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(ie. NOT from the jammer mix)

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 26 January 2004 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

lotd 2 is pretty hot, actually, isn't it?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 29 January 2004 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

particularly doogz "can't hold me down". but "bronx tale" is straight up hip-hop pastiche in the worst possible way, from the title on down.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 29 January 2004 03:05 (twenty years ago) link

*salivates*

plz tell me someone is sharing it.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 January 2004 03:07 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, I looked into ordering it and getting it delivered to my parents house then over here but...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 January 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

Haha! Ummm, never mind.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 January 2004 03:10 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, be worth buying that, i will
and watch out for 'box bloody fresh' too. it's going to have that nasty session from deja i was banging on about, live on the dvd. that should be funny. ghetto ('skiny nigga no muscle' NASTY)
clashes and embaresses
napper ('6 foot 5 tower' '14 stones, capable of breaking bones' east co)

― '''''''', Thursday, 29 January 2004 09:17 (twenty years ago) link

do you mean the nasty session from monday luke?

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 29 January 2004 09:19 (twenty years ago) link

the young man standing one i mean?

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 29 January 2004 09:20 (twenty years ago) link

that is what i mean. excited?

― ''''''', Thursday, 29 January 2004 09:46 (twenty years ago) link

i have to say that on first listen i'm not feeling this set as much as you do. it's definitely good though.

(slsk crew you can get it off me, lurking in 'my music'...)

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 29 January 2004 13:12 (twenty years ago) link

actually it's going to make a mental dvd.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 29 January 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago) link

@d@m i am getting LOTD2 delivered to spain! surely it can make it to the states?!

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:19 (twenty years ago) link

i'm still cross about that guardian article...

― martin (martin), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago) link

@d@m i am getting LOTD2 delivered to spain! surely it can make it to the states?!

Yes, I'm gonna try. I can get Deuce out here now! Are Cage selling LOTD again?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 January 2004 16:28 (twenty years ago) link

c'mon, the Young Man Standing Deja set is absolutely FIRING! Best moments so far..: Ghetto clashing Napper (obviously), and this from J.ME -
"When I started the game, picked up a cue, every five minutes, get two shots, never get caught with a white in the pocket get ridda the eight-ball in double shots / I cut the eight-ball by i, cos in maths, I weren’t a fool, big guys understand what I shot but dickheads think I’m talkin’ bout pool / From day one I said I was serious, but nobody took me serious, with them boy I go to the raves, spit in the raves and I spit in their face with a disrespect cos I am serious / WHEN I KNOW I AM SERIOUS / J.ME don’t take no shit boy that don’t like J.ME listen up”

― tinman, Friday, 30 January 2004 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

"new kylie uh i mean wiley"...haha oh doogz you big goofball

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 30 January 2004 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

"IT'S REEEEEAL!! THEY DON'T KNOW!"

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 January 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

yeah that j.me lyrics is ill, he's coming on in leaps and bounds. keep hearing kids saying
SERIOUS
a lot so he's got a little buzz on street too

'but who did you really kidnap napper?'

― '''''luke, Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:07 (twenty years ago) link

kids saying
SERIOUS

Excellent.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:22 (twenty years ago) link

so whats the overall verdicty on LOTD2?both comps are fairly variable i guess. there is some good stuff on the new one though. 'Can't hold me down', the Dizzee freestyle (is that the streetfighter riddim underneath?), the Essentials tune is good, I'm geting into the Storming and Shark Major one after reading spizzazzz, but theres a lot of crap on there. like, unfortunately, the kano tunes. what happened to him? that ´'true g' and 'blast you niggas' are a bit lame.

and i'm sick of D double! still dont get the love felt for him by everybody. fuck that 'make yr face look weird" rhyme. that seems to crop up about 10 times on the cd.

whats the dvd like? i will have to wait 6 months before i get to watch that...screw that.

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

lotd2 is good. probably the cd i've listened to most in the last couple weeks. the stormin/shark major track is really good, but the DM track ("bronx tale") is fucking awful. whatever the future of "grime" is, let's not have it be turning into fucking brit-rap, okay? (and that dizzee freestyle is from like 2002 isn't it? let's. push. things. forward.) "can't hold me down" is probably the best overall track, certainly the most "polished"...fuck it, though, it's the hotness.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:49 (twenty years ago) link

I've only played it once so far but I didn't mind "Bronx Tale", not just because I like brit-hop but also because it feels like a lookback thing not a 'future' thing, coming just after "Ghetto", it's a nod back to an older kind of music. The other thing that really jumped out at me was the Lethal B one, it made me laugh and I wasn't expecting a sex rhyme so it surprised me too.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

anyone see the grime primer in the new rolling stone?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

all the tunes are old so don't bother get no one to dub it for you, lots of great stuff but you've heard it before. it's all about the dvd. you need to see the dvd, dti video is jokes, crazy titch is magnetic, ruff squad keep doing flying kicks, wiley's good value, d.e.e's got a big motorbike so on and so forth. it's not exactly expensive.

― luke''', Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

anyone see the grime primer in the new rolling stone?

That's "grimy," pal, not grime.

― Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:10 (twenty years ago) link

the sharky and stormin track is too slow, when they do those lyrics over other beats they sound much better. the kano freestyle is big.
jess is overreacting to bronx tale, its quite nice and i LOVE dm, great voice. the track with kano('been around since master system'), trigg and myth is great, haven't actually heard that one before.

― luke'''', Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

and the dizzee track was getting a lot of play well before the album dropped, well, before i luv u dropped as it goes, should have been on the album, much better than the vast majority of tunes on boy in the corner.
fuck ambrose is total nutbag sick in the head- 'blast you' is total classic

― luke''', Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

haha, yr right andy. a friend wrote that, and i kinda felt embarrassed for him.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago) link

haha of course i'm overreacting. but then again, having lived through 1994, i have plenty of records that sound like dj premier dat's left behind the radiator for a few months and not so many tracks that sound like, say, lyrical combat or that kano freestyle.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago) link

yup yup, fair enough...
but considering it doesn't use samples it's not that much like premo anyway. premo would run a mile if he saw a drum machine, et alone fruity or logic or something.

― luke''', Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

true true

(he sure is a handy straw man tho)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

who else has seen the dvd then?

target mix cd out in about 2 weeks.

― lukr'''', Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:17 (twenty years ago) link

I'm waiting for my copy, looking forward to the DVD.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:27 (twenty years ago) link

just reading back. it looks like i said
fuck ambrose
well i did say that
but you have to read it right
the fuck is an exclamation, an expression of disbeleif
fuck, ambrose is a nutbag.
just thought i'd clear that up since i'v been offnding people left right and centre recently.

― lukr''''', Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:34 (twenty years ago) link

Haha! so what's on this Target mix, Luka? And who's releasing it?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago) link

urrr, dunno, have to admit to being totally ignorant on this. maybe riko's chosen one track will be on there, cos i'd bet twenty pound thats target on production. i just mention it cos he's a lot of people's favourite producer. even guys like martin clark who don't like the MC stuff like target so, i'm just saying, keep an eye out. he's probably putting it out himself.

― '''', Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:50 (twenty years ago) link

"Chosen One" is a Target production. The idea of a Target mix-cd makes me very hot and bothered.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

Although Luke's comments confirm my fears re: his looming respectability.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

Heh heh. There could be (if there isn't already) a great study to be made of the (perceived?) problems of native UK urban styles going respectable, however defined, over the last fifteen years or so.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:05 (twenty years ago) link

I really hope that – unlike Jammer with The Nasty Crew – Target can remain within the confines of Pay As U Go Kartel. Partly because – Dizzee and Wiley aside – he’s probably most vulnerable to being swept up by the general media and being transformed into an “intelligent grime” producer, on account of the unabashed emotionalism and clean lines of his production style. He largely avoids grime’s trademark abrasiveness – something frequent production partner Danny Weed is more adept at providing – and his tracks have a greater resemblance than most to the delicate friskiness of 2-step (though this cuts both ways: check his “Earthwarrior (Remix)” for some ferocious woodchopper beats a la London Dodgers’ “Down Down Bizznizz”).

Far better that Target use these qualities to remain grime’s foremost pop producer, ie. more The Deepest Cut, less The Haunted Science. I’d hate for his tunes to lose their loveable winsomeness, but more importantly I’d hate for him to drift away from the big MC numbers that are inevitably his best work. “Pick Yourself Up (Remix)” and the martian beauty of “Chosen One” both illustrate how astonishing grime-pop at its best can be, compressing layers of different feelings into small boxes of tightly wound energy and intensity.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:14 (twenty years ago) link

that little rant is from a forthcoming blogpost btw

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:14 (twenty years ago) link

Tim, are there any mixes or streaming shows that showcase this less abrasive sound?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

Some of the recent Femme Fatale/Mack 10/Kano set has that sound, and as I said above, it finishes with "So Sure", which i still love (is it out yet?).

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah Femme Fatale absolutely loves Target, she played "Pick Yourself Up" and "Chosen One" heaps and "Gemini" and "Earthwarrior (Remix)" a fair bit. But it's mixed in with other grime, 4/4, old skool etc. etc. I'm aware of no online show or mix that focuses on it exclusively, although I imagine a Target mix-cd would fill that gap admirably. It's pretty much his schtick.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:28 (twenty years ago) link

Has "Chosen One" had a proper release? It's got a fair bit of crossover potential, IMO.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:30 (twenty years ago) link

Ooooooh, listening to the current 1Xtra: Pirate Session with Cameo and just heard "So Sure"! It's spine-tingling!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

listening to the wiley album sampler/single/whatever it is (problems/what do you call it?/mins) for the first time. problems is great, i don't recognise it, light and summery. mins is an instrumental, i'm pretty sure i recognise it, but i'm too tired to place it now.

more about this tomorrow no doubt.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago) link

problems is so much better than what do you call it? that it just isn't true.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago) link

I still kind of "What Do You Call It?".

Is there a release date for "Skating On Thin Ice" yet?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

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