Rolling R&B Thread 2010

sonically it's very "happy people"

*happy person*

http://sofurious.com/2010/12/03/my-letter-to-keri-hilson/

Sure, plenty of folk will say things like “men do this stuff all the time and nobody calls them out”, however I saw Raheem Devaughn’s new video for “She’s Single” and his termite-looking ass is in the same boat.

love the sexy pics strewn throughout the scolding rant

boy you would think...boy you would think she invented gratuitous sexuality

She was so reserved before this.

lol that blog post is batty.

for context, this is the first song i ever heard by keri hilson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBluHKXsXR0

I would think the issue with Keri Hilson would be more that without the over-the-top sexuality, she's really boring and unremarkable (which has its own raft of sociological implications/issues).

we discussed this in the slut-shaming thread already, but this move doesn't seem desperate or unseemly to me because of a) the boss-bitch businesswoman persona she's established quite effectively, b) the fact that she seems to be genuinely quite smart and on-it IRL (unlike eg ciara, who seems like a ditz, and rihanna, who's come off as dim in every interview except, weirdly, for the ones on domestic abuse).

(neither a nor b are mutually exclusive to being unremarkable - in fact they're prob the reasons she comes off as boring)

Right, the thing I'm getting at is the damned if you do/damned if you don't vortex that people often get stuck in; being rampantly sexual invites slut-shaming, but removing the rampant sexuality makes her anonymous and unremarkable, so exactly what are the avenues for success here?

It's part of the inherent problem with show business; competent makes you a songwriter, but crazy makes you a star.

a) the boss-bitch businesswoman persona she's established quite effectively, b) the fact that she seems to be genuinely quite smart and on-it IRL (unlike eg ciara, who seems like a ditz, and rihanna, who's come off as dim in every interview except, weirdly, for the ones on domestic abuse).

i think this gives a lot of credit to how even stans of r&b analyze music

TOO MUCH credit

I should have said competent makes you a session musician, actually.

I could totally be someone's back-up singer but no one is going to pay me to be a front man (lol wrong voice type, plus also I'm not actually crazy ergo no one will want to watch me)

It's part of the inherent problem with show business; competent makes you a songwriter, but crazy makes you a star.

yup that's keri hilson in a nutshell. but on he other hand, she's found a pretty decent level of success being competent, and that competency can probably ensure that she can knock out a "knock you down" or "turnin' me on" a couple of times per album. i mean, "the way you love me" is a competent enough generic banger. you need to have these second/third-tier artists around, really.

what's weird about the original disowning post is that apparently he was a proper keri hilson stan in the first place - i don't know how you get to that level of obsession w/her of all people

tbf, hanging out over urinals is nagl

none of this changes how terrible that song is

vh1 soul keeps playing a video by 'the floacist f/ musiq soulchild', which is my personal idea of hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KpwASavVEE

this guy really is so incredible.

i love this song

did that link work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KpwASavVEE

the album is kinda really good!

i hated "when a woman loves" so bad, am kinda afraid to check out the album

it's weirding me out that Lloyd's "Lay It Down" has been in the top 10 of the R&B chart for weeks and iirc has been talked about here as a popular song, but i haven't heard it on the radio once yet, had to finally go to YouTube today just to hear what it sounds like. like none of the 3 R&B stations around here are playing it at all afaict.

ship, i knew you hated "when a woman loves" but i didn't know how much of it had to do w/ the whole MIDI orchestra thing -- cuz he's been doing it now w/ a live band & i think it's a monster song

a lot of it was due to the chintzy production but i wasn't crazy about the song, felt very on the nose where the old school influences in his stuff usually feel more subtle and imbedded among other ideas, and in any event not one of his stronger ballads. i'm sure it is better live, though.

although i was a lil like 'lol of course kells gets on the motown revival two years late' (this was, to me, a good thing, like what will he do w/ it?) i actually ended up not feeling 'when a woman loves' at all & am with al on that one "Number One Hit" is just ... perfect though.

the video version i posted is a much shortened version

"when a woman loves" is top 5 this year imo

"lay it down" & "when a woman loves" r a couple of my favorite songs this year for sure.

excited to hear this new kells

"it's like making love to your eyes" creeps me out. need to stop taking things literally.

she's got more faiii-iiith in me
THAN A BEACH....got sand

totally get the criticisms of that song but if you're gonna have a boring beat like that i'm cool with all the focus being put on kells voice singing MAD LOUD for 5 mins

"lay it down" is good, but a little too saccharine for my tastes, if he went back to his vocal style on "you" instead of belting out the whole song it would be much less overpowering. the-dream's new album along w/ "holding you down" & "already taken" are prob my favorite r&b offerings for 2010

yeah the yodeling in 'lay it down' is a little too ott

^^^^hates r&b

I think you're being dishonest deej

i really enjoyed the kellz album on one listen - his duet with k michelle is O_O in particular.

also was really feeling the keri hilson album, much to my surprise.

Quite keen to hear the new Kandi album. I remember being a bit underwhelmed by her first but (a) woman deserves mad props 4 ever regardless and (b) that was 10 years ago or something! and (c) the aggregate of the first two points makes me quite arbitrarily feel like this is gonna be some ace teedra mature woman sexy time biz.

Andy K review is promising: http://www.allmusic.com/album/kandi-koated-r2067037

Very rushed, based on one listen -- but yeah, the album's definitely solid.

Cole's OK. Not digging Hilson at all.

Keri Hilson just comes across to me like she wants to be Kelis, only she is a lot more boring and doesn't have as interesting a voice.

in what sense? she's always seemed to me like more traditionalist R&B/girl next door with sex appeal type than Kelis, so i have a hard time getting my head around that comparison.

I think you're being dishonest deej

― dayo, Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:20 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if a man hates lloyd how can he post in ilx's rolling R&B thread?

pretty sure you followed me into here to begin with

lol, yes I know I am weird

It's more... they both were pushed by their labels as solo artists, Kelis got a moderate amt of success and Keri... didn't. Then both started popping up on the hooks of hip-hop singles, and then came back with more solo joints that were better accepted, only Kelis was more successful... and both definitely used hypersexuality as a hook.

So it's not really so much that they are the same type of artist as I see similar career trajectories, only Kelis is interesting and Keri is boring.

Keri's first album went gold and had two big top 20 hits and Kelis's debut didn't, and both did hooks on hit songs before properly launching their solo careers, so i don't really follow.

i mean really Keri's first album sold about as well in 2009 as Kelis's biggest album did in 2003, which given the sales slump means she's been more successful overall, even if she's probably not as famous and definitely doesn't have a song entrenched in pop culture like "Milkshake"

looking at the dates, it looks like "Caught Out There" was 6 weeks after "Got Your Money" and I thought it was the other way around

None of which changes my core point, which is Keri Hilson bores me

yeah "boring" is not at all an outlandish thing to tag her with. that's kinda why the Kelis comparison confused me.