Rolling Past Expiry Hard Rock 2010

did you guys ever talk about HOUNDS on these threads? hard-rock looking band, from Chicago apparently, album on Columbia ( or Epic or whatever) saw the album in the used bin last night, never heard of them before, mildly curious

Yeah, we definitely have. Both albums are great, in my book -- second one is probably one of my favorite hard rock albums ever, by now. There's also this thread, fwiw:

Where is the love for HOUNDS and STREETHEART and SHOOTING STAR and PRISM?

And ha, I never even noticed this one that George started once:

Christgau on The Hounds

nice! i may just head back there and pick it up there. first album, i gather (cuz had no title), woman on the cover. $2.99

First album from '78 (Unleashed, but looks self-titled if you only glance quickly at it) had a woman with a dog collar around her neck. Second album from '79 (Puttin' On The Dog) had a woman in black underwear talking on her phone, in an expensive hotel room surrounded by shaggy dogs (afghans and salukis, or some breed along those lines). Guessing you saw the first one.

Okay, my turn. Anybody here have strong opinions about any albums by Back Street Crawler, D.B. Cooper, Trapeze (feat. Glen Hughes), Tycooon, or Private Lines? Possible a couple of them have been discussed here before, when I wasn't paying close attention. Anyway, I saw LPs by all of them in a dollar bin the other day that looked vaguely interesting, but not interesting enough for me to buy them. If somebody really thinks any of them were great, though, maybe I'll go back.

the back street albums with kossoff are good. when they shortened their name to crawler they started to suck.

well they didn't START to suck, the crawler albums just kinds suck. i like trapeze. i have had one or two tycoon albums but can't remember much. don't know private lines.

okay i checked i have the first tycoon album but yeah can't remember...must not have impressed me much.

I *love* the self-titled Trapeze album. From like, '77, i think? anyway, it was a later album not the first (which you might assume a S/T alb would be) real good Zep-derived rock

Okay, my turn. Anybody here have strong opinions about any albums by

>>Back Street Crawler

Free-lite. Kossoff was diminished when he started this band. After he died, no point to them. Shortened name to Crawler.

>>D.B. Cooper

Definitely up your alley. Two albums, both pretty good. Fast and catchy bar band hard rock with loud crunching guitars, very tuneful, some nods to new wave but not so much it waters down.

>>Trapeze

First album was soft rock like Moody Blues. Then they kicked some guys out and went power trio with Glenn Hughes and Mel Galley. s/t, You're the Audience, We're Just the Band. a couple after. Often funky but had no really distinguishing tunes. Lots of live stuff floating around, most of it good. Had a huge following in Austin -- they might have actually moved there at one point -- so should be easy to find their stuff. Austin had a fetish for B, C and D level hard rock bands from the Seventies and early Eighties, probably because of a radio station that catered to them.

Trapeze-Medusa is really good.

My latest on Ted Nugent's holiday season spirit, or lack of it:

http://dickdestiny.com/blog1/2010/11/29/ted-nugent-not-big-on-holiday-spirit/

I actually agree with his point about the church - religious institutions (all of 'em) should be forced to sell off their possessions and donate the proceeds to charity, or use the money to help the poor. It's 100% in line with Jesus's teachings.

Could be coincidental since Ted's not motivated by Jesus who had something to say about generosity and the sick and disadvantaged. There wasn't any charity I could perceive in that quote other than enmity aimed at Medicare, as well as the church. Two birds with one stone, so to speak.

I know a WaTimes reporter, who is not part of the opinion page staff where Nugent's stuff runs, who laughs at Ted's association with family values.

