ugh typos
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i actually want to know that as well
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
http://newsroom.mtv.com/2010/10/24/kanye-west-runaway-film/
here ya go
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.xxlmag.com/bloggers/2008/11/kanye-west-totally-voiced-my-generation/
also here
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
lolol I should read things to the end before I link them
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
plus don't get not liking "power" and "all the lights". those two immediately stand out among the best tracks on the album, making kanye's messy, grotesque (baroque or whatever) maximalism actually work. there's a sense of delight in hearing these songs unfold that's like watching a circus performance, aerial acrobatics or a clown spinning plates, and you don't really believe that it can be sustained, there's this underlying anxiety from the sense that it's about to fail, to fall apart and come crashing to the ground in an ugly mess, that anxiety coupled with the giddy thrill of the moment in which the worst hasn't happened yet and everything is still beautiful and impossibly sustained. wish the rest of the album managed the same balancing act, instead of just trudging along, as though three more minutes of something acceptable will magically transform it into something great.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
so uh that second link is more a "counterpoint" than support for the thesis
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
also I think "Monster" is clearly the best track on here
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, that's the other one, though i like "lost in the world" a lot
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
"monster" is also, ironically, much less monstrous than the tracks that lead up to it
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
the only track i was even nodding my head to was "hell of a life"
"monster" is ok only because nicki minaj understood what the tone of the album should be better than kanye did
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I think your neck is broken, either that or I am easily boogied
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
well yeah if yr neck is broken u shouldnt be boogying to anything
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
xp u must be easy
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i think ppl just want big records that break out of niches and this is one of the few
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:51 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what niche does this album break out of that Graduation didn't?
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i am not advocating this position
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
this is a worse record than graduation by a good bit
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
all i'm saying is ppl are desperate to read it as a "big album" because there are so few chances to do that these days
wait waht, who has committed "generation kanye" to the page with any sort of seriousness?? are their huge kanye stans out there?? not, like, people guaranteed to buy and listen to his music, but that are like omg dude is so RELEVANT TO ME. lady gaga i'd buy, but kanye?
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:55 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
there are tons of huge Kanye stans out there. i feel like there's been a pretty big push from his fanbase, especially the younger high school/college types who've known him as a big deal since before they started listening to music, to think of him as the great artist of our time, our Dylan or our MJ or our Stevie. seriously.
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
wow
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i must be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of touch
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:07 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
LOL can't believe people are still mocking kanye's lyrics will praising nicki's verse. i mean, it's corny in a different way but it's still pretty dang corny.
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
like srsly i listened to this once this morning and was like "huh, sounds like kanye," winced at the lyrics when i bothered to pay attention to them (have never been personally impressed with him on the mic), and may or may not give it another try this evening.
fukkin youth of today
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty sure the fake jamaican accent is the aural equivalent of "...my black balls"
the point is you can say entirely stupid shit as long as people think you sound awesome while doing it
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i think "corny in a different way" is real important here
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Nicki's family's from Trinidad, right? her dancehall voice is probably the single least contrived accent she does.
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
like maybe i'm just being cranky and out of touch or w/e, but this is just delusional. not you, but the fanbase, and kanye himself. i mean, it seems like even the glowing reviews aren't saying 'this is kanye transcending being kanye' it seems like they're saying 'this is the best kanye ever'. it seems difficult to believe that anyone could be considered a Great Artist when all their lyrics are so explicitly myopic and self-centered. but let's not even go down that road, considering what makes ppl great or w/e. shudder
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i just call it like i see it. it's weird. i mean Kanye was one of my favorite people making music from like 2002 to 2005, but even then i was pretty aware of his shortcomings and didn't really put him on that kind of pedestal. he had some degree of underdog appeal at first.
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
um, remember when Eminem was the next great artist, largely because he wrote intensely navel-gazing songs about how much he wanted to kill his wife
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
(and then he ruined it by singing about how snuggly-wuggly his daughter was and no amount of fantasizing about setting women on fire has gotten his cred back)
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
um, remember when Eminem was the next great artist, largely because he wrote intensely navel-gazing songs about how much he wanted to kill his wife― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:35 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:35 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
see, Em came to mind immediately as i was typing that out, and i think the point when he turned to writing shit about his actual real life (well sorta) and not just gonzo shit in general is when ppl in general cooled on him being this next level could-be-important dude? like if i think of all my favorite/best em tracks basically none of them have any grounding in reality, or are about how ~hard~ it is to be eminem
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
well actually I think what really happened was he released "Just Lose It"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
― some dude, Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:22 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah, this is the impression i'm getting, and it's messing with my head. i can see as how he was an interesting artist within a popular niche who early on caused you (me, anyway) to think he was going places, but in my mind the ultimate story is that the story of his celebrity came to eclipse his musical artistry - at least came to distort it in often unfortunate ways. it's like he became this symbolic "megastar" simply because we needed one and he was flawed and narcissistic enough to fit the tenor of the times. this despite the fact he never really did put out the mega-populist breakthrough songs/albums that such pop coronations have traditionally depended on. "golddigger" is still as close as he's come.
as a result, there's a hollow, nonsensical, alternate-universe quality to the sudden and seemingly unanimous celebration of this very clearly flawed album. i mean, i love it, but i tend to love big, messy art-disasters on principle. i enjoy this record in much the same way that i enjoy the love below and andrew WK's close calls with brick walls: without condescension, but with a sense of wonder at the splendid mistake. do other people take it the same way? if not, what am i missing, or what are they? because music this wildly crippled doesn't often elicit blanket praise from all quarters...
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I'm the only person who thinks or will admit this but The Love Below is still mostly great and is certainly better than this album
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i think that's a good post cntndrzr
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
basically guys, what you are seeing is a "Trapped in the Closet" bug-out reaction pointed towards something actually marketable
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
that hollowness is the sound from right before everyone fills the big gaping hole in their "the year in music" article/list/post
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I tend to love big, messy art-disasters on principle.
I'm the defender of Dirty Work and Empire Burlesque not out of contrarianism but because I think they're excellent albums. The Kanye album seems a perfect candidate. But the arrangements aren't an adequate musical correlative for his unpleasantness.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
at its best, this album is both mega-populist pop breakthrough AND big messy art-disaster, at the same time -- this is key to its whole appeal for me.
― swvl, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i'll prob catch shit for saying this but not really hearing the "pop" on this album
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
and certainly not populism--how is this accessible or relateable unless you are actually kanye!
it's really catchy!
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
that was an xpost but applies to your second post as well
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:42 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah, but isn't that because em was writing directly from and to the 13 year-old male id? that's why i dug him so much over the course of those first two albums, and, imo, why he became so important to his young fanbase. the self-centered myopia of em's persona was perfectly matched to the sensibility of a specific age group. but kanye's never spoken for tweens. if he ever did, he certainly isn't doing so now. early on, he spoke for young men, those on the verge of adulthood. now he's narrating the journey through. which makes the appeal of his narcissistic myopia mystifying to me. is it possible that masses of 20 and 30 year-olds actually relate to his post-late registration persona?
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
somehow I don't think anyone is going to have a problem marketing or digesting "crazy-egotistical Kanye West album"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
u guys realize this is gonna sell gajillions of copies, right? that this isnt some weird quirk of music critics?
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a kanye album with longer songs, not 'metal machine music'
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean u can boggle at the idea that ppl think hes a great artist but yr not just talking about ryan dombal & pfork editors, yr talking about lots & lots of music listeners
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
sure it's going to sell i think it's more like "who is buying it and what do they like about it"
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link