Rolling 2004 Metal Thread

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"Um, no. And Ian, you're way smarter than that. Don't buy into the "Slipknot sell too many records to mean it" bullshit."

If I were Slipknot, I'd be rushing to admit I was kidding the whole time, due to just how bad most of their shit is.

uh (eetface), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:06 (twenty years ago) link

Has anybody here seen Kataklysm? I'm pondering spending next Sunday night in a smell little hellhole checking them out.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 02:22 (twenty years ago) link

smelly, i meant ...

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

Come on, surely someone has seen Kataklysm in concert ... or not. Maybe I'll skip it and go see All That Remains instead. And maybe even hang around and catch Prong headlining.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 05:58 (twenty years ago) link

I've seen Kataklysm in 1998, with Vader, Monstrosity & Fleshcrawl. It was very good, but that was a while ago...

Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 06:12 (twenty years ago) link

I love Kataklysm but the closest they've ever come to my town was a four-hour drive. Don't think the new one is the equal of "Epic," though.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:45 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure I'm gonna get shit for this...does anybody on this thread besides me like Atreyu? I dig 'em; their songs are straight metalcore, but then they've got this lead guitarist who's in a total Iron Maiden power-metal fantasy world. It's a great combination. I just got their new album in this morning's mail (street date: June 29).

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:28 (twenty years ago) link

I have a sneaking like for Avenged Sevenfold for much the same reason... now *that's* a confession

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:30 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, go see Kataklysm. They're very spirited.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 15:28 (twenty years ago) link

>You're one of those guys who stands at the edge of the moshpit with his arms folded, scowling, aren't you?<

Ha, I usually stand in the back by the bar, and say stuff like "wow, look at all those goofy people in the mosh pit." unless opeth is playing, when it's more like, "ha, all those silly people up there in the mosh pot don't know what to do to music this slow and sad. how come clubs don't provide folding chairs at concerts like this?"

chuck, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 16:24 (twenty years ago) link

And if I AM at the edge of the moshpit, like in case i feel like getting my glasses broken or something, i'm usually calling the people in the moshpit "stupid assholes" instead of just "goofy."

chuck, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

>I usually stand in the back by the bar, and say stuff like "wow, look at all those goofy people in the mosh pit."

Me, too, except I'm saying "Wow, metal chicks are even hotter now than they were when I was in high school."

The Opeth show at Irving Plaza was great; all those dudes standing zombified, staring at Mike Akerfeldt's fingers the whole time.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 17:03 (twenty years ago) link

has there been a thread yet about when 'moshing' went from 'run in a circle flailing arms madly' to 'stand in one place and punch air frantically?'

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 21:53 (twenty years ago) link

"Nile were amazing live, not to mention tight, when I saw them."

They're from my hometown.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

Have there been any songs yet about wearing mouthguards in the pit? Anyone from Boston?

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

"Suffice it to say, does anybody besides me think Seasons in the Abyss is their most overrated (I hate that word, forgive me) album?"

I agree. I never listen to "Seasons..." as much as I do Reign in Blood or South of Heaven.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 22:53 (twenty years ago) link

I'm practically at that point with metal now that I don't pay much attention anymore, and just check out new albums by bands I already love. Though some friends introduce me to bands from time to time, my own researching-powers have died and gone to play those old Autopsy albums over and over instead.
So basically: Wake me up when the new Immolation comes out. I still think these guys are reason for the rest of the death metal scene to blush.

Of course, my total lack of money and album purchasing has a lot to do with this. My to-buy list still has a bunch of early-2003 releases like Spawn Of Possession's Cabinet.

That being said, the new My Dying Bride sounds really good... They've really managed to pick up the steam again (so to speak), as I felt everything between Turn Loose The Swans and The Dreadful Hours was a bit pedestrian.

Re: Kataklysm (welcome to usenet!)
That band is a really sad chapter, to me. Their first couple of releases are really amazing, particularly Sorcery! I've still not heard any other bands approach that sound. Sadly Kataklysm seemed to get more and more streamlined for each release, and now they sound half an Afflicted-riff away from moving to Stockholm.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

Sorcery was totally brilliant. I saw them a few times back then, always disorienting and amazing. I'm not as interested in the second incarnation, but they are great live. All things told, it's a remarkable transformation. Not many bands survive a change like that, and go on to a satisfying second life.

There's a leak of the new Darkthrone floating around -- a couple new twists, a more necro sound than Hate Them. Or you can wait six months for the official release, the poor bastards.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:08 (twenty years ago) link

unless opeth is playing, when it's more like, "ha, all those silly people up there in the mosh pot don't know what to do to music this slow and sad.

