Are white people who say "I don't like hip hop" yet listen to it when white people make it really saying "i don't like black people"?

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Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 31 July 2005 06:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Well Elton said just that - I heard him in an interview when it was announced they would perform "Stan" together. And yes, the shady persona is obviously comic - not only was it conceived as a vehicle to tell jokes with, as cultural weight was loaded into it and its flexibility was explored, it continued to be surreal, free form and gag-based. I mean, its last airing was "My Dad's Gone Crazy", which is profound and fullojokes.

There's a deep comic strain running through hip hop per se - from "Rapper's Delight" on really, white and black - Biggie and Kanye are Eminem's equal all the three are different from one another, but the Beastie Boys started out that way too - Chuck had his Flav; even The Chronic had RBX. Also you can't rule out the dozens and other game playing as deep influences.

plebian plebs (plebian), Sunday, 31 July 2005 08:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah people don't realize that Biggie rapping about robbing was supposed to be funny. "Gimme the baby ring and the #1 mom pendant!" C'mon! It's sort of fucked up, but it's still really funny.

Gavin, Sunday, 31 July 2005 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

"A whole lot of white people in the U.S. have NO IDEA what black people are like outside of the entertainment industry."

Exactly, cuz they don't give a shit! And not just about African Americans either. They don't care about LOTS of stuff.

"scott im interested in the difference btw overlooking smthng vs not giving a shit, cld u elaborate?"

Usually, if you are overlooking something, it means that you are ignoring something or have something to overlook. That you don't want to think about something. I think, for a vast majority of people, this isn't the case. They don't think about it AT ALL. They don't think about or debate the ramifications of a corrupt and haphazard criminal justice system that is stacked against the poor and that favors people who aren't poor. They don't think about a decades-long near-genocidal war on drugs that has laid waste to GENERATIONS of American citizens and the effects that this has on society both here and abroad. They don't think about any of these things. They just want the bad guys LOCKED UP. and they want the key thrown away. They want to PUNISH "bad" people. And when those people are gone, they are DEAD. They cease to exist. And this is fine for a great many citizens of the United States. They aren't shielding their eyes from the messy realities of life and the consequences of overzealous law enforcement. They hired/voted for that overzealous law enforcement! They want vengeance, not rehabilitation. They just want people to stay off their fucking lawns. A lot of Americans have no tolerance for anything that doesn't work or that isn't working. They just throw it away. That includes people. For more insight, I recommend reading the article in the latest Harper's magazine on how Americans have perverted Christ's teachings into a personal wish-fullfillment/damn the weak philosophy that is as hard-hearted as it is mind-bogglingly selfish and diseased.

on some levels, yes, people may shy away from the specifics of poverty/prison/what their tax-dollars buy them, but some people are just naturally squeamish. other people enjoy the fruits of inequality by watching Cops and choice HBO docudramas. And some people even find themselves rooting for the children of a drug dealer. I know I'm curious as to what kinds of hijinx Meadow and Anthony Jr. are gonna get up to on the next season of The Sopranos! (jeez, if there is a next season. they really make you wait.)All in all, people seem pretty happy with the system of justice in this country that we are ALL responsible for.

That's all I meant when I said that people don't give a shit and weren't overlooking the effects of a prison-culture on people.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 31 July 2005 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

otm

006 (thoia), Sunday, 31 July 2005 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

For more insight, I recommend reading the article in the latest Harper's magazine on how Americans have perverted Christ's teachings into a personal wish-fullfillment/damn the weak philosophy that is as hard-hearted as it is mind-bogglingly selfish and diseased.

Someone just sent me that article a few days ago (partial text). I went to Catholic school, Congregationalist sunday school and a quaker high school so it all seems rather DUH to me. Golden rule, J-Dog chill with prostitutes, etc.

I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Sunday, 31 July 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

One time this fucking rich ass CPWer friend-of-a-friend was talking about how black people are on average taller than white people and never have I wanted to ram someone's teeth down their throat more.

Gavin, Sunday, 31 July 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
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,, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

big boi likes kate bush, though, so that's something.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Interesting if not racist question: why would/do people of one culture care to imagine or relate to people of another? Sometimes, I'll listen to foreign music for a few minutes and pretend like I feel like I'm in Spain, Hawaii or a Buddhist temple, but by the time the songs are finished, I've had enough pretend for many moons. These are pleasing, escapist sounds to me. I've never felt that way about hip hop.

The Masked Racist!, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Cuz hip hop is in English?

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Why do you have to pretend to be something else every time you listen to music? What the fuck is wrong with you? When I listen to music from Spain, Hawaii or a Buddhist temple I'm not usually fuckin' pissed cause I can't find my matador outfit so I can't really like it.

