i thought juke was a regional hip-hop subgenre when "watch my feet" came out (à la hyphy or jerk or whatever) - even keke palmer had a footworking song on her album! i didn't realise until last year that it was more of a club genre that isn't particularly mc-based.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 11:16 (thirteen years ago) link
btw footcrab and dumbshit become 10 times more impressive if you play them pitched up.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 13 December 2010 11:18 (thirteen years ago) link
anyone know if mike p was into juke pre-footcrab
pretty certain he was yeah - I don't think he discovered it for himself in any especially privileged way (ie fanboy on the internet) but I seem to recall reading that he's been bugging out on footwork for the best part of a couple of years maybe. I mean if you try and think how long it actually takes to put something like the Nate album together, from first point of contact (NB one of Mike's colleagues described Nate as "a nightmare" to work with lol), I'd assume it was in the works since before the start of this year... could be wrong tho
― Princess BigSam (DJ Mencap), Monday, 13 December 2010 11:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah here we go http://blog.bleep.com/2010/08/12/mike-paradinas-introduces-juke-house/
― Princess BigSam (DJ Mencap), Monday, 13 December 2010 11:30 (thirteen years ago) link
that mix thats linked on that page is seriously good. one of the best ive heard actually.
in the comments someone says theres some european juke djs/producers called nightmare juke squad. sounds like horrorcore. though id rather hear some european guys take juke into more of a gabba type direction than dubstep producers remoulding it into the (somewhat boring) dubstep aesthetic.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 13 December 2010 11:36 (thirteen years ago) link
joy orbison is a much more annoying name than ramadanman imo
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Monday, 13 December 2010 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link
they should both have 'lol!' at the end of their names
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 13 December 2010 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, December 13, 2010 5:16 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
juke isnt really a club genre as much as it is a genre for kids under 21 who cant get into club, fyi
& yes i was just doing the lol dubstep = idm thing
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link
also whiney's wrong that 'no one listens to dubstep,' of course, but thats exactly the problem
this tarring of all the different strands of dubstep with the same boring brush is a bigger problem
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Monday, 13 December 2010 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link
shame its only dubstep guys that seem to have picked up on this - would much rather hear grime producers respond to juke.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 13 December 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Real talk.
― Matt DC, Monday, 13 December 2010 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link
dubstep isn't IDM, it's trip hop for the 10s
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
lol i thought that was disco edits
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
another uk version of juke (and it's 160 bpm...those ramadanman tracks talked about up thread slow it down to 130ish): http://oomk.tumblr.com/post/2190370393/zomby-digital-rain-we-want-moah
i'm totally unsurprised that dubstep producers would gravitate towards this stuff. beat-wise, there are more similarities than differences...the syncopation/sense of clave in the drums, high bpm with half-time backbeats, etc.
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 13 December 2010 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
close, deej. disco edits are the big beat of the 10s.
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe, but trip hop for the 10s >>>> trip hop for the 90s
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 13 December 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
trip-hop was awesome and "trip-hop for the 10s" is nothing but a positive
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
yes and no
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
prefer trip hop from the 90s -- at least tried to sound vaguely sexxy
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
exception: that jamie woon track (original version) is still my shit
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
of interest to people into that jamie woon track: creep ft. romy madley croft (from the xx) - days
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
sexiest dubstep track was flylo + thom yorke
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
the thing abt the jamie woon track of course is that it doesnt sound like dubstep at all
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
nor does james blake, mt kimbie, etc etc
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
dubsteps a lot of different things. some of it's the trip hop of the 10s, some of it is the drum n bass, some of it the electro and some of it the detroit techno.
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
^
(that jamie woon track is basically 'burial doing pop/house' to me)
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 13 December 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
"dubstep" as a single central thing pretty much doesn't exist as it did 4-5 years ago, and there are a bunch of rather interesting reasons for that - but anyway, saying "[x] sounds like dubstep" in 2010 doesn't really tell me much about what that thing sounds like.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
indeed non-londoners cottoning on to dubstep in 2010 could be compared to non-chicagoans cottoning on to juke in 2010
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
dubstep iirc basically describes any awkward stilted song w jabbing bass frequencies that stoners listen to. the clumsier the rhythm the more 'dubstep influence'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
can we consider my trolling here 'argument trolling' & not 'personal beef' trolling? just fyi
disprove me of my stereotypes
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
deej i'm guessing you don't like the whole flylo/brainfeeder beat scene either?
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 13 December 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i am familiar with dubstep stoner listener stereotypes, we've had them here for years. they're lame. tarring every kind of music that's vaguely linked to the genre with that brush is just inaccurate though.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
the gist of my post was the slow, uncomfortable rhythmic aspects. it's anti-house, that way, mad masculine. i think hip hop production has done a better job of bringing together (& often playing off) masculine & feminine, this stuff always feels weighted on the male side of that equation
ignore the stoner stereotype for a moment & just throw me some traxx that are dubstep-qua-dubstep, but dont strike you as stereotypically clumsy, rhythmically
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry if this is remedial ilx shit -- we can bypass this if its been done before.i also wont be able to check youtubes etc til i get home from work
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
"dubstep qua dubstep" - do you mean dubstep from back in the day (which i'm not an expert on and only have a vague liking for) or, like, various iterations of it now?
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
ARE YOU A TRIPSTER?!?!?! OMG WTF LOL
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
just throw me some traxx that are dubstep-qua-dubstep, but dont strike you as stereotypically clumsy, rhythmically
Pinch - QawwaliMala - Left Leg OutToasty - SplashMala - Change / Forgivethe Silkie albumMonkeysteak - Lighthouse Dub (Pinch Remix)
Although maybe none of these are exactly dubstep-qua-dubstep, which if interpreted narrowly basically means the space between Benga, Leofah, Distance and Skream.
― Tim F, Monday, 13 December 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
by "clumsy" i don't know if you mean the unquantized thing or the big-beat heaviness of some dubstep shit (which i hate).
but 'cmyk' is pretty straightforward rhythmically and not overly dude-ish:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQoQirZwxE4
and i could see this working on a dancefloor here, maybe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0phGzrcTEE
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 13 December 2010 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDuznqhS6tQ
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i think you can call a (relatively) old mala track and/or one of the first tracks pinch every produced "dubstep-qua-dubstep".
― À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Monday, 13 December 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VrEkkI-y0w
^^ feminine pressure
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty sure that 2562 track will read as very 'clumsy' to deej
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 13 December 2010 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
dubstep from a few years back -
geiom ft. marita - reminissin'pangaea - routermr lager ft. alys be - tell memala - aliciabenga - e tripsbenga & coki - night
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBp0EyMhCwE
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 13 December 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
wait but this is a FOOTWORK thread
i am throwing out dubstep tracks that sound not rhythmically masculine, and if we're reading "masculine" as "not deep house" then at least no more masculine than footwork!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRnYY-sn1Rw
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
that's not a typo
rhythmically complex but NOT rhythmically masculine
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3epmUGyBUf8
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
okay that's a bit masculine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nK-sN_DDfk
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link