Just went to a Fantomas/Melt-Banana show and watching idiots try and mosh to the 5-15 seconds of appropriate stuff Fantomas played was fun. The songs would get all heavy, guys would start flailing around, then the band would start breaking down the riffs, getting all choppy and these guys would start getting confused trying to keep their flailing in step... and looking really goofy in the process. Finally, they'd just look mad when then band would inevitably go off on something completely different... that you can't punch people to.

But even though these guys could only mosh in 15 second intervals, some jerk still ripped my friend's jacket!

original bgm, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

Metal album I'm most looking forward too is the new Esoteric. Has anyone heard this yet? I read a review or two but I can't find it on soulseek. I can't wait.

original bgm, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

I got metal in the mail today! Hooray. Even got that Marduk dvd that was mentioned upthread. haven't watched it yet. So, I'm listening to Ragnarok's Blackdoor Miracle right now. Sounds like black metal to me! If you like black metal you might like it. Or you might not. At any rate, I'm digging it at the moment.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

Right now I am listening to the Science Fiction Idols's *Spooky Sugar* album, which just came in MY mail today, and which I like very much, though you probably won't unless you're as big a Faster Pussycat fan as I am. And yesterday I got the new Neurosis album in the mail, and the half of it I listened to this morning was very good as well. (I'll take that Marduk DVD home, I guess, but I bet I won't watch much of it.)

chuck, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:48 (twenty years ago) link

mmm, new Neurosis. (don't worry, i won't beg for your copy.)

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago) link

(Or maybe I WON'T take Marduk home. It looks way too long.)

xpost - hi scott! and bye! i'm going home now!

chuck, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago) link

But Chuck, if you watch the Marduk dvd you will get to see how French Marduk fans react to a Marduk set and THEN see how Polish Marduk fans react to the very same set! Aren't you curious?

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago) link

bye. have fun. marduk or no marduk.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Damn, now I'm psyched about the new Neurosis!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:12 (twenty years ago) link

Is this a sparkling fresh new album, or that Jarboe thing? In-for-mation! Please?

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:17 (twenty years ago) link

Did you like the Jarboe thing, Oystein? I did.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago) link

Marduk DVD: Polish film production crew whomps French film production crew.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:43 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks for the Kataklysm advice. I'm going. What the hell else am I going to do on a Sunday night? Watch "The Sopranos"? That's why I have TiVo.

I'm sure I'm gonna get shit for this...does anybody on this thread besides me like Atreyu? I dig 'em; their songs are straight metalcore, but then they've got this lead guitarist who's in a total Iron Maiden power-metal fantasy world. It's a great combination. I just got their new album in this morning's mail (street date: June 29).

I've been listening to that CD off and on for a couple of weeks. I guess I just don't like them as much as you do. I wrote this small preview to their show here tomorrow:
http://cityguide.entertainmentidaho.com/fe/Calendar/standalonehotticket.asp
I may go see Atreyu, anyway, for the hell of it. As a nice, sissy-boy warm-up to Kataklysm Sunday. Heh.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

But Ian, doncha think the French sound crew did a better job? If I were drunker I would be imitating the patented Marduk hair-flip all night long. But I'm too sleepy.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 01:27 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, supposing this isn't the Jarboe ablum you're talking about, is this new Neurosis album a radically different direction for them? I remember a press release hyping it as this, but that stuff is usually just, uh... hype. But I would welcome it if it were true. A Sun That Never Sets was basically a glorified single for "The Tide" in my eyes.

original bgm, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 02:11 (twenty years ago) link

I went to see Kataklysm. There were 25 people there. It was sad. But the band was pretty damn good, especially the guitarist. Talked to the vocalist afterward. He said the whole West Coast tour has been pretty dismal. Man, I hate this economy.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 00:34 (twenty years ago) link

Welp, in case anyone else is still wondering, there is indeed a new Neurosis album, coming out next month on Neurot/Relapse as usual. The title is "The eye of every storm".

They've put one song on their website, which sounds pretty intriguing to me. Although the first time I played it, I thought someone was breaking into the garage because of that odd percussive bit that pops by a few times.
Neurosis - Eye Burn.mp3


The best metal albums I've heard so far this year have been the new Mayhem and My Dying Bride. Somewhat surprising really, but then I'm one of the few who also really liked the last Mayhem. MDB have proved that the last album wasn't a fluke as far as being able to make me exclaim "what the hell? They're GOOD again!?"

