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are you gonna start referring to it as "mine own thread" now, deej?

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or how awesome i am
--lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej)

I know I don't say it enough, but i think you're pretty awesome

narc of sb

yo that virgo song "slick partna" is like my favorite song ever right now - tell me more about this shit plz

speaking of "the world of young people" who remembers "the world of objects," was that a jaymc-laurel beef thing? hilarious nb shit from me early days on ilx iirc

hahaha

i had never seen that beef but it is pretty hilarious

can i just say wtf to the 2010 parts of this thread. from an outsider POV
wow

since u are generally anti-yeezy, anti-lucious and anti-ofwgkta are there any indie-approved rock-crit-rap sensations in 2010 that you will actually stump for?

There aren't any other indie-approved rock-crit-rap sensations in 2010.

they didnt publish our lists huh. i guess curren$y might qualify as a 'rock crit rap sensation' right?

Lol was about to post "curren$y's first album but that doesn't really answer whiney's question".

they didnt publish our lists huh.

you're surprised?

since u are generally anti-yeezy, anti-lucious and anti-ofwgkta are there any indie-approved rock-crit-rap sensations in 2010 that you will actually stump for?

― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, December 17, 2010 11:18 AM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

There aren't any other indie-approved rock-crit-rap sensations in 2010.

― Matt DC, Friday, December 17, 2010 11:53 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

there are tons! Lil B, Freddie Gibbs, Das Racist, Yelawolf...

what other indie places are stumpin for yela besides Spin?

quietus for one

i am curious, yela

he got grandfathered in from the big boi album

i wonder if deej stumps for rap that doesn't have a populist base already, seems to me that's part of the concern with ofwgkta, yela, gibbs and so on

thats not really the problem for me

deej used to hate on waka, ftr

i hated on waka when he was just 'o lets do it' -- i came around circa his turn on 'as real as it gets' off burrrprint, not exactly a late adopter here

he was in the oj camp

what are some examples of u stumping for rap that has no populist base? roc marciano maybe?

marciano is a good example. celph title, although i dont love that album i love buckwild's production on it

davinci

davinci had local buzz i thought

honestly have no concept of how 'populist' roach gigz is or isnt

davinci had local buzz i thought

― zvookster, Friday, December 17, 2010 11:29 AM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dunno. he knows san quinn or w/e but i dunno that hes got a huge populist base. rap 'heads' ive talked to online knew him but def not in the populist sense more an 'in the know' thing

im really not sure how we're defining 'populist' at this point tho -- does odd future not have local buzz?

isnt 'populist' more about aesthetics?

oh god

im not starting beef im just genuinely unsure what zvooster means when he says im repping for populist rappers -- i think theres a correlation & populism totally has ~some~ connection to my approach to rap but the terms need to be more well defined

yeh i see how it can be but i wasn't thinking in terms of aesthetics really, like u seemed concerned that ofwgkta was being plucked from obscurity by "the only tastemaker", it's not like they were hood superstars. or that gibbs was being listened to only by p4k readers at the expense of ppl like idk wiz & currensy who were selling out shows or some better example. just a bee in my bonnet i had that doesn't seem to be founded on much.

is there a thread called "unask deej" because I would post this in there

lol pitchfork didn't discover odd future come on son

like maybe u see yourself reporting to the p4k crowd on what's happening rather than being a tastemaker which is somehow dangerous or inauthentic?

hush whiney the grown ups are talking

better example than wiz + c would be mob figaz -> jacka, husalah, obv

my issues with odd future vs. freddie gibbs are importantly different

i like / have no problem w/ odd future (or lil b) & like some songs by both. they're just not v. close to my particular aesthetic wheelhouse.

i think it totally *makes sense* that pfork cover them & that they be acclaimed. its just not something im personally drawn towards. the only thing i would resist is these artists -- who are, it must be said, marginal, outsider-type performers -- start being treated as if they are central to what rap is about in 2010, or are seen as true 'visionaries' of rap etc. instead of outsiders w/ a weird/unique perspective. over rappers who imo are doing the most interesting/important stylistic work as rappers right now -- husalah jacka gucci currensy whoever else (& fyi wiz is an example of a rapper i like at pretty much just a popist level -- love a few of his songs but i dont think hes nearly on the level of the rappers i mentioned)

roach gigz isnt on the level of those guys either but i feel like hes moving in that direction on his best stuff

freddie gibbs is an entirely difft issue -- he makes wayyy less sense to me as a critical darling. it comes down to crit insecurity about not being down w/ gangster rap x fetishism of skills x the fact that his first record was really well constructed x narratives about major label fuckups

i mean what i liked about the first gibbs album was that it felt like an anonymous major lable gangster record from '99 or something ... but gibbs remains anonymous to me & as a character what is there to say about him?

so it is after all down to aesthetics. the only problem there is that there's no onus on a critic to act as if an artist is marginal and outsider if the artist feels central to him.

well idk if there is or not the thread is "ask deej"

well i think all critics should also be working as historians to some degree ... like, there are certain kinds of aesthetic progress critics value heavily & some they ignore. do u think the first dude to play drums in a disco style is given the reverence he deserves for so massively shifting musical history?

imo saying lil b is a bigger deal that gucci in terms of his impact on the art form is like saying sun ra is a bigger deal that duke ellington. just being radical doesnt make u inherently more significant (this is the problem w/ the 'progress' narrative in gen)

"imo saying lil b is a bigger deal that gucci in terms of his impact on the art form is like saying sun ra is a bigger deal that duke ellington"

So wait you can't think Sun Ra is a bigger deal than Duke Ellington? I'm glad someone asked deej about this!

comparing someone as amazing and accomplished as a musician as Sun Ra and with a career that has literally dozens of amazing albums in a bunch of varied styles and settings to Lil' B is pretty ill IMO

i mean maybe if Sun Ra's career consisted releasing 200 youtube videos of random scatting while plunking away at three chords on an organ, then yes

itt deej ranks jazz greats 4u

In the future everyone's career will consist of "200 youtube videos of random scatting"! THANK YOU CLOUD!