the quietus : the new look

But we're hopefully going to be in a position to sort out sub editors for next year. I know it's something that's long overdue. In fact it's my main concern about the site.

― Duran (Doran), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 18:07 (Yesterday)

bagsy

Hey, Acoleuthic, I'm not in a position to pay anyone yet but if you're qualified (i.e. you've got better grammar and spelling than me) and you've got time on your hands we'd appreciate the help in the mean time. John @ The Quietus dot com Cheers.

Like I said, all this hate is all v.v good for me (and where there's been actual suggestions of what I SHOULD have written about I'm checking them out so cheers). BUT must say
I love pop. I have always been a fiercely pro-pop writer and I utterly resent being characterised as someone trying to denigrate pop. Because I love pop I have a heartbroken and fierce dissapointment with bad pop music. In my job I talk to kids about pop music way more than I talk to anyone on here. Those kids are mostly faster, funnier and sharper than any of the smug baiting I read on ILM. And most of the hate/critique I read on ILM are written with such a joyless ungenerous self-boosting sneer it's nauseating and/or simply bloodlessly/blandly tedious (i.e pretty much everything I've ever read by that android Lex). As for ideas about the future, I have plenty of them and none of them have anything to do with Hyphy or the Bay-Area. I'm also not entirely sure what y'all think old writers should do other than STOP. Well sorry, I ain't fucking stopping for anyone (although I was considering it after this year) - this thread has most emphatically made me even more convinced I should carry on forever just to piss some of you folk off! Sorry.

i think acoleuthic would be a perfect fit for your magazine

Like I said, all this hate is all v.v. good for me (and where there's have been actual suggestions of what I SHOULD have written about I'm checking them out, so cheers). BUT I must say: I love pop. I have always been a fiercely pro-pop writer and I utterly resent being characterised as someone trying to denigrate pop. Because I love pop I have a heartbroken and fierce dissappointment with bad pop music. In my job I talk to kids about pop music way more than I talk to anyone on here. Those kids are mostly faster, funnier and sharper than any of the smug baiting I read on ILM. And most of the hate/critique I read on ILM are is written with such a joyless, ungenerous self-boosting sneer it's nauseating and/or simply bloodlessly/blandly tedious (i.e pretty much everything I've ever read by that android Lex). As for ideas about the future, I have plenty of them and none of them have anything to do with Hyphy or the Bay Area. I'm also not entirely sure what y'all think old writers should do other than STOP. Well sorry, I ain't fucking stopping for anyone (although I was considering it after this year) - this thread has most emphatically made me even more convinced I should carry on forever just to piss some of you folk off! Sorry.

lollll

omg

nicely done acoleuthic!

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRnZNk2zmOVPlCY5EFCRH_pVS75GRUBBtI1Qi3Rge2drkFhRnw&t=1&usg=__olx3jUl5sumAgDzFupjO-4ATMAU=

xpost to Whiney - I was thinking more of the interminable row about a single GZA lyric than this thread in particular.

― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:14 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so by 'tediously consistent' you meant 'in one instance'

slthough - how come y'all is acceptable but 'there's' isn't?

oh god, forgot what arguing with subs was like. I'll shut up now!

y'all agree to subject-verb disagree

Acoleuthic has just emailed other Quietus staffers who don't read ILX and offered to replace all mentions of the word Salem with the word Skrewdriver. I'm waiting for a ripple of confusion to spread round the room.

one's accepted idiom, one's grammatically incorrect

salthough btw

oh haha, totally gonna add an underscore somewhere in the middle of oOoOO as well

So I can't say there's been? As is there has been? Never knew that.

There has been an actual suggestion. There have been actual suggestions. You've been in the game a while, dude.

Always learning! So I can't say eg. There's been a lot of rain recently.

It's like I'm watching recombinant DNA in action here.

Oh you can. It's one lot, after all.

AHA! So I couldn't say 'There's been loads of rain recently'. It's the plural that prevents the apostrophe, no?

oh, and Ned, I know what y'mean man but this guy's a goldmine

'There's been loads of rain recently' would be technically incorrect, yes, although in practice the word 'loads' has taken on an idiomatically singular meaning in modern English, so may pass my red pen unscathed.

There have been loads of rain sounds wrong yeah. But I think I follow you, honest (although whether I'll be able to put it into practice is another matter, old habits n'all that)

I love proof-reading as well so may I interject that the punctuation mark before "this thread" in the last sentence looks suspiciously like a hyphen when it should be an em dash.

Longest LJ troll setup evah.

If it was a hyphen, there wouldn't be a space either side of it.

