.
― Nate Carson, Monday, 25 August 2008 20:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Seek: the complete recorded works of Carlton Barrett
― DLee, Monday, 25 August 2008 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link
in reggae it's called the Flying Cymbal. google has answers and examples.
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 25 August 2008 22:15 (fifteen years ago) link
also, Carl Craig, Black Dog, B.12 rule hi hat programming.
Fine Time - New Order
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 25 August 2008 22:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Wow forgot about that. I think half the time he was playing with the snare off the snare drum too. Just trying to do something different I guess?
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 August 2008 22:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Smashing Pumpkins "1979"
― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 25 August 2008 22:25 (fifteen years ago) link
http://thehighhat.com/
― Oilyrags, Monday, 25 August 2008 22:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Ya's fancy pants, alla ya's!
― rollerbeef, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:32 (fifteen years ago) link
― rollerbeef, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Almost forgot: If you like hi-hat, then Flying Rhythms' N'DANKA N'DANKA album is what you need, if you can find it.
― DLee, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 01:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Speaking of flying:
http://tinyurl.com/5vpj6v
That passage from Michael Veal's Dub book is great. Had a Tubby compilation on the headphones this weekend and he really did make fantastic use of the 'flying cymbal' sound.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 02:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Camper Van Beethoven's Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart is a great hi-hat album start to finish. Subtle and awesome.
― staggerlee, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 02:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Question I've always had that the New Order poll countdown reminded me of: where did the 16th-notes-on-the-high-hat beat originate, or at least what is the earliest instance you are aware of? I mean that type of beat so prevalent in disco/post punk but seemingly absent before then.
― anonanon, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 00:12 (eleven years ago) link
you mean the uptempo 16 beat? Pretty sure it appears in pre-Disco R&B and funk songs at slower tempos
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 01:25 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwBcvvVBck8
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 01:34 (eleven years ago) link
my favorite part of drumming, no question
yeah I'm mainly wondering who if anyone where the pioneers of the distinctive both hands on the hi hat sound
― anonanon, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 01:43 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZZifVTzMdA
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
could swear I've heard examples of that hi hat usage earlier but struggling to come up w/any
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 01:52 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3ckIovZRwkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1gqhU1Mmqs
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
otm
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:01 (eleven years ago) link
Another track with Mike Clark:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY9rhaYkud0
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:05 (eleven years ago) link
Don't know exactly what you're referring to anonanon but here's a nice 16th note hihat beat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wlz_bKHi9s
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
ha I knew that was gonna be Palm Grease, beat me to it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZLLYEzKE8
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:09 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPNU9G4zwks
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:11 (eleven years ago) link
just realized "superstition" has some proto double hand hi hat -- anything earlier than that?
oddly wiki is telling me jeff beck came up with that particular drum beat
― anonanon, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:11 (eleven years ago) link
I want to see the full doc or whatever that Gadd bit is from
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:13 (eleven years ago) link
granny, I feel like you can tell when it's played with both hands, sounds different, looser. Palm grease is a good call, seems to fit the bill whereas that Barry White sounds like it's played with one hand, unless I'm imagining it
― anonanon, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
of course there's this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0liXaFvsLc
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:16 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0liXaFvsLc
(in terms of cool hi-hat I mean, not 16-beat hi-hat)
1971https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFvRvSxsW-I
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:17 (eleven years ago) link
― anonanon, Monday, June 3, 2013 10:11 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
1969https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNP8tbDMZNE
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:18 (eleven years ago) link
oh, sorry not double hand though. But I don't think Superstition is either?
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:19 (eleven years ago) link
also the drummer on superstition doesn't do four sixteenth notes, it's more of a swing-pattern-over-rock-beat thing.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:20 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvvwGvaGLGY
― cock chirea, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:21 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etwIu8-FlGU
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:26 (eleven years ago) link
hi-hat is also one of the best ways to tell a low-quality recording
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
or low-quality mp3 of a recording, rather
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWbzaylGzlY
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:28 (eleven years ago) link
I prefer a dirty sounding hi-hat
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:29 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4A5JnworAk
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:31 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMv8ZQ8BL3s
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:33 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBfGfEVIS_M
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:35 (eleven years ago) link
dubbing the hi-hat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5pnveH_A7s
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:40 (eleven years ago) link
hi-hat is also big in Kenyan benga music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35qqsiTLZrUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m_vYGKLTH8
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 03:50 (eleven years ago) link
This is 1965
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6_BWNzThJY
And 1969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT1e2_uTwmI
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 04:03 (eleven years ago) link
"Sinnerman" makes me suspect some gospel roots to the hi-hat 16ths, but I can't think of examples off the top of my head.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 04:06 (eleven years ago) link
the feel on sinnerman is different too -- accents on the "ands" instead of on the downbeats.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 04:13 (eleven years ago) link
Yup, it's not a funk groove yet. That's what makes me wonder if it came out of church originally. But I'm just speculating.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 04:21 (eleven years ago) link
I notice these early instances it's generally used more like a engine revving type effect, but someone put a stiff 4/4 kick beneath it and that is the intrepid hi hat pioneer I am searching for
― anonanon, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 04:37 (eleven years ago) link
in 1972, the same year as Soul Makossa (sometimes called the "first disco song," which I'm not so sure about), the Fatback Band released this, which has the four-on-the-floor feel but not the 16th notes on the hi-hat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7vKI3I50-E
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 04:45 (eleven years ago) link
hey soul makossa itself has what sounds like a mostly double hand hi hat thing going on there. if this is one of the seminal disco records, in line with granny's many youtubes above, disco 16th notes maybe do derive from this afrobeat/afrofunk strand
― anonanon, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 05:04 (eleven years ago) link
This is some of the best hi hat action I know of at :45https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43rGOqu_QL0
― why pee on the beat (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 05:09 (eleven years ago) link
nice Idris up there
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 05:15 (eleven years ago) link
this one is early '74 and has a steady two handed hi-hat beat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdDALuknybo
― cock chirea, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 05:19 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZdE4kpr8lU
― cock chirea, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 05:29 (eleven years ago) link
example of a "steppers" reggae beat, late 70s. hi-hat is a bit more skittery than a straight 16ths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rgS57eymbE
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 05:31 (eleven years ago) link
rock your baby is otm, that is one stiff ass two handed hi hat proto disco beat
― anonanon, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 05:36 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZ_9V37KxA
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 05:46 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pcxltHyBqQ
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 05:48 (eleven years ago) link
speaking of George McCrae, Gwen McCrae recorded some stuff the same year w/some of the same musicians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lAkcdyh3iI
― ttyih boi (crüt), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 05:53 (eleven years ago) link
that's good...and I didn't even realize I had it in my itunes, but just that song. is there a whole album?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 06:01 (eleven years ago) link
that pablo gad vid ist rad, reminds me of janet kay's silly games which has some wicked hi-hat rolls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdytUPas0ro
drummie zeb is da man, easily one of my 2 or 3 fave reggae drummers
― cock chirea, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 06:09 (eleven years ago) link
^ yesss. such a nice light touch on the hi-hat there.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 06:15 (eleven years ago) link
in re Rock Your Baby, 1974 is also the year Everybody was Kung Fu Fighting came out
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
has shh/peaceful been posted yet?
― precious bonsai children of new york (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
my favorite both-hands-on-the-hi-hat groove ('64):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlBuc863hU0
― precious bonsai children of new york (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
so much good music on this thread.that smokey johnson groove is amazing.
― m0stlyClean, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 02:57 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKd_XTFhGxo
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 07:19 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZLGCAn9ot0
― ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 16:51 (ten years ago) link
Is that Earl Palmer on the Smokey Johnson track? Incredible.
― keep clams and jive on (man alive), Sunday, 30 August 2015 03:28 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jGYx0hMjM0
― brimstead, Sunday, 30 August 2015 04:13 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBW-7uI5ABw
― brimstead, Sunday, 30 August 2015 04:18 (eight years ago) link
I love african guitar pop where the groove is almost all on the hi-hat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecdUDfUgSK4
― keep clams and jive on (man alive), Monday, 31 August 2015 02:26 (eight years ago) link
the beat I mean