the quietus : the new look

no no I don't give a shit about the quietus piece, you guys are in the right on that count, it's just like srsly for like 10+ yrs, as a guy who was into rap from the ground floor & had his life changed by it it's been like "really? you have to like exactly the same shit as everybody else or yr a herb? fuckin bummer, that's exactly what foghat fans were like"

forks is otm in this though, there's a contingent among the zing crew whose take is like "you don't like what we like? LOL U MUST BE SO STUPID OMG U R NOT DOWN WITH THE RAT PACK" and it's like "wow, guys, turn 19 already"

― guess I'll just sing dream on again (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:29 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

isnt this exactly what his article is saying, though

also, who does that here? name names.

except NOT DOWN WITH THE RAT PACK is QUITE RITE MATE CREATIVITY AINT WOT IT USED 2 BE FANCY A PINT

Seriously I don't think any of us (deej maybe) have a problem with him not liking ringtone canon music. It's that he seems to have made up his list of underground* alternatives** from flicking through some random blogs ignoring whole huge scenes like 'Bama or Oakland etc.

*underground music such as that hard to find Big Boi album. Never even heard of this dude.
**Drag-On, seriously? As an alternative to finding weed-smoking and materialistic hip-hop? In 2010? Seriously? I mean really?

[in trying to find out if anyone cared about Drag-On in 2010 I found out that Swiss Beatz named his first child Prince Nasim, so watch out for a fat rapping boxer coming to yr blogs anytime soon.]

i dont think the swag cru is particularly down on old heads. i think m@tt gets along w/ us fine, its just a 'stay in your lane' kind of thing. old head condescension is much more annoying than taking new music seriously. sorry if you disagree

But what rap's megastars don’t understand as they book their limos & collaborators for a swift evac from rap's stinkydoings

shocked that the word "droogies" doesn't appear in here somewhere

not that we even tell m@tt to 'stay in his lane' -- we tend to encourage him to check out nu stuff were feeling (frankly on some levels im closer to M@tt's outlook than swag cru's, i.e. lil b)

dude, whiney, all y'all. that is how the entire rap discussion crew on ilm comes off to me. I stopped bothering to participate like 5 years ago because it felt like such an insular what-we-like-and-only-what-we-like scene. you can say "ua yr nuts, that impression is yr insecurity" if you want but i seriously don't think so, ilm rap thread regulars are total dicks about what they like & dont' like. like, worse than me on the metal thread is how bad.

"isnt this exactly what his article is saying, though"
my point was that BOTH sides are guilty of acting insular and intolerant in this teapot
maybe it's a hip hop thing? battling is v much the bedrock of the culture tho lately there's more beef amongst bloggerati than performers

i can never tell if anyone in swag cru actually likes lil b or if they are just pointing and laughing

don't say "bedrock," forks

its really not like that aerosmith -- id say were just pretty aggy abt ppl who rely on cliche /received wisdom about new rap

i mean, i disagree about a lot of new rap -- the omgwtfk crew isnt my thing, although i think theyre alright, and i dont like lil b at all. i rep for bay area rap that pretty much no one else is feeling (or at least talks about). m@tt & myself and some other folks (except surfboards lol) rep for 90s style shit like roc marciano.

bagging on asher roth or drag-on is like, fish-bucket stuff, not really representative of how we usually talk about rap

this dudes article still sucks

and LOL at "stay in your lane"
just don't participate in the conversation unless you are READY TO TYPE WITH THE BIG BOYS

i've been reppin roc marci hard and want a namecheck too

basically
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs157.snc4/37211_443126067395_158312122395_5809978_2390513_n.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qfR4ZWxfqg

http://i56.tinypic.com/2qj8wlj.jpg

like, the heated arguments over rap on ilm are when swag cru members get into it about shit, not when some outside poster posts about some shit and we're all like "uh fuck you"

i mean we've absorbed dudes like samosa gibreel & tpp & a hoy hoy & surfboards & jacques lemare recently -- we dig new posters

deej, when your common response to you or any of the artists you like being challenged in any way is to hide behind "the swag cru", howl about how the other guy doesn't know what they're talking about or to completely ignore any worthwhile points being made that is not running with the big dogs, that is getting nipped at by puppies

aero- see now i wasn't on ilm 5 years ago but in the 2ish years i have been i dont really see where you are coming from (other than deej going mental over gucci at times). There is concensus on many things but there is no problem when people feel otherwise to that [Whiney liking new Jay-Z and Gucci-haters spring to mind.] We discuss where ppl are coming from but again I rarely feel that it is a 'omg you have a different opinion fuck you like what we like' and I don't think it could be like that considering none of us really have the same taste [Jordan and deej most prob come closest but they run a blog together].

This dude is calling people a racist for listening to some black music over other black music though, and so should be called out for such stupidity.

xpost do i have to make the obvious joke here or is forks gonna go back and do it as per usual

deej, when your common response to you or any of the artists you like being challenged in any way is to hide behind "the swag cru", howl about how the other guy doesn't know what they're talking about or to completely ignore any worthwhile points being made that is not running with the big dogs, that is getting nipped at by puppies

― a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

how does one 'howl' on a message board

http://www.allenginsberg.org/

& who is 'hiding behind' the swag cru -- i have beef w/ those dudes abt stuff all day
sorry u feel excluded forks. maybe u should bring something to the table that doesnt involve novelty youtubes

i need to go out an jog but i've just been refreshing this thread instead

yeah basically my conclusion has been to stay on the porch because the big dogs seem like a buncha fuckin assholes, is what I'm saying

if that's an awesome look for you in trying to talk about music...cool, get yours, w/e

What pelican of magnets and aluminium bashed open their phones and ate up their brains and imagination?

