the quietus : the new look

This extremely lengthy article was edited on an iPhone on a train

Doran, you are a valued poster, smart dude and a sweet guy but you def not doing yourself any favors with this

It's a small business still in its second year run entirely by three people. If I have to go an do a job for someone else I still have to be working. There's nothing I can do about that. I have to pay my rent etc.

But we're hopefully going to be in a position to sort out sub editors for next year. I know it's something that's long overdue. In fact it's my main concern about the site.

KSH: No, I'm just rushing about and not checking anything. Apologies.

for the record that was c sharp major w/ a display name that starts "ksh," not me :-)

disregarding anyone's opinion simply because you disagree with elements of their taste is such a dumbfuck internet persona thing to do
the proliferation of this attitude is a major reason why i avoid most of ilm
i subject myself to "LOL u LIKE a$her U so CORNY" on swag threads because internet SERIOUS BUSINESS/good source to find new music/useful to hear what people who don't share my tastes think about a genre that matters to me.
"I stopped paying attention to you once you mentioned artist X who I hate who is by any reasonable outsider estimation only marginally different from artist Y who I like" is just the worst of looks

aka "LOL zingculture"

lol u like asher roth

that too.

Bad taste is fine if someone's at least attempting to make a convincing case for it, rather than writing a circular mess of nonarguments and critical cliches.

presuming you're defining "bad" as "not mine" in that sentence

being butthurt about other people dismissing ur opinion is a dumbfuck irl thing to do

Hey everybody...first meeting.....um....My name is Matt....and I like Black Star better than Waka Flocka Flame.

xp because rap threads guys never get butthurt about dismissing of opinions, oh no.

ah, but that butthurt can be waved away a few posts later as "jokes."

more like 500 posts later

i dont go on rap threads there are dudes who like asher roth there

I am champion at beer pong

xpost to forks

It's not so much that he likes Asher Roth but that he recommends him as being a good alternative to what he essentially calls stupid hiphop. Because inane rhymes about beer pong are sooooooooo much more speshal than i dunno a devin record.

Oh and using mainstream hiphops love of gold and weed as a stick to beat it with - like why have you cared to listen to the genre since run dmc's dooky gold rope?

forks is otm in this though, there's a contingent among the zing crew whose take is like "you don't like what we like? LOL U MUST BE SO STUPID OMG U R NOT DOWN WITH THE RAT PACK" and it's like "wow, guys, turn 19 already"

the rat pack?

ref to obscure lyric, don't mind me I'm sleepy.

lol u must me so stupid omg u r not down with the odd future wolf pack kill them all

but the broader point: within the petri dish of ilm, the rap heads seems especially hegemonic & intolerant of any opinions that fall outside of the consensus imo - and it feels like they've really worked hard to get to this insular point of intolerance, so who can begrudge them their "achievement"

ethan started it, deej just carries the torch imo

uabiho: how does that work in terms of being called a racist for not liking all of the same ukhh as the guy who wrote the article?

aero you're acting like we're picking on some feeble dude w/ a blog -- the actual piece itself is as inflammatory if not more!

Fuckin hipster cunts fucking it all up for everyone forever: not to piss on your parade pricks, this rag-mag bullshit’s fine if your life is spent giggling about pop, but for those of us who need it to make life worth living it’s simply not good enough.

no no I don't give a shit about the quietus piece, you guys are in the right on that count, it's just like srsly for like 10+ yrs, as a guy who was into rap from the ground floor & had his life changed by it it's been like "really? you have to like exactly the same shit as everybody else or yr a herb? fuckin bummer, that's exactly what foghat fans were like"

forks is otm in this though, there's a contingent among the zing crew whose take is like "you don't like what we like? LOL U MUST BE SO STUPID OMG U R NOT DOWN WITH THE RAT PACK" and it's like "wow, guys, turn 19 already"

― guess I'll just sing dream on again (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:29 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

isnt this exactly what his article is saying, though

also, who does that here? name names.

except NOT DOWN WITH THE RAT PACK is QUITE RITE MATE CREATIVITY AINT WOT IT USED 2 BE FANCY A PINT

Seriously I don't think any of us (deej maybe) have a problem with him not liking ringtone canon music. It's that he seems to have made up his list of underground* alternatives** from flicking through some random blogs ignoring whole huge scenes like 'Bama or Oakland etc.