Something I wrote about Appetite For Destruction, Aerosmith's Get Your Wings, and albums by Axe, Christ Child, Hanoi Rocks, and Michael Jackson:

http://www.emusic.com/features/hub/six_degrees_guns_and_roses/index.html

Today on BurningAmbulance.com, I reviewed the new(est) Endless Boogie album, which came out back in July.

found a nice clean copy of too wild to tame by the boyzz today! excited about that.

http://www.thefinalvinyl.com/images/lgboyzz.jpg

http://www.waykoolrecords.com/pics/Hard/boyzz2.jpg

i'm sure they've been talked about here. i've never had a copy though. also got really nice copies of tooth, fang, & claw + call of the wild + survival of the fittest by the nuge. very happy about that too.

i'm sure they've been talked about here

Yep, plenty. From last year (and George has writ about them elswhere, too):

Nothin' on the Boyzz album reaches the mania of these local TV clips from a show at the Agora in Cleveland. If they record company had been able to capture --this-- on vinyl, they might have actually made it to a second and third record.
"Two kick-ass rockers, "Destined to Die" and "Wake It Up, Shake It Up", fly solo among a bunch of overblown boogie-rockers and half-baked Southern biker rock. At times sounds kinda like the so-so first side of OTT bikers The Godz's debut album, but lacks any of that record's ferocious second side bite. The real deal-breaker here though is the production, featuring horns and back-up chorus girls on all but the best songs ..." --sayeth someone on Rate Your Music, pretty accurately. I don't remember who the producer was but the approach was moronic in the context of what the band was like live.
"Too Wild to Tame" -- their best song

http://www.youtube.com/v/L_MwihQSO50&fs=1&hl=en

Hang around for Dirty Dan Buck pulling the Hammond on top of himself, and the keyboard player trying to yank it off him with band in ful cry. Nice recovery. And what's that -- a short guy playing harmonica, blown out by the rest of the band?!

http://www.youtube.com/v/fioT7ws-AKU&fs=1&hl=en

CD reissue of the album, now out of print, going for 80+ dollars on Amazon, stupid money.
― Gorge, Sunday, August 2, 2009 2:42 PM

The Boyzz' Too Wild To Tame, too, is pretty much as George described it -- Lots of brawny biker boogie fun, peaking with the title track, but they didn't exactly have much a knack for writing catchy choruses beyond the title track. Actually, I hear as much Black Oak Arkansas as Godz in their grease chain somehow. And I do like when they finish one song by quoting "Chantilly Lace." And the LP cover (and inner sleeve, depicting a biker war) kicks ass.
Popoff is iffy about the album, yet a fan (likes the six-minute "Destined To Die" and compares "Lean N' Mean" to fast Purple), and says their spirit lived on with Four Horsemen, Raging Slab, and Brother Cane.
Also, I think it's funny that some members of the band went on to form a band called B'zz (who I've never heard) -- so, what, Boyzz with oi! taken out?
― xhuxk, Monday, August 10, 2009 5:02 PM

"Produced by Ron Albert and Howard Albert for Fat Albert Productions." "Executive Producer: Steve Popovich." And yeah, the four-man brass section on a few songs definitely precludes their sound from attaining the ferociousness of those live clips.
― xhuxk, Monday, August 10, 2009 5:32 PM

Actually, the front cover of Too Wild To Tame seems to be a faily blatant Marlon Brando in The Wild One homage, if that wasn't already obvious. Pretty neat for 1977, I guess. (Publicity bio still inside my copy claims they were the biggest regional band in Chicago at the time besides Cheap Trick, and praises "the astounding lead vocal pyrotechnics of Mr. Buck, whose style borrows from Bob Seger, Robert Plant, and an electric chainsaw in overdrive.")
― xhuxk, Monday, August 10, 2009 5:17 PM

on to form a band called B'zz (who I've never heard) -- so, what, Boyzz with oi! taken out?
More or less. No Dirty Dan, more to the light pop metal side of things. Still no knack for song-writing, despite the more pop direction. Maybe one good cut, which was actually featured on Dave Clark's American Bandstand once. Had the album, don't miss its absence. Worth 25 to 50 cents if you ever see it.
― Gorge, Monday, August 10, 2009 6:13 PM

