swans are vetoed. get over it and stfu.
cool, dont forget i veto'd nachtmystium too -- they are covered in indie-rock publications, and might get too much of the "lurker vote" and accidentally win our poll :(
same applies to torche, high on fire, kylesa, electric wizard & more btw
oh noes
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
wth kind of nominations process allows vetoes anyway?
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
btw, did someone besides you veto my other nominations, or are you just being an ass?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link
xp to herman obv.
Metal is like porn: you know it when you can jack off to it
― Moving Pixels (J3ff T.), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link
boris/torche would they not be better in a tracks poll? thats a 7" right?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, if it wasn't released in 2010, sure. But if it's as subjective as Swans are/aren't heavy rock and/or metal, that's ridiculous. It's not like anyone is coming in here nominating Rihanna.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link
adrien & phil did. jeff & viceroy agree
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Drudkh - Handful of Stars
I veto the Swans album it would win #1 for no other reason than lurkers and you know it.
― I want a tracks poll! (Viceroy), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
we can have a special award for best Swans album.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link
was about to say Drudkh!
yeah you're right, boris/torche was a split 7"
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Cave - Pure Moods
In what universe is this metal?
― Bjorn Cyborg (van smack), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link
if people dont stop moaning jj & I will just remove the heavy rock bit and only allow bands who are listed at http://www.metal-archives.comso quit moan and get nominating. Minds will not be changed.
I am totally ok with a tracks poll being a bit more loose with the term.Who else apart from viceroy wants one?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link
"i veto the year's obviously best metal/heavy rock album because it would be sooo boring if the year's best album actually won a poll it qualifies for."
and hey, if a lurker can put together a coherent ballot with 14+ other albums, plus swans, then they can vote! why not?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link
well it's not the best, its not that fantastic at all.
― I want a tracks poll! (Viceroy), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
then why would it win #1 in the poll? you think a bunch of ilx lurkers care enough about repping for swans in this poll that they'll flood ballots in?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i love cave but it aint going in. I think I'll take out wildildlife too, i ordered that record but i dont think it belongs here.
so as it stands list looks like
1349 - DemonoirAcross Tundras - Old World WandererAgalloch - Marrow of the SpiritAlcest - Écailles De LuneAn Autumn for Crippled Children - LostArabrot - RevengeArmored Saint – La RazaArsis - Starve for the DevilAtheist - JupiterAtlantean Kodex - The Golden BoughBarn Owl - Ancestral StarBison B.C. - Dark AgesBlack Breath - Heavy BreathingBlack Sun - Twilight Of The GodsBlack Tusk - Taste The SinBlind Guardian - at the Edge of TimeBoris - VariationsBoris & Ian Astbury - BXIBurzum - BelusCastevet - Mounds of AshCathedral - The Guessing GameCeleste - Morte(s) Nee(s)Celestiial - Where Life Springs EternalChristian Mistress - Agony & OpiumCoffinworm - When All Became NoneColiseum - House With a CurseConan - Horseback Battle HammerCough - Ritual AbuseCrystal Viper - LegendsDanzig - Deth Red SabaothDarkblack - Midnight WraithDarkthrone - Circle the WagonsDaughters - S/TDawnbringer - NucleusDeath Angel - Relentless RetributionDeathspell Omega - ParacletusDecrepit Birth - PolarityDeftones - Diamond EyesDio - At Donington UK: Live 1983 & 1987Double Negative - DaydreamnationDråpsnatt - Hymner till undergångenDrudkh - Handful of StarsEa - Au EllaiEarly Graves - GonerEibon - Entering DarknessElectric Wizard - Black MassesEmbryonic Devourment - Vivid Interpretations of the VoidEnslaved - Axioma Ethica OdiniEnvy - RecitationExodus - Exhibit B: The Human ConditionExodus – Exhibit B: The Human ConditionFather Befouled - Morbid Destitution of CovenantFear Factory - MechanizeFlesh Consumed - Ecliptic Dimensions of SufferingFurze - Reaper Subconscious GuideGhost - Opus EponymousGnaw Their Tongues - L'Arrivée De La Terne Mort TriomphanteGozu - Locust SeasonGrand Magus - Hammer Of The NorthHail of Bullets - On Divine WindsHalford - Made of MetalHarvey Milk - A Small Turn Of Human KindnessHey Colossus & The Van Halen Time Capsule - Eurogrumble vol 1High On Fire - Snakes For The DivineHooded Menace - Never Cross The DeadHorseback - The Invisible MountainHumanfly - Darker LaterIhsahn - AfterImmolation- Majesty and DecayIn Mourning - MonolithIntegrity- The Blackest CurseIntronaut - Valley of SmokeIron Maiden - The Final FrontierJesu - Heart Ache & DethronedJucifer - Throned in BloodKayo Dot - CoyoteKill the Client - Set for ExtinctionKilling Joke - Absolute DissentKnut - WonderKongh - Shadows Of The ShapelessKrieg - The IsolationistKvelertak - KvelertakKylesa - Spiral ShadowLair of the Minotaur - Evil PowerLantlôs - .neonLe Kraken - ExaltLes Discrets - Septembre Et Ses Dernieres PenseesLudicra - The TenantMael Mordha - ManannanMagnus Pelander - Magnus Pelander EPMar De Grises - Stream InwardsMares Of Thrace - The MoultingMaster Musicians Of Bukkake - Totem TwoMelechesh - EpigenesisMelvins - The Bride Screamed MurderMob Rules - The DonorMonster Magnet - MastermindMotorpsycho - Heavy Metal FruitMurmuure - MurmuureNachtmystium - Addicts: Black Meddle Part IINadja - Under the Jaguar SunNails - Unsilent DeathNails - Unsilent DeathNegura Bunget - Vîrstele PamîntuluiNegură Bunget - Vîrstele pămîntului Neurosis - Live at Roadburn 2007October Tide - A Thin ShellOpeth - Live Concert At The Royal Albert HallOrphaned Land - The Never Ending Way of ORwarriOR Ov Hell - The Underworld RegimeOzzy Osbourne - ScreamPathfinder - Beyond the Space, Beyond the TimePIVIXKI - GravissimaRatt - InfestationRetro Grave - AgainRosetta - A Determinism of Morality Rotting Christ – AEALOSahg - IIISailors With Wax Wings - Sailors With Wax WingsSalome - TerminalSamsara Blues Experiment - Long Distance TripSerpentina Satelite - Mecanica CelesteShining - BlackjazzSigh - Scenes from HellSlough Feg - Animal SpiritsSolace - A.D.Solefald - Norrøn Livskunst Spitit Descent - DoominionStargazer - A Great Work Of AgesSuma - AshesSungrazer - SungrazerSweet Cobra - MercyTarja Turunen - What Lies BeneathThe Austerity Program - Backsliders and Apostates Will BurnThe Body - All The Waters Of The Earth Turn To BloodThe Dillinger Escape Plan - Option ParalysisThe Flight Of Sleipnir - LoreThe Howling Wind - Into The CryosphereThe Ocean - Anthropocentric The Ocean - HeliocentricThe Red Sparowes - The Fear Is ExcruciatingThe Sword - Warp RidersThou - SummitTorche - Songs for SinglesTrees - Freed Of This FleshTriptykon - Eparistera DaimonesTriptykon - ShatterTwilight - Monument To Time EndU.S. Christmas - Run Thick In The NightU.S. Christmas/Minsk/Harvestman - Hawkwind TriadUfomammut - EveUltralyd - InertiadromeUnearthly Trance - VVoltax - Fugitive State of MindWatain - Lawless DarknessWhite Hills - White HillsWino - AdriftWithered - DualitasWolf People - SteepleWormrot - AbuseYakuza - Of Seismic ConsequenceYear Of No Light - Ausserwelt Zoroaster - Matador
Any complaints about albums please say so, as obviously I am not familiar with all of them.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link
incase you missed this
Henry is adamant it doesn't qualify. You dont want him to get angry do you?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I have a problem with the "heavy rock" designation for stuff like this. I mean, it's just there so we can include stoner rock and stuff like that, not things that aren't metal but are rock and heavy in a non-metal way.