*underground music such as that hard to find Big Boi album. Never even heard of this dude.
**Drag-On, seriously? As an alternative to finding weed-smoking and materialistic hip-hop? In 2010? Seriously? I mean really?

[in trying to find out if anyone cared about Drag-On in 2010 I found out that Swiss Beatz named his first child Prince Nasim, so watch out for a fat rapping boxer coming to yr blogs anytime soon.]

i dont think the swag cru is particularly down on old heads. i think m@tt gets along w/ us fine, its just a 'stay in your lane' kind of thing. old head condescension is much more annoying than taking new music seriously. sorry if you disagree

But what rap's megastars don’t understand as they book their limos & collaborators for a swift evac from rap's stinkydoings

shocked that the word "droogies" doesn't appear in here somewhere

not that we even tell m@tt to 'stay in his lane' -- we tend to encourage him to check out nu stuff were feeling (frankly on some levels im closer to M@tt's outlook than swag cru's, i.e. lil b)

dude, whiney, all y'all. that is how the entire rap discussion crew on ilm comes off to me. I stopped bothering to participate like 5 years ago because it felt like such an insular what-we-like-and-only-what-we-like scene. you can say "ua yr nuts, that impression is yr insecurity" if you want but i seriously don't think so, ilm rap thread regulars are total dicks about what they like & dont' like. like, worse than me on the metal thread is how bad.

"isnt this exactly what his article is saying, though"
my point was that BOTH sides are guilty of acting insular and intolerant in this teapot
maybe it's a hip hop thing? battling is v much the bedrock of the culture tho lately there's more beef amongst bloggerati than performers

i can never tell if anyone in swag cru actually likes lil b or if they are just pointing and laughing

don't say "bedrock," forks

its really not like that aerosmith -- id say were just pretty aggy abt ppl who rely on cliche /received wisdom about new rap

i mean, i disagree about a lot of new rap -- the omgwtfk crew isnt my thing, although i think theyre alright, and i dont like lil b at all. i rep for bay area rap that pretty much no one else is feeling (or at least talks about). m@tt & myself and some other folks (except surfboards lol) rep for 90s style shit like roc marciano.

bagging on asher roth or drag-on is like, fish-bucket stuff, not really representative of how we usually talk about rap

this dudes article still sucks

and LOL at "stay in your lane"
just don't participate in the conversation unless you are READY TO TYPE WITH THE BIG BOYS

i've been reppin roc marci hard and want a namecheck too

basically
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs157.snc4/37211_443126067395_158312122395_5809978_2390513_n.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qfR4ZWxfqg

http://i56.tinypic.com/2qj8wlj.jpg

like, the heated arguments over rap on ilm are when swag cru members get into it about shit, not when some outside poster posts about some shit and we're all like "uh fuck you"

i mean we've absorbed dudes like samosa gibreel & tpp & a hoy hoy & surfboards & jacques lemare recently -- we dig new posters

deej, when your common response to you or any of the artists you like being challenged in any way is to hide behind "the swag cru", howl about how the other guy doesn't know what they're talking about or to completely ignore any worthwhile points being made that is not running with the big dogs, that is getting nipped at by puppies

aero- see now i wasn't on ilm 5 years ago but in the 2ish years i have been i dont really see where you are coming from (other than deej going mental over gucci at times). There is concensus on many things but there is no problem when people feel otherwise to that [Whiney liking new Jay-Z and Gucci-haters spring to mind.] We discuss where ppl are coming from but again I rarely feel that it is a 'omg you have a different opinion fuck you like what we like' and I don't think it could be like that considering none of us really have the same taste [Jordan and deej most prob come closest but they run a blog together].

This dude is calling people a racist for listening to some black music over other black music though, and so should be called out for such stupidity.

xpost do i have to make the obvious joke here or is forks gonna go back and do it as per usual

deej, when your common response to you or any of the artists you like being challenged in any way is to hide behind "the swag cru", howl about how the other guy doesn't know what they're talking about or to completely ignore any worthwhile points being made that is not running with the big dogs, that is getting nipped at by puppies

― a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

how does one 'howl' on a message board