Actually, "Too Wild To Tame" on the Boyzz LP is the song that ends with the Big Bopper quote; also has Dirty Dan doing sort of Steve Tyler shrieks to a certain extent. It may well be the band's best actual song per se' as George says, but on record at least, I think I might like the heavier and less horn-drooped "Destined To Die" and "Lean N Mean" more -- former is an extended organ-driven wailer. Don't mind the band's chooglier and more good-timey songs (in fact I swear "Hoochie Koochie" and the under-two-minute "Good Life Shuffle" sound almost like distant Charleston-contest cousins of Disco Tex and the Sex-O-Lettes), but if the heavy tracks were more typical of their live sound, it's pretty clear why fans heard the LP as a big letdown.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:54 PM

yah, i remember that now. i dig the album.

oh but this is what i got at the record show yesterday (i sold and bought there) that is appropriate for this thread:

artful dodger - honor among thieves (perfect promo copy)

strongbow - s/t (excited to get this)

gary moore band - grinding stone (minty u.k. copy)

ross - the pit & the pendulum (when your want list includes this album you are on to something. or you are me.)

dmz - s/t

flamin groovies - flaming

machiavel - mechanical moonbeams

fastbuck - s/t

little village - s/t (this was a serious find for me. and i'm probably the only person who would have bought it, so, its a good thing i found it. 70's bar band that played around connecticut. the album has some amazing stuff on it.)

doctors of madness 2 album set (had one album, now i have two)

marseille - s/t (can still remember when my brother brought this home with the def leppard debut. i know george is a fan.)

kannibal komix - s/t

bullangus - s/t (clean promo copy! )

the winkies - s/t (pub rock band that backed up brian eno at one point.)

hanson - now hear this (fierce p-funk-esque guitar action on this. never heard it before! junior hanson is the star. ten minute closing track "smokin' the big "m"" is a serious acid jam.)

nova - blink

katahdin - hardcore rock n' rolla (great hard rock bar band action. privately pressed. title track is a barnburner)

bang - s/t ( i think this was the most i paid for a record at the show. probably ended up costing me 35 bucks. but its a decent copy and i need a decent copy. sadly, its STILL not the copy i want to be buried with. but i'm always looking.)

and i'm a little disappointed in you guys for not telling me to buy the hanson album sooner.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/Hansen_Now_Hear_This_album_cover.jpg

and now i need the 2nd album

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/20/Hansen_Magic_Dragon_album_cover.jpg

so glad i own this now.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4IO4mEmRGoA/Sfce7paq2BI/AAAAAAAAF_s/EBZInzlQqm8/s320/The+Gary+Moore+Band-Grinding+Stone-front.jpg

artful dodger - honor among thieves (perfect promo copy)

Have the CD reissue of this (have the debut on vinyl); what I wrote for Blurt a couple years back:
ARTFUL DODGER Honor Among Thieves (American Beat)
Along with their bicentennial debut, this newly reissued ’76 sophomore slab is one of history’s great lost hard-pop albums, from Virginia’s answer to the Raspberries or maybe Slade, back when labels like Columbia would stick with East Coast rock bands who looked like baseball infields even if their LPs never hit the Billboard 200. Like Richard Bush of the A’s, Billy Paliselli has a classic adenoidal high register. But the title opener has him yelping Steve Tyler-style, “Scream” could be where Bryan Adams learned his best early ‘80s ideas, "Hey Boys" is archetypal bazooka bubblegum, and there’s a backwards-guitared Little Richard cover. Some say that, on stage, they had as much balls as the Dolls.

dmz - s/t

Bizarrely, have never heard this. Guess I was unimpressed enough by the Lyres (rightly or wrongly) in the '80s that I never bothered to check their predecessors out.

doctors of madness 2 album set

Like the album I bought by them last year: Sons Of Survival, from 1978.

marseille - s/t (can still remember when my brother brought this home with the def leppard debut. i know george is a fan.)