Oh, and I'll also like to plug one of the few good demo bands I know of these days, the Lotus Project. Very fancy musicianship, with some seriously cronkly rhythms abound, but not falling into the traps that those bands that tend to be called "prog metal" are usually stuck in. I'm sure these guys have listened to Cynic and Atheist quite a bit in their life.
Closets comparison point I can come up with is Italian death metallers Karnak.
[Lotus Project] This site has the "Echo" demo for download. I see they have a 'Maiden cover too now that wasn't there last I looked...

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 01:09 (twenty years ago) link

Here's where to download a new Confessor song.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 05:20 (twenty years ago) link

hell yeah! thanks ian!

that loincloth band is related to confessor, right? the music is totally in line with "condemned." which is a great album.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 05:51 (twenty years ago) link

At which point I'm going to type

GRAVES AT SEA

and leave it at that

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 08:27 (twenty years ago) link

what about BURIED AT SEA? they're pretty good.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 08:54 (twenty years ago) link

Confessor? New song!?
How on earth did THAT happen?
Next you're gonna tell me that the reunited Watchtower have not only recorded "Mathematics", but are releasing it in two days.
Anyways, I can't find any way to download the song from their site, only some terrible way to played it embedded in the flash-page...

Oh, the new Today Is The Day, "Kiss The Pig", is sounding really good too, but then I'm a big fan of that band. I think the new drummer is Rosswog from Circle Of Dead Children, who's really good, despite supposedly only starting drumming like a year before joining CODC?

Is the Loincloth demo still available? I emailed them to order a copy back when it came out, got a reply where they said something about them contacting me in a couple of days, and then I never heard from them again. Guess I should try again, as I've only heard positive things about it.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:25 (twenty years ago) link

Is the new TITD on promo or leaked or what?

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:33 (twenty years ago) link

Don't know, I've only heard the two songs that are available over on relapse.com... I guess promos should be out at least, as I know several people say Austin has sent them copies of it.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:39 (twenty years ago) link

Confessor? New song!?
How on earth did THAT happen?

I think they played a memorial show when Ivan Colon died, and that night flames were rekindled and soon after practice spaces rented.

Yep, Loincloth is Confessor's rhythm section with Pen Rollings and another bloke on guitars.

I'm fairly sure Watchtower is back together, and I'm certain their second career will be cut short by the Dangerous Toys reunion. That's just how things go.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:51 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, Watchtower have been back together for a couple of years, and the plan was to record Mathematics, finally, but things have been very silent on that front for a couple of years already (though I know they're still playing the odd show)

I wonder why there aren't more "Old boys teams" in death metal (aka supergroups! Except more fun!)
I'd like to hear more one-off projects between those guys... Luc Lemay and Flo Mounier (sp?) playing with Immolation would be something something something. But that's a different thread alltogether.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:16 (twenty years ago) link

On a more depressing note, I spent a couple hours the other night digging through a heavy crate of current metal releases from the past few months. This is a prolific time, and there's more than enough metal for any taste -- yet even so, I find it hard to appreciate in any small way the rise of EURO POWER METAL. I can barely tolerate the nu-Nitro corniness of Rhapsody, and the Sha Na Na appeal of Hammerfall makes perfect sense. But reckoning the bland liquid cheese of Nightwish, Tarot, Twilightning, Stratovarius, and Dragonforce is too much to digest in one fell swoop. I should have paced myself. Now I feel violated in light shades of airbrushed purple by impotent perfume metal.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:34 (twenty years ago) link

One of the most unfortunately ignored albums I've heard recently is the Force Of Evil disc. It's two ex-Mercyful Fate (guitars) and two ex-King Diamond (rhythm) guys, plus some anonymous screecher, and it's great melodic retro-thrash.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:44 (twenty years ago) link

Nightwish are lovely, Ian is so wrong!
And that new Neurosis album might be their best one ever, I think -- it's probably my favorite metal-per-se (as opposed to hard rock that nobody but me thinks is metal anymore) album of 2004 so far.

chuck, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

where is the lickgoldensky love. the new record is mindblowing.

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

lickengoldensky love and (much more deserved, to my ears) lickgoldensky cynicism are both upthread, myke.

chuck, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

i listened to that lickgoldensky thing. i'm not exactly clear on why everyone's so hysterical about it, sounded pretty normal 'posthardcore' to me.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:53 (twenty years ago) link


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