good one
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Monday, 25 October 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
not surprising, you continue to demonstrate that in addition to knowing jack shit about the subject at hand you also have the social skills of a teenage boy
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 25 October 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
This is the Salem thread all over again.
ILM sucks.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 25 October 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
illbient more of a spoiler scene, like dubstep, mainly just dudes who were not successful at making hip hop or trip hop.
so dubstep producers are dudes who were not successful at...techno?
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
lol, is this what these threads are usually like?
― O'Donnell and the Brain (HI DERE), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Is moonship already lobbying to get me banned from the thread?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
haha no, I was reading this because of the positive mentions of Demdike Stare on the Salem thread and now I see what deej was complaining about (although really I can think of about a bazillion different rhetorical styles that are better to emulate than this)
― O'Donnell and the Brain (HI DERE), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
oh please, when have i ever lobbied to get you kicked off a thread lobbed my man juice down your mom's throat?
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 25 October 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ things I don't expect to read when I open a Demdike Stare thread.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
When did you turn into a budget Dane Cook???
― O'Donnell and the Brain (HI DERE), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
you're seriously understating the experimental, exploratory, artmusic fringes of illbient, moonship. in combining musique concrete and abstract sound with hip hop, in delivering a hip hop that could be rhythmically fractured, and could play meta games with philosophy and art theory, i think illbient did combine familiar things in distinctly novel ways.
Contenderizer, you're not... seriously... making this argument are you??
― Tim F, Monday, 25 October 2010 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
insert joke about your budget mom here
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 25 October 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
xp: I really want to know what "rhythmically fractured" means because I kind of don't see anything in that description that couldn't be covered by, well, regular old hip-hop.
― O'Donnell and the Brain (HI DERE), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
So now I'm assuming that what illbient "did" was read a Divine Styler press release.
― Tim F, Monday, 25 October 2010 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
haha exactly
― O'Donnell and the Brain (HI DERE), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
well, yeah. but i'm not claiming to be any kind of expert and am perfectly willing to be set straight. sure, you can point to something like spiral walls containing autumns of light as a precedent, but that album was and still is a massive outlier. there's almost nothing in the world like it. it didn't proceed from anything going on in hip hop at the time, or kick off any significant mainstream following.
when i say rhythmically fractured, i mean aggressively arythmic, broken. shit you can't dance or even nod to. and i think illbient's (perhaps forced) relationship to academic art theory & music was novel in american hip hop. though, again, i'm perfectly happy to be schooled...
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
love spiral walls, btw
... so what exactly are you talking about here, because the most prominent name that pops up on Wikipedia when I look up "illbient" is DJ Spooky, and I know you can't be talking about him unless you just can't dance
― O'Donnell and the Brain (HI DERE), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
also: Sub Dub, DJ Olive, Boards of Canada
― O'Donnell and the Brain (HI DERE), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
illbient was like well after dj shadow, though. everyone was already well steeped in all sorts of fractured atmospheric hip hop beats when "galactic funk@ happened, and from there it only got worse.
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 25 October 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i am in large part talking about spooky. i liked spooky, though haven't listened to him in ages. some of his shit is danceable ("galactic funk" ffs) and some is just chunks of noise - sometimes abstract, sometimes concrete, sometimes splintered beats.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
kind of want someone to call me on the explicit art theory/music concrete connections
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Can someone post an audio sample of what contenderizer is talking about here that was new and novel and not actually stuff that people had been doing for like 10+ years in the hip-hop, ambient and industrial worlds before DJ Spooky came along?
― O'Donnell and the Brain (HI DERE), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
my main point being that i don't see DdS doing anything incredibly radical relative to what the c.96 illbient players were doing. not that illbient WAS so incredibly radical (kinda was, kinda wasn't, as has been pointed out), rather that demdike are playing around on the fringes of established scenes/sounds in a similar way.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
no, I'm totally in "yelling at you about a point completely irrelevant to your argument" mode, don't try to derail me
― O'Donnell and the Brain (HI DERE), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
the simple act of crossing the streams between hip hop, ambient and industrial was itself somewhat novel, especially as it was framed in specifically hip hop (and artmusic) context. it's one thing for an industrial producer to borrow hip hop beats and ambient noise and present it as industrial music, quite another for a hip hop dj to do the same thing. context is everything.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
quite another for a hip hop dj to do the same thing... and in the process to explicitly frame his hip hop production as a 20th century artistic and critical practice on par with musique concrete and academic deconstruction.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
there has to be a way to just fucking post in threads without making them go all pear-shaped
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
ILM: Where Everything Is A Fight For Some Reason
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer)
Yes, make everyone use their real names.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 00:14 (thirteen years ago) link
quite another for a hip hop dj ... to explicitly frame his hip hop production as a 20th century artistic and critical practice on par with musique concrete and academic deconstruction
so wait, now you get a prize for being pretentious?
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link
btw the way guys, my posts on this forum are a 21st century critical practice on par with slavoj zizek
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf dude? spooky is pretentious as shit. i'm just talking about what he did, and he made a big deal about it. are you developing a hilarious internet style?