Me too! Was aware of them at the time, and remember considering buying albums by both them and Girl circa 1980 or so (maybe one song by each got played once or twice on a Detroit rock station, or maybe I just read about them somehwere?), but didn't actually own anything by either band until Castle Music put out great 2-CD anthologies for both back in the early '00s. George wrote about one or maybe both for me at the VV. I still pull them out and play them, and they hold up great.

hanson - now hear this (fierce p-funk-esque guitar action on this. never heard it before! junior hanson is the star. ten minute closing track "smokin' the big "m"" is a serious acid jam.)

Don't even think I ever heard of these guys before, though that LP cover looks vaguely familiar. They don't seem to be in either the Popoff or Jasper/Oliver '70s books. (By p-funk-esque, do you might like "Maggot Brain"??)

bang - s/t

Got rid of the copy of this I reviewed in Stairway for some reason, but sometime in the '80s I got sent a reissued vinyl picture sleeve version, and I still have that. Essential sludge doom, obviously.

Got rid of Bull Angus after the book came out, too; probably shouldn't have.

Btw, my big hard rock jam yesterday was the almost six-minute chosen-people-to-the-promised-land Passover (!) epic "Elijah" by Head East off the self-titled LP from 1978, which also has their (technically) biggest hit "Since U Been Gone," but as a whole doesn't seem as consistently killer an album (just more late '70s AOR radio-consultant compromised I guess) as the earlier Get Yourself Up, Flat As A Pancake or Gettin' Lucky. Basically, though, seems like Head East were reliable for at least one heavy Uriah Heep type banger per album, and often more than that (among much other very cool moves). Been rocking them a lot lately.

Also back on a Brownsville Station kick, after picking up a buck copy of School Punks from 1974, which is suprisingly great.

dmz album is really good! way punkier and rockier than any lyres i've heard, but i haven't heard a lot.

and, yeah, i mean maggot brain type of p-funk. especially the last track. its a weird album!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mJ60MoUNO0&feature=related

i think i might have mentioned that head east album on here. got a copy this year. i know i definitely liked some of it. and was maybe surprised that i liked it as much as i did.

xp And oh yeah, also decided once and for all that "Sailor's Delight" on Moxy's 1978 Under The Lights probably ranks with history's great '70s Aerosmith rips. Rest of the album strikes me as more workaday-perfunctory than their previous Ridin' High from '77 (only other one I own), but I still like it, especially also the cradle-robbing jailbait opener "High School Queen."

there is nothing surprising about how good school punks is! cuz brownsville rule!

i dig moxy, but, yeah, they don't slay me or anything. kinda generic, but it's a genre i love, so i don't care too much.

And oops, typo: I got sent that Bang pic-sleeve reissue LP "sometime in the '00s," not '80s.

oh and george must know bob tench who was in hanson. he was in roger chapman's streetwalkers band and in hummingbird and the jeff beck group. and humble pie! unsung expiry hero.

bang rule. they still rule. gotta love bang. and you should have held on to your bullangus album.

unior Marvin (born Donald Hanson Marvin Kerr Richards Jr) also known as Junior Marvin-Hanson, Junior Hanson and Junior Kerr. He is a Jamaican born guitarist and singer and is best known for his association with Bob Marley and The Wailers. He started his career as Junior Marvin with the band Hanson in 1973. Marvin has also been associated with Gass, Keef Hartley Band, Toots & the Maytals and Steve Winwood. More recently he has appeared at live concerts with others including The Original Wailers.

* 1965 - Blue-Ace-Unit with Calvin 'Fuzzy' Samuel.
* 1969 - White Rabbit with Linda Lewis.
* 1970 - Keef Hartley Band as Junior Kerr.
* 1973 - Hanson as Junior Hanson.
* 1977 - Bob Marley & The Wailers as Junior Marvin
* 1981 - The Wailers Band
* 1997 - Batuka
* 2005 - The Wailers Band.
* 2007 - Wailin' For Love. Solo album
* 2008 - The Original Wailers

Aaaargggh -- The Bang reissue thing is a picture disc (both sides featuring artwork from the old LP cover), not picture sleeve (almost all albums are picture sleeves, duh!), I meant. Came out on Outlaw Recordings out of NYC (with a two-crossed-six-shooters logo), possibly not to be confused with the Outlaw Recordings out of Canada (with a longhorn skull logo) that was putting out old and new stuff by the Godz, Billy Butcher, etc., around the same time. Confusing! (My copy of the Bang says "#54/112 on the lyric sheet insert -- the "sleeve" is just transparent plastic -- which may or may not mean this was a very limited edition.)