Miracles! Solitude! Filth! Face paint! Ashcans and unobtainable dollars! Juggaloes screaming under the fukkin rainbows! Boys sobbing in bizzars! Old scientists weeping in the piss!

Miracles! Magic! Nightmare of Miracles! Miracles the loveless! Mental Miracles! Miracles the heavy judger of juggalos!

Miracles the incomprehensible prison! Miracles the crossbone soulless jailhouse and Congress of sorrows! Magic whose butterflies are judgement! Magic the vast neden of war! Fukkin the stunned governments! Bang! Pow! Boom!

Miracles whose mind is pure machinery! Miracles whose blood is running magic! Miracles whose fingers are joker card armies! Miracles whose breast is some sweet fat titties! Miracles whose ear is a smoking tomb!

Miracles whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Miracles whose skyscrapers stand in the long streets like endless Shangri-La! Miracles whose factories dream and choke in their face paint! Miracles whose smokestacks and magic crown the fukkin cities!

Juggalettes whose love is endless oil and stone! Miracles whose soul is electricity and wank jokes! Miracles whose poverty is the specter of our customer fan base! Miracles whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen, until they come party at next year's Gathering! Miracles whose name is the Mind! Fuck you scientists!

Miracles in whom I sit lonely! Miracles in whom I dream fundy Christian angels! Crazy in Miracles! Cocksucker in Eminem's crew! Lacklove and manless in I dunno, whatever!

Miracles who entered my soul early! Miracles in whom I am a consciousness without a body! Miracles who frightened me out of my natural ecstasy! Miracles whom I abandon! Wake up in Magic! Light streaming out of the sky and shit!

Miracles! Miracles! Robot apartments! invisable suburbs! skeleton treasuries! blind capitals! demonic industries! spectral nations! invincible madhouses! granite cocks! monstrous bombs!

They broke their backs lifting Miracles to Heaven! Pavements, trees, radios, tons! lifting the city to Heaven which exists and is everywhere about us!

Visions! omens! hallucinations! neden! miracles! ecstacies! gone down the American river!

Dreams! adorations! illuminations! religions! the whole boatload of sensitive bullshit!

Breakthroughs! over the river! flips and crucifixions! gone down the flood! Highs! Epiphanies! Despairs! Join the band wagon wigga it's a juggalo party! Ten years' animal screams and suicides! Minds! New loves! Mad generation! down on the rocks of Time! I stab people!

Real holy laughter in the river! They saw it all! the wild eyes! the holy yells! They bade farewell! They jumped off the roof! to solitude! waving! carrying flowers! Down to the river! into the street!

― he might have even have gone in. (a hoy hoy), Monday, 12 April 2010 23:04 (6 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha jordan & i disagree about stuff all the time!! idk point is that we are not monolithic, but this article is monolithically dumb, mostly bcuz of the writing style, but also because the opinions try to damn whole swaths of awesome music & his aesthetic approach is arbitrary & generally lame

sorry u feel excluded forks. maybe u should bring something to the table that doesnt involve novelty youtubes

like this - idk if u know this, but to any person outside of yr own pathological relation to forks, you just come off like a fucking dick with whom nobody in his right mind would want to engage in discussion

yeah basically my conclusion has been to stay on the porch because the big dogs seem like a buncha fuckin assholes, is what I'm saying

if that's an awesome look for you in trying to talk about music...cool, get yours, w/e

― guess I'll just sing dream on again (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, October 26, 2010 7:02 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a pretty funny perspective considering it was basically everyone vs. me in that gza thread

it's just frustrating with you deej, cuz you really do seem to care about the music and you know a lot about it but you're constantly standoffish and insulting
i'm long past the point of being offended or butthurt, it's just tired and disappointing when i'm warming up to a talk about how gucci really does represent a corporate logo and all you got is "STFU signed everyone on this thread" and then 24 hrs later it's "i am sorry you see it that way"

and go for a jog whiney

haha jordan & i disagree about stuff all the time!! idk point is that we are not monolithic, but this article is monolithically dumb, mostly bcuz of the writing style, but also because the opinions try to damn whole swaths of awesome music & his aesthetic approach is arbitrary & generally lame

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Tuesday, October 26, 2010 7:03 PM (1 second ago) Bookmark

^^

imo deej takes a great deal of pride in having turned himself into a standoffish and insulting person instead of the engaged & naive person he was when he got here who got cruelly clowned by a bunch of people

this is a pretty funny perspective considering it was basically everyone vs. me in that gza thread

in fairness tho you were like totally wrong there, people weren't disagreeing w/you to be dicks but because you were wrong

"that's exactly what foghat fans were like""

This calumny will not stand!

lol

So basically you won't read rap threads because of deej?

frankly dudes ilx has always been full of bitter & standoffish & insulting ppl -- the idea that this is some weird personality quirk of mine is kinda nuts

in fairness tho you were like totally wrong there, people weren't disagreeing w/you to be dicks but because you were wrong

― guess I'll just sing dream on again (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, October 26, 2010 7:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

your hypocrisy / lack of self awareness here is stunning

well but in fairness it's always stunning to you when people don't see thing like you do amirite

morbius strip

rap fans are naturally defensive cause we had to live through the terrible time in college when that guy in the dorm heard u were into rap and was all "oh have u heard of ATMOSPHERE"

max btw have you heard atmosphere?

morbius strip

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:09 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol two words to prove exactly my point about how much pride you now take in being a cock instead of the nice dude you actually are

"assholes were uncool to me when I got here...I'll show them, by becoming a much bigger asshole"

be proud deej

kinda feel like i wasted the potential of that one tbh. would have made a good double entendre elsewhere

how am i 'being an asshole'

otoh that rah digga record really did turn out to be dope.