There are some songs and artists I can relate to (I, like Jay Z, have no patience and hate waiting), but it's not some prerequisite that I need all music to fit into for me to enjoy. Sometimes I just want to nod my head or understand the emotion the artist is feeling or space out or one of a million billion different levels I as a human can appreciate music on.

Jazzy jeff cleaned the salad, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

sometimes i'll eat black eyed peas and i'll think "who'm i fooling? my eyes aren't black!" :(

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

man these greens are delicious & im not even wearing a collar

,, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

hahaha

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Cuz hip hop is in English?

Is it?

The Masked Racist!, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Why do you have to pretend to be something else every time you listen to music?

Please highlight the exact passage where I used the words "every time I listen to music."

The Masked Racist!, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

ethan i won breakfast for two at peaches (the winning answer was 'otto graham'), did you ever have breakfast there? what's it like? is it ginormous breakfast like at the mayflower?

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Pink Teacup

The Masked Racist!, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

"Pull your brains out your ass with a hanger"
Yes, that's English.

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Sounds like "ooga booga" to me! Haha, but seriously, I'm always finding out what the street lingo means 3 years after the fact. Also, Latino hiphop is huge and not English.

The Masked Racist!, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

just wait until the mike skinner's reggaeton album

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't consider Beck hip-hop (I mean, it is so much more than just that one genre), but if some white guy dismisses hip-hop and still likes Beastie Boys and Eminem and absolutely no black hip-hop acts, then it is kind of suspect.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it really? Aren't the Beastie Boys and Eminem really quite different from black hip-hop acts?

The Masked Racist!, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Elvis would wear a football helmet when he watched football games.

Some Guy, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
http://www.slate.com/id/2141421/nav/tap1/
Does Hating Rap Make you a Racist?
Stephin Merritt is singled out in the crossfire by Sasha Frere-Jones.

Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Stephin Merritt is a goddamn cracker

Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"Zip-A-Dee Doo-Dah" was good enough for Sun Ra.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i can't believe how goddamn stupid these anti-merritt people are.

mervin heinz, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

When the left starts calling people racist because they don't listen to enough hip hop and rap....that's how Republicans stay in office.

Rush Limbaugh, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Dear fellow Republicans: Just a friendly reminder that if you espouse a viewpoint that advocates multi-culturalism, you're a member of "the left."

mervin heinz, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Stephin Merritt is a goddamn cracker

You're just kidding around but the word cracker comes from Scotland and the obnoxious Scottish people who got that tag ("Shakespeare's King John (1595): "What cracker is this . . . that deafes our ears / With this abundance of superfluous breath?") ironically moved to the Southern US and formed both Southern white and black American culture in general.

The black card game of whist (which some of my black friends' still play!) was picked up directly from Northern Brits for one example.

To call Merritt a cracker is essentially no different from calling him a "loud nigger."

I'm just pointing out that irony always wins.

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Moreover, the whole of their sustained attack against Merritt is founded on the dangerous and stupid notion that one's taste in music can be interrogated for signs of racist intent the same way a university's admissions process can:

Again. Irony. Winning, etc

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

That article hurt Jessica Hopper's feelings :(

http://tiny.abstractdynamics.org/

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

There are like ten million other, lamer things about Merritt than his supposed racism.

adam (adam), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Clearly the people who hate Merritt hate white people.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

(Or at least increasingly boring white people).

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

There are like ten million other, lamer things about Merritt than his supposed racism.

Ohhhhh-T-M !!

Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Could it at least be noted that during that 100 songs of the century by year poll, he actually did vote for a rap song?

Or is it his token hip-hop selection in question? Or his token 11% of his votes by black artists? There are plenty of other cultures completely absent from his ballot as well, should we alert Amnesty International?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

cunga added to the esteemed list of white ilxers who drop the n-word for no reason

-+-+-+++- (ooo), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

ahem, as if jpegs of William Henry Harrison count as a "reason"

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Does Merritt vote for his own songs in the P&J as well, like certain other people?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

quoting beanie sigel = reason

-+-+-+++- (ooo), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Hopper is dumber than a bag of hammers

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not sure about Merrit's supposed racism but the line
"Get that fucking chihuahua away from me, NOW" is convincing evidence of SFJ's homophobia.

Bidfurd (Bidfurd), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link

the Slate article says that Merritt does own a chihuahua, though. are chihuahuas a gay stereotype? I always kinda thought they were but wasn't sure if I just thought that because my gay uncle used to have a chihuahua.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

lol @ shipley's sitcom family

-+-+-+++- (ooo), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

we had a sassy black friend too but Stephin Merritt came by with a burning cross

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link


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