Junior Marvin (born Donald Hanson Marvin Kerr Richards Jr) also known as Junior Marvin-Hanson, Junior Hanson and Junior Kerr. He is a Jamaican born guitarist and singer

But he's definitely not Junior Murvin, the "Police And Thieves" reggae guy, right?

Also been meaning to mention Tanya Tucker's 1979 Tear Me Apart, at least half of which -- not just the title track, which is an actual cover -- turns out to be a pretty decently glam-rockabilly surrogate Suzi Quatro album from the country star. She also covers "Lay Back In The Arms Of Someone," by Smokie (and also written by Chapman-Chinn, just like "Tear Me Apart," and they produced the album), though the two Dennis Linde songs, the Dickie Betts one, and "Crossfire of Desire" (Kelly/Didier/Anderson) have more kick. And I don't even mind that she does a medley of "San Francisco (Be Sure To Wear Some Flowers In Your Hair)"/"I Left My Heart In San Francisco". "Tear Me Apart" still the best track though; Miranda Lambert should really consider covering it seeing how it's been country road-tested already, it's about a tough Texas queen, and she's supposedly been known to do "Rock N Roll Hootchie Koo" live lately. Album hit #33 country (on the heels of Tucker's #2 1978 TNT, which also had rock'n'roll on it -- Chuck Berry and Elvis and "Not Fade Away" covers at least -- though I guess more a late '70s Ronstadt aesthetic, not to mention Tucker dressed in Olivia Newton-John-in-her-sleazy-period tight leather on the cover.) Neither LP crossed pop very high, though they sure tried to.

The Winkies, from 2009:

And I've been enjoying the Winkies one and only album from 1975. Classic Hipgnosis cover art which I recall making it into some old Rolling Stone book on best album art. Crotch shots of Riviera beach studs in little bathing suits, johnsons obvious, perhaps chosen for the first tune on the album, "Trust in Dick," a barely veiled ode to jerking off ('jerk your tears away!') sung sufficiently garbled to get past label censors, I guess. It's a Stonesy tune and the album is fairly great as missed opportunity, band led by Phil Rambow who never had much luck in New York competing with Bowery punk rock. Later wrote "There's a Guy Down the Chip Shop Thinks He's Elvis" with Kirsty McColl, and the songwriting is very strong on the Winkies. Sounds a little like very hard Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers prior to the fact, covers a Bob Seger tune -- "Long Song Coming," I think -- making it sound just like the Rolling Stones. My copy has an extra four songs with them backing Brian Eno on "Baby's on Fire" and three others, sounding very Velvet Goldmine glam, more twee than the album. Lots of American country filtered through Brit rock -- invasion included -- gives them a bit of a unique flavor for '75. Quite a good rock 'n' roll band, might have done better had it been picked up by Beserkeley in the US.

― Gorge, Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:14 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"Trust In Dick" must have doomed them here. Along with the album cover it would have any guy in the hinterlands thinking they were all poofs.

Don't recall thinking New York Dolls when I saw Artful Dodger on undercards but they were definitely good. Might be because of the cover of Archie Bell's "Showdown." Which I liked better than the Dolls version.

i like the winkies album. i think i actually had a rambow solo album at one point but i don't remember much about it. might still be in my dollar bin at the store.

This randomly made me pull out my Frijid Pink box on Akarma. The debut, which charted the band on
the basis of a "House of the Rising Sun" single -- now the distinctive edit people hear. Dumber than
dirt vocals from a weird hippie-as-a-Nixonian-conformist side of things. An actual song about not being into protesters, or drugs or booze -- just into leching on the girlfriend, Mr. Man.

In 1970.