― Moving Pixels (J3ff T.), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm vetoing Killing Joke, simply because I don't want that wonderful album sullied by this ego-driven clusterfuck of a poll.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:33 (thirteen years ago) link
okay okay. can we change the poll title, then?
ILM Metal/Heavy Rock & other 'metal' subgenres 2010 POLL NOMINATIONS THREAD CLOSES 31/12 - All are welcome, as long as you vote for albums that we arbitrarily approve them. Oh, and don't worry, one of the year's best albums won't win because we've eliminated it from nominations before we even vote! ISN'T THIS FUN YOU GUYS
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ vetoing killing joke
So the Jeff Beck album probably doesn't count either, huh?
― I want a tracks poll! (Viceroy), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
jeff otm
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd like to disqualify all the albums i don't personally enjoy from this poll before voting begins, so people can only vote for albums i like. i'll post the list of approved albums after i decide which of my favorites i'd like people to rank in their ballots. brb
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
lol yes!
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Herman, you know I love you. You're a great part of the ILM family, but you doom your own polls time and time again by being so exclusionary and, in turn, making people angry before voting even begins. I expect the countdown will be epic, though, so I'll tune in.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Wilildlife is as heavy as Torche is nowadays.
I don't get why we've included Jesu or Sunn o)))))))))))) or Om in years past but not Swans this year. None of them is approaching heaviness from a metal viewpoint, no matter what they say or what actual metal stuff various players in those bands have done or continue to do.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
hey FOUR OTHER GUYS vetoed it, ok?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
And way more than four want it eligible.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i bet i can find four guys who agree it should be in & would vote for it
lol xp
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Karma to Burn - Appalachian IncantationSahara Surfers - Spacetrip on a Paper PlaneDead Meadow - Three Kings Hansel - Never Say Die Stone Sour - Audio SecrecyAcross Tundras - Old World Wanderer
― I want a tracks poll! (Viceroy), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link
And Killing Joke aren't metal either. Even if Phil puts them on a year end metal list.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
wait a min. stone sour??? are you markers?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Skullflower should totally be on there btw -- shit is waaaayyyy heavier than Sunn O))) even
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
It shouldn't be shocking that a metal/"heavy rock" poll is exclusionary. That's the point. Taylor Swift and Flying Lotus are also excluded, along with lots of other stuff. It'll be more fun if you just quit bitching and let it go.
― Moving Pixels (J3ff T.), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I've not heard the newest skullflower so i will include them for now.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ having stone sour nominated, but excluding several of the year's great albums
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
ez you want the wildildlife put back up then?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not shocked, but I think it's hilarious that people can draw this imaginary line somewhere that's not exactly static. Like I said upthread, it's not like anyone's coming in here nominating Rihanna.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't have a problem with wildildlife. And if people have a problem with Killing Joke, we can take them off.
― Moving Pixels (J3ff T.), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway i'll come back when i've cooled down a bit. this is ridiculous, we should've let the poll be run either without a nominations list, or without a couple arrogant vetoes spoiling a good number of voters' ballots in advance.
never had such a strict nominations process in 2008/09 btw! i think several of you are getting crankier w/ age
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
some of those noms were not-so-subtle digs, obv.
― I want a tracks poll! (Viceroy), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
btw i'd like to nominate
Rihanna - Loud
k thx
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i <3 u, ilxor
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Probably not going to vote for and I doubt anyone else would. Just had it on my list of heavy stuff I liked this year.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
There's nothing "arrogant" about my veto -- Swans are postpunk. Punk is not metal(or what is meant by heavy rock here), and postpunk isn't metal, even if there is metal crossover with both, and even if there is some heaviness involved.
― Moving Pixels (J3ff T.), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Swans were postpunk in 1985, when being postpunk was still a concern. In 2010, they're Swans. No qualification necessary.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
everything in this poll is post-punk -- punk happened in the '70s, this is 2010
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link