There was one hyphen I removed, however, in 'Bay-Area'; as one cannot strike-through a hyphen, I merely replaced it with a space.

no what I mean is he has used the hyphen character, when he should have used the em dash (or possibly en dash) character, both of which are longer than the hyphen (typographically speaking).

xp

Anagram, one falls into easy habits. Microsoft Word automatically replaces a spaced hyphen with an em dash, and ILX does not. Hence, I am liberal on such failings here (although I'd expect better in a word document or published article).

LJ, if you're expecting every word doc you sub to have correct em dash usage, you are in for a lifetime of disappointment

What's the keyboard shortcut for an em dash?

Argh I just made the screen text smaller but didn't get my dash :(

alt + 0151

Today's industry standard is to avoid spaces on either side of em dashes.

This is blowing my mind, along with the fact that what I've always thought to be the correct dash is a spaced en dash.

Oh fuck! Get this:

word space dash (or dash dash) space word space = spaced en dash

word dash dash word space = unspaced em dash

Microsoft Word, you fuck with me. I've been doing this wrong all my life :(

Today's industry standard is to avoid spaces on either side of em dash

if only

i think yall are confusing n- and m-dashes tho

Yeah, I think that article is for the US. UK magazines usually have spaced en dashes.

Traditionally an em dash—like so—or a spaced em dash — like so — has been used for a dash in running text. The Canadian The Elements of Typographic Style recommends the more concise spaced en dash – like so – and argues that the length and visual magnitude of an em dash "belongs to the padded and corseted aesthetic of Victorian typography." The spaced en dash is also the house style for certain major publishers (Penguin, Cambridge University Press, and Routledge among them, all British). However, some longstanding typographical guides such as The Chicago Manual of Style still recommend unspaced em dashes for this purpose. The Oxford Guide to Style (2002, section 5.10.10) acknowledges that the spaced en dash is used by "other British publishers", but states that the Oxford University Press—like 'most US publishers'—uses the unspaced em dash. In practice, there is little consensus, and it is a matter of personal or house taste; however, U.S. usage tends toward the em over the en for this usage.

The Oxford Guide to Style (2002, section 5.10.10) acknowledges that the spaced en dash is used by "other British publishers", but states that the Oxford University Press—like 'most US publishers'—uses the unspaced em dash.

represent. only who gives a shit what most US publishers do.

LJ, you missed an absence of a dot at the end of an "i.e." that should possibly have been an "e.g."

and meanwhile, I missed the opportunity to find better things to do with my time, but hey, I'm only in the office

In Word (on Windows) you can get an em dash by holding Alt Gr (the right-hand Alt key) and pressing the - on the numeric keypad, if you have one. I find the spaced en dash less distracting than a real unspaced em dash, but I don't know the shortcut for that; I just have to hope Word's auto-changer kicks in.

What am I doing on a hip hop beef thread? Good question.

LJ, you missed an absence of a dot at the end of an "i.e." that should possibly have been an "e.g."

Just testing y'all. (Shit shit shit!)

That's the sub's life. Always someone waiting to spot something you've missed.

What am I doing on a hip hop beef thread? Good question.

This is now the hyphen & dash discussion thread.

on Macs, of course, option + hyphen/minus = en-dash, shift + option + hyphen/minus = em-dash

So..er, anyway the Simply Red piece is good.

http://thequietus.com/articles/05168-in-defence-of-simply-red-picture-book-mick-hucknall

Haha. Sorry for picking holes in things written during the frantic scrum of trying to hit send on ILX before 6000 xposts sweep the thread into a different direction of shitstorm. Now, about those dashes...

(xp)

Think there's one em-dash amid the en-dashes of that Simply Red piece.

I would change "characterise" to "characterize" as well. It's a misconception that "-ise" is British English while "-ize" is American, "-ize" is the preferred spelling because it follows the Greek root -izo.

I feel like I'm not in playschool any more.

I would change "characterise" to "characterize" as well. It's a misconception that "-ise" is British English while "-ize" is American, "-ize" is the preferred spelling because it follows the Greek root -izo.

― margana (anagram), Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:40 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

again, oxford fucks with the z

hahaha man i'm an "old head" ;_;

oh well guess i am but would prefer "O.G." to be honest.

anyway man i don't have the energy to muster another hip hip clusterfuck.

but yeah i tend to stay in my lane pretty much.

*hip HOP

Yeah, Oxford University Press and The Times "fuck with the z" for everything iirc.

Etymological justifications regarding the Greek -izein have a point, but that's also some marshy territory if you're looking for a general rule. You end up worrying about a split between Greek words vs French loan words ending in -iser for a bit before you remember how many words came to us through both in turn, or neither at all. Do you have to second-guess for new formations whether the person who coined the word picked the ending by analogy to a classical word or a French word or neither?

(old bore in rocking chair.jpg)