Better than an Amboy Dukes record, insultingly stupid next to The Stooges, better than the MC5's Back In the USA. Better guitar by magnitude than Grand Funk. For half an album. Great vocalist handicapped with an IQ of about 50 and no one to correct him. A Michigan afterthought.

By the third album the entire band had been fired except for the drummer. Who reformed the group for a 1972 LP called Earth Omen which predates early Styx, REO Speedwagon heartland big glorious
tales of the US rock. Haven't quite figured out how to produce it but it's there. Which makes it sound like a bit like Argent All Together Now only more rocking. Plus the title cut, a hippie hard rock cut, like "Golden Country." Only not as expensively produced or as vociferous.

The miracle here is that Frijid Pink lasted longer on Parrot than the Stooges on Elektra, which was supposed to be the forward-looking label.

Which brings me to Iggy & the Stooges now, with video from a Brazil concert, telecast, on YouTube.

And while it's not awful, it's certainly not great. James Williamson, retired from Sony, has no reason to be dull, yet he is. And Iggy needs to cover up.

There's something wrong with him -- physically.

Possibly a large abdominal hernia that doesn't require surgical intervention. Such things are not uncommon but most people who have them don't dance around on a stage without shirts and lowcut trousers. I won't post the video but check "Lust for Life" which is just grotesque -- and not in a good way.

If the performances were electrifying it wouldn't matter ... maybe. But they're not. Get a surgeon, will ya.
Or wear more clothes. It's just icky now.

It's like Ted Nugent whistling through his dentures in recommendation of Sarah Palin shouting a caribou on her reality show.

Totally baffling. I grew up surrounded by deer hunters. Not a blessed one of them had any regard
for women. Blowing away deer was man thing, an excuse to go the hunting lodger -- a one or two room cabin and get blindingly drunk while not out gunning. Nugent, who is way older than I am, knows it.

"shouting" should have been "shooting." Corrected: "Blowing away deer was a man thing, an excuse to
go to the hunting lodge -- a one or two room cabin where one got blindingly drunk when not
out gunning."

My ongoing series on how the American inventors of the electric guitar gave up their businesses for the everyman in favor of making -- domestically -- collectors pieces for the rich. They downsized, relatively speaking, into large custom shops. Remarkably, Gibson has FIVE factories in China -- one in Nashville, the latter for domestic production. And the Nashville factory would probably be a lot smaller if it weren't for country music acts with label deals in the city.

Ironically, and I touched upon this a couple months ago in the country thread: The economic collapse heavily impacts the mainstream country audience. And if you switch to a plutonomy, you further destroy the potential livelihoods of that audience, reducing their spending power and -- naturally -- their ability to pay for entertainments from major label country artists. Which in turn leads to a need for less country artists with big backing, and less spending by those artists for premium instruments. So it becomes a downward deflationary spiral. Less money, less demand, even less production and employment, less money, etc...

http://dickdestiny.com/blog1/2010/12/06/made-in-china-guitar-center-continued/

http://dickdestiny.com/blog1/2010/12/07/made-in-china-american-guitar/

Baltimore Oriole comes out as birther, big fan of Ted Nugent's politics:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Answer-Man-Luke-Scott-talks-Nugent-hunting-and?urn=mlb-292970

Did you notice the idiot sportswriter didn't know Nugent doesn't live in Michigan anymore? Rhetorical.

He made his own jerky! He shot a stag in Pennsy! Boy howdy!

Here's a good quote, right under the president's birth certificate, which Yahoo News apparently felt the need to defensively run:

"If you're involved in treacherous acts, or you're saying things that are against, or are selling out our country, you should be brought to trial."

The above quote was so singularly douchewad it got the guy named as Olbermann's Worst Person in the World today. Where he also ragged on him for being a marginal player until all of a sudden he sprouted muscles, adding that he must be on human growth hormone.

Got my BÖC brick in today's mail. Woo-hoo!

Brick? What's in the collection?

Oh, I bought their first five studio albums and Fire of Unknown Origin on CD for $7 each from Barnes&Noble.com.