― frank e., Thursday, 2 March 2006 08:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― darin (darin), Thursday, 2 March 2006 08:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― naturemorte, Thursday, 2 March 2006 08:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 March 2006 08:42 (eighteen years ago) link
-- darin (darin...), March 2nd, 2006.
Most people (even "normal" ones) don't like being bullshitted, regardless of the relative level of importance.
― gdfgdfg, Thursday, 2 March 2006 08:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 March 2006 08:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 2 March 2006 08:53 (eighteen years ago) link
But I still think you guys underestimate the audience sometimes...
― darin (darin), Thursday, 2 March 2006 09:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― darin (darin), Thursday, 2 March 2006 09:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 2 March 2006 09:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― naturemorte, Thursday, 2 March 2006 09:34 (eighteen years ago) link
This is exactly the scenario that played out when Steve Martin (Nasty Little Man) went after Brent DiCrescenzo's Beastie Boys review at Pitchfork: an established (and aging) industry peer sees a young cub juggling knives - which we all do to get people to look at us - but instead of smiling knowingly at the bravado - "Hey, I'm on this kid's radar, cute" - Lookner grabs one by the handle and jabs it into his forehead Munich-style.
Lookner is a fellow Harvard alum, and a tiring L.A. comedy writer from the dire MAD TV/mid-90s SNL eras. He was a big part of The Man Show. You will find him falling off the edge of a bar with Jay Mohr on most Wednesday nights. Check out Mohr's Gasping for Airtime insight into this meathead frat-boy clique's pathetic insubstantiality.
Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
Chris OttEditor in ChiefSPIN Magazine
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 2 March 2006 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link
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― ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Thursday, 2 March 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 2 March 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link
Ethics not aside, if you're going to make something up, just write a book or something. It's called "fiction," and a lot of people like it.
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link
I feel bad for Sylvester, hopefully this mess will blow over.
Also could Eppy stop posting to this thread. Or be castrated. Or at least stop talking about "we" as though he is more than one lonely person.
― Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link
This isn't a instance of journalistic ethics that Nick Sylvester didn't learn at j-school or the tutelage of an editor. It's pretty basic morals. If you need to be told that lying is wrong, you've got problems that need more than a suspension. Which is why any editor who hires Nick from here on out will have a credibility problem to contend with. I'm sure Nick's a nice guy, but he just took a long piss into the wind without a clean towel in view.
FWIW, Ruth Shalit hasn't had a byline in years.
― don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link
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-- Eppy (epp...), March 2nd, 2006.
I don't feel I should devote my time here on this thread to guessing what you are gonna say.
Say it or get off the can.
― Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link
wtf at all this 'fact-checker' shit? just do it right the first time, you lazy so-and-sos.
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― ,,,,,,,,,,,, Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link
NICK LIE ALL YOU WANT YOU ARE INTERNATIONAL GONZO MUSIC SEX SYMBOL!!
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link
newspapers should have fact-checkers. ostensibly, newspapers report news, and for a paper (even an alt-weekly) to lay off its fact-checkers is very irresponsible. i totally agree that journalists people who write for newspapers have an unspoken oath to get their facts straight, but the factchecking department should always be on guard to cover the newspaper's ass.
― jbr, Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link
"caring" isn't the vicefork WAY
― jbr, Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link
it is a newspaper, in that it often publshes news features.
― Autonomous University of Zacatecas (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link
In its March 30 issue, The Village Voice broke a shocking story connecting the growth of US-aided Muslim militance in Afghanistan with the February bombing of the World Trade Center.
(...)
In March of this year, the Village Voice broke exclusive new details of a special IBM wartime subsidiary set up in Poland by IBM's New York headquarters shortly after Hitler's 1939 invasion.
First, there was the story the Village Voice broke about the Mayor's aides allegedly offering a $144,000/year job to former City Councilman Thomas Ognibene in order not to run against Mayor Bloomberg in the GOP primary.
- its not a serious paper or anything
― ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link
"Disclaimer: With the exception of the MP3 and verifiable band bio, this entire entry is probably made up."
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link
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instead of smiling knowingly at the bravado - "Hey, I'm on this kid's radar, cute"
how would you feel if a big newspaper printed a story saying you were in new york when you weren't? how would your wife + family feel?
― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link
it wouldn't work. they would hear me snoring on the couch.
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link
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― ,,,,,,,,,, Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link
JIMMY: YES I AM ADDICTED TO IT
RIFF: WOULD YOU SAY YOU ARE "CUCKOO" FOR IT
JIMMY: ...
― ,,,,,,,,,,, Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link
You know you've hit bottom when Tom Smith is lecturing you about ethics.
― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link
2) fluffpiece/lifestyle feature 'journalist' fate (neil strauss, tom junod, richard meltzer) - positive: nothing negative happens to yr career. negative: this means you're still a fluffpiece/lifestyle feature 'journalist'. positive: except now you're better paid. negative: you become an even bigger asshole.
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link