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.modern-love.co.uk/releases/voices-of-dust
― scott seward, Friday, 19 November 2010 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link
siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 19 November 2010 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Demdike Stare: Tryptych, 3xCD compilation of all LPs released in 2010 + extra unreleased material, out 24 Jan '11 on Modern Love
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, was just coming here to post this. Good for folks like me who missed out on thiose limited 12"s
Artist: Demdike StareAlbum: TryptychRelease Date: January 24Label: Modern Love
Tracklist:
Disco One - Forest of Evil01 Forest of Evil (Dusk)02 Forest of Evil (Dawn)03 Quiet Sky (Bonus Track)
Disc Two - Liberation Through Hearing01 Caged in Stammheim02 Eurydice03 Regolith04 The Stars Are Moving05 Bardo Thodol06 Matilda's Dream07 Nothing But the Night 2 (Bonus Track)08 Library of Solomon Book 1 (Bonus Track)09 Library of Solomon Book 2 (Bonus Track)
Disc Three - Voices of Dust01 Black Sun02 Hashshashin Chant03 Repository of Light04 Of Decay & Shadows05 Rain & Shame06 Desert Ascetic07 Viento de Levante08 Leptonic Matter09 A Tale of Sand10 Filtered Through Prejudice (Bonus Track)11 Past Is Past (Bonus Track)
Notes: This 3xCD set compiles the dubby techno outfit's three 2010 releases and adds 40 minutes of previously unreleased material.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 25 November 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
the lock grooves on the 'liberation through hearing' lp are strangely appropriate, scratchy vinyl sound until you get up and flip the record
― lube fiasco (diamonddave85), Friday, 3 December 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bL1I7XSqZQ
― flopson, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.gifbin.com/982973
― flopson, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.gifbin.com/bin/052009/1242802986_arnoldsmokingpot.gif
― flopson, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway, mixed grr at the wealth of bonus on that CD set. i mean, i'm psyched for more DS, but the vinyl buyer feels a wee bit cheezed, pressured to buy again what i already own.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah feels very mean. It would be nice if they would at least issued some sort of download credits for vinyl buyers.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Not that I bought the vinyl myself lol, but yeah I would feel gypped buying this SUPER LIMITED MUST BUY thing only to find that a CD boxed set with bonuses was in the offing.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
eh, kind of have to expect that, tbh.
six tracks in 40 min, though! figure "quiet sky" is probably like 20m on its own.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
This looks like something I should already have got, I think I was dissuaded by the title.
― Nedrag "Neđa" Mijatović (nakhchivan), Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
if curious, check out "forest of evil" (either version) and "repository of light"
― contenderizer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Triptych has leaked. It's less overwhelming than I expected (not in regards to quality, but quantity). I also expected "quiet sky" to be 20 odd minutes, but it is just a three minute cool down track. All up there is another 40 odd minutes scattered throughout.
― Jedmond, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Do you mean the bonus tracks leaked? Isn't the rest of this released material?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry, no the entire three cd set has leaked.
― Jedmond, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcVjeyDPvuo
― X-101, Friday, 15 August 2014 12:21 (nine years ago) link
No thoughts on Wonderland here?
― Evan, Friday, 9 December 2016 16:19 (seven years ago) link
I prefer droney Demdike like Liberation EP, kind of disliked the Testpressing series when it was coming out but think this album is great on first couple listens
― fgti, Friday, 9 December 2016 16:51 (seven years ago) link
I like as always how their production m.o. is "a good idea presented simply"
― fgti, Friday, 9 December 2016 16:52 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I really like it. I was initially disappointed to read they'd moved away from the droney side of things but this LP is great.
― Evan, Friday, 9 December 2016 17:14 (seven years ago) link
picked up the 3cd edition today, so have a lot of soak up,but 'elogy' from the testpressings is fantastic.i much prefer this to the drone stuff to be honest.
― mark e, Thursday, 8 June 2017 13:44 (seven years ago) link
the 3cd edition is the one to get, fantastic to have the testpressings collected. "eulogy" is great, yes. each time after i play "dyslogy" in my car i feel i have to secure all nuts and bolts
― willem, Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:02 (seven years ago) link
yeah, proper double whammy those two, love them.
cant wait to get this on the home stereo over the weekend.
― mark e, Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:05 (seven years ago) link
blimey. "past majesty" is borderline earl brutus/pre new
― mark e, Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:17 (seven years ago) link
proper stereo listening : does not disappoint.
― mark e, Saturday, 10 June 2017 18:14 (seven years ago) link
Revisiting the testpressings, "Fail" is absolutely immense.
― toby, Thursday, 15 November 2018 10:13 (five years ago) link
disc 3 - track 1 ?that got listed as 'Fall' when I ripped the cd.or, is this a different track ?
― mark e, Thursday, 15 November 2018 10:42 (five years ago) link
Should be Fail, I think:
https://www.discogs.com/Demdike-Stare-Testpressing-004/release/5183044
https://www.discogs.com/Demdike-Stare-Wonderland/release/9435052
― toby, Thursday, 15 November 2018 10:59 (five years ago) link
brilliant, it is the same track.so, to answer your point : yup, it sounds fantastic.
― mark e, Thursday, 15 November 2018 11:05 (five years ago) link
Can't wait to see them here in a couple of weeks. A chance I never thought I'd get!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:16 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY4k4d9iRVk
enjoying myself
― j., Saturday, 2 March 2019 16:30 (five years ago) link