okay that's a bit masculine
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nK-sN_DDfk
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
ok pretty much disqualifies itself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEjVC-zEbeM
pretty good except for the 4/4 part
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
posting in former juke-turned-dubstep thread that it seems sort of backwards to be making a point of forcing arguably progressive/forward-thinking/whachawannacallit music into a masculine/feminine duality
― fauxmarc, Monday, 13 December 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
not to speak for deej, but i think he might be asking for dubstep could conceivably work in a u.s. club, i.e. not too abstract, aggressive, or strictly-for-the-heads nerdy?
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 13 December 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
why?
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
making a point of forcing arguably progressive/forward-thinking/whachawannacallit music into a masculine/feminine duality
I can see the issue with dualities but don't see why this would be more true of arguably progressive/forward-thinking/whachawannacallit music than anything else, can you elaborate please marc.
― Tim F, Monday, 13 December 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i think he might be asking for dubstep could conceivably work in a u.s. club, i.e. not too abstract, aggressive, or strictly-for-the-heads nerdy?
ok, didn't get that too clearly
I can see the issue with dualities but don't see why this would be more true of arguably progressive/forward-thinking/whachawannacallit music than anything else
i recognize it's probably just my opinion but using traditional heteronormative classifications for a lot of things comes off as antiquated to me - wherein applying these to anything progressive (can i take this wording back yet?) and whatnot seems especially at odds. though i realize there's already a long history of referring to characteristics like abstractedness as masculine. carry on.
back to clubbiness - it's frustrating how much crossover potential implied as a form of validity keeps coming up in this thread, but anyway i don't see why dubstep couldn't work in a club - but i'm under the impression most anything will work in a club. make it loud and throw some lights on and provide alcohol and aside from the wanting to hear something familiar, club-goers on the whole don't care do they?
the only time i've heard dubstep in the us to a non-head audience was kingdom, jubilee, egyptrixx, cubic zirconia, and some other dude downstairs at webster hall over the summer. it wasn't an "in the know" audience at all - hang-arounds from the hardcore band reunion show beforehand, local friends supporting, and curious normal-clubgoers walking in from the other room. it wasn't all dubstep but of course some tracks got in alongside all of the otherness that also isn't in much of a pop-friendly format. everyone had a great time for all of the lights/alcohol/don't care reasons above.
― fauxmarc, Monday, 13 December 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
...and the fog machine (i hate fog machines)
(and also that was just the downstairs room and not megaclub-y at all)
― fauxmarc, Monday, 13 December 2010 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link
quam just linked to this "prog juke" track by dj tmo
is this heading anywhere towards the wanting it to sound more like gabba someone mentioned?
― fauxmarc, Monday, 13 December 2010 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Marc the issue I have is that it sounds like you're equating abstraction with progression (your desire to withdraw that term is noted though) which strikes me as more loaded than talking about stuff in terms of masculinity or femininity. But I'd disagree with your general point anyway not just because i'm loathe to use terms like "progressive": if we're talking about music doing something new, interesting, noteworthy etc there's no reason that this can't be done in the context of sonics that tend to code "masculine" (say, assaultive grooves) or "feminine" (say, singalong choruses).
As a general rule it's not any particular description of music that is outmoded, it's the chains of equivalence between those descriptions.
― Tim F, Monday, 13 December 2010 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link
it sounds like you're equating abstraction with progression
yeah not all, was just up on the specific use of m/f but doubt that'll get anywhere in here.
― fauxmarc, Monday, 13 December 2010 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
okay tim if that's right then how do you work around "but that's what girls like" type of arguments
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link
That's a chain of equivalence right there (albeit one that is also a truism): "feminine sonics" => "girls like this".
Arguably if we're talking "heteronormative" wouldn't it be boys who would like music that sounds female?
Anyway whether saying "but that's what girls like" is a bad thing or not depends on the context I would have thought? I don't even know the implication of its usage in isolation.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe a different example would be illuminating:
If you describe something as "gay music", it might be:
1) music made by gay people2) music that sounds like gay people3) music that is liked by gay people
Now all three might apply, but alternatively only one or two of these things might be true, e.g Antony and the Johnsons is gay performer, who also sounds gay, but his fanbase probably isn't especially gay.
Whereas Kylie is someone who has a massive gay fanbase but is not a gay male obviously: to the extent that her music "sounds gay", is it because the music directly expresses qualities we associate with gayness, or is it that her music sounds like stuff we associate with gay fanbases? Probably a bit of both.
It's easy and (for the sake of convenience) not obviously wrongheaded to simply collapse these distinctions, but I hope my general point, being that such categories aren't exactly monolithic, is clear.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
regardless of whether this choppy bass futurism is ripe/appropriate for being assigned a gender, i think e.g. rustie & deej have different ideas about what it shld be aiming for, & therefore i'm just guessing, but maybe deej isn't going to come round to this
― ogmor, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlUY9BNl7lY
Re: dubstep being unsexy triphop.
― sistern, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 07:19 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.factmag.com/2010/12/09/stream-juke-lynchpin-dj-rashads-new-album-just-a-taste/
In the spirit of the thread, new Rashad album up for streaming.
― sistern, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 07:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i was kinda hoping to be able to read "deej reacts to dubstep" over my lunch break. maybe that should be a separate thread?
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
lol no i like it in this one
i didnt get a chance to listen last nite
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i really want to know what you think of martyn, 2562, shed and other detroit techno dubsteppers
prolly not much but still, bid for blab and all that.
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
come on deej
listen to some dubstep
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
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― samuel, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
:(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG0AremvLck
:)
― samuel, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I've not been on the boards long enough to know what a deej is or why we want to feed him dubstep in a juke thread but I'm guessing he's American and loves hip-hop dispite its many cliche's in 2010 and we wanna win him over with some killer UK material! I'm all up for that kind of fun and games. Have some Guido...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWcdwq2URSU
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i love 'wut' so much and feel bad for the snarky 'uk diplo' post. it's a valid comparison in relation to the b-more thing but until bok bok appears in a cunty blackberry ad i'll withhold judgement.
back on topic: i tried to listen to the dj nate album on the bus and it made me feel a bit ill. the rhythms didn't add up! #gettingold
― whitney from mtv's the city (tpp), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
gonna get into this stuff this weekend
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I would just like to point out that that DJ Rashad album I posted upthread is absolutely A++ high quality.
― sistern, Saturday, 18 December 2010 07:02 (thirteen years ago) link
"the rhythms didn't add up"
i feel like this sometimes. its also weird hearing these hard stuttering beats with a romantic vocal sample on top of it. the moods dont fit.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 19 December 2010 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
The last Rashad record is immense, I'm addicted to the Gil Scott Heