classic Wu-Tang solo run poll

& 'coke rap' is meaningless. its not a genre. or subgenre. its just common subject matter for music that comes from the inner city SHOCKER

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I don't know anything about how you came up deej but I will tell you that afaik there are many realities to life in poor neighborhoods and importing multiple kilos of coke doesn't actually constitute such a massive % of it that you're cheating "reality" to not make it the centerpiece of your entire career. or to make it such a key (lol) aspect of yr schtick that magazines that like you & are trying to keep your profile up, not just dumbshit herbs like me call your genre "coke rap."

I mean really dude

"sure there are some songs about coke, coke's a reality in the inner city" is really soft-soaping the disproportionate representation of the coke dealer in rap - if there was actually that much coke around I would be high right now instead of arguing with a fellow liberal arts grad about what life is like in the "inner city." do goregrind freaks complain about the term "goregrind"? no man. it's grind with gore-focused lyrics. it is fair to call it "goregrind."

but gore happens in the inner city!

Call it Coke-Hop and I'm sold.

aerosmith otm again

i've never exactly been to the inner city think the solid decade and a half where gangsta rappers talked about being broke, being harassed by racist cops, the looming threat of random violence and the broken judicial system are probably more accurate realities than the mid-00s winter wonderland where everyone was a big-balling coke dealer

*been to the inner city BUT I think

it's funny to me that coke rap is playing into this discussion in 2010--well i guess fantasy coke rap is still a thing but i'd love to hear more gritty shit and it seems like a lot of the most popular rappers are just worlds away from that.

j0hn yr arguing w something i never said / i was talking about J STALIN not YOUNG JEEZY -- v diff perfomers here

& i mean what do you tell a rapper like j stalin, actual crack baby who sold drugs when he was young & turned to rap -- 'sorry your life story is passe!'

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Wednesday, October 13, 2010 7:00 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wait, waht

I mean, I was going to stay out of this but how the hell can this be considered anything but crazy talk given that "The Message" is routinely considered to be one of the greatest hip-hop tracks of all time?

(I kind of want to go into early party-record hip-hop as a modern iteration of plantation music sung by a downtrodden people to uplift themselves as well, making it a direct reaction to the real-life situations many of the early emcees dealt with but I'd be regurgitating other people's words and not really making my own arguments, plus you probably know that argument already.)

― GLEERILLAZ! (HI DERE), Thursday, October 14, 2010 2:32 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark

speaking of coke-rap, when's that new BERNARD SNOWY mixtape coming out?

like this may be a hopelessly retarded question but how did we get from "gza was on some proto-grocery bag ish" to "gza failed to predict trends in rap"--or are we just excluding that subset of popular rappers from the conversation?

OK I forget how good this was:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dumqStn1oQY

deej you 1) argued that the term "coke rap" is offensive & inaccurate and 2) said this: & 'coke rap' is meaningless. its not a genre. or subgenre. its just common subject matter for music that comes from the inner city SHOCKER

that is the line I am taking issue with

you said it

I quoted you

I am not "arguing with something you never said"

I am arguing with your acceptance of a caricature of inner city life that sells out all the struggling people who live there in favor of scarface fantasy bullshit, which caricature is what's offensive, not grouping a bunch of guys who romanticize poisoning their neighborhoods together under one term like "coke rap"

I am not "arguing with something you never said"

I am arguing with your acceptance of a caricature of inner city life that sells out all the struggling people who live there in favor of scarface fantasy bullshit, which caricature is what's offensive, not grouping a bunch of guys who romanticize poisoning their neighborhoods together under one term like "coke rap"

― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:18 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

im arguing that the scarface fantasy is popular in the inner city, not that its ACCURATE

I am not "arguing with something you never said"

yes, you are

im arguing that the scarface fantasy is popular in the inner city, not that its ACCURATE

this is a breathtaking mid-stream horse change & I salute you for it

Good to see nothing about deej has changed in all these years.

aerosmith basically saying what I'm thinking here

jsut like to add that there's a weird disconnect between asserting that the prevalence of coke-dealing themes in modern hip hop is a reflection of "reality" while at the same time arguing that rappers these days are more well-defined aesthetic creations/personas than they were in the past - like, which one is it, fiction or non-fiction. is all this coke-themed stuff acceptable because it's REAL-LIFE REPORTING or because it's just a harmless cartoon? personally I think both positions are still basically suspect...

xp

im arguing that the scarface fantasy is popular in the inner city

where the hell did this come from...? I assume you're aware that "scarface fantasies" are even MORE popular outside of the inner city and maybe that's why so many rappers go to it - cuz that's where the money/major overlapping audience $$$ is...?

btw I apologize for this thread derail to anyone who was hoping for yet another nuanced discussion of the Wu-era

im arguing that the scarface fantasy is popular in the inner city, not that its ACCURATE

this is a breathtaking mid-stream horse change & I salute you for it

― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:23 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

how so??? all i said was as quoted by you "coke rap' is meaningless. its not a genre. or subgenre. its just common subject matter for music that comes from the inner city SHOCKER"

i never said anything abt 'real life reporting'

you jumped to conclusions

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I'm going to keep osting clips:

Hey, look, ODB taught me about Jim Croce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzHC6dxhVOc

& i mean what do you tell a rapper like j stalin, actual crack baby who sold drugs when he was young & turned to rap -- 'sorry your life story is passe!'

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Wednesday, October 13, 2010 7:00 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

he does

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― gr80 antebellum (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:36 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

quote me saying otherwise you dishonest arguing dork

i never said anything abt 'real life reporting'

vs.

i mean what do you tell a rapper like j stalin, actual crack baby who sold drugs when he was young & turned to rap -- 'sorry your life story is passe!'

I mean come on dude this is just... waht

listening to dude now and I am really enjoying him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4MoHtk1UUw

possibly because... this sounds like it could have come out in '94

he does

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

unusual details in wikipedia articles

RZA has stated Ennio Morricone, Mark E. Smith, Syl Johnson, Marley Marl, Augustus Pablo and Danny Elfman as musicians he is fond of and has taken influence from.

why is that unusual...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAonsDOKD84&feature=related

xp Mark E Smith is pretty unexpected I gotta say.

btw, I've never listened to this dude but probably I would say something along the lines of: "can't you rap about anything else?"

― rmde and dangerous (bernard snowy), Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:37 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

he does

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:40 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol I say this as a guy who loves oakland/bay area rap a lot & repsects stalin's flow but "he does" here means he also addresses human sexuality, e.g. 'When you see the dick, don't act retarded'

And also apparently not true according to google.

? http://www.dapslyrics.com/j-stalin/last-night-lyrics/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxz0fOUj0Hk

1:21

I may be an asshole Alex but I wouldn't misquote somebody to win an argument w/deej when he'll have changed positions in a few more posts anyway

that's pretty rich coming from someone who said "coke rap" was a genre with "fairly strict" definition up thread and is now all like, these sex raps don't uplift the ghetto.

xp sorry I was talking about RZA being a Mark E Smith fan.

i never said anything abt 'real life reporting'

vs.

i mean what do you tell a rapper like j stalin, actual crack baby who sold drugs when he was young & turned to rap -- 'sorry your life story is passe!'

I mean come on dude this is just... waht

― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:41 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this isnt contradictory at all. Cocaine in inner cities is real. it inspires both realism- based rap & grandiose scarface fantasies. its not a genre, its a fact of life that difft ppl deal with differently. its not something that CAN be 'passe' -- certain APPROACHES can be passe.

and my argument here is relentlessly consistent

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cocaine in inner cities is kinda fake actually

in ny maybe

although 'inner cities' is more & more inaccurate

it's inconsistent to simply say "call me sire" is out of character in a way "don corleone hold the throne, that you know in your heart" isn't. it's inconsistent to dog gibbs or odd future for misogyny that you forgive in YG. it's inconsistent to co-opt rakim for a move away from rapping abt rapping and wordplay. it's inconsistent for a rap fan to be even dogging on wordplay. from a dude who can connect "lemonade" to "more colors". these just seem arbitrary distinctions based on ineffable likes and dislikes rather than "charisma" or "character" being all-important.

hey whiney have you actually pointed out one example of backpedalling or self-contradiction yet? no? stfu

gee what a surprise deej arguing with 3 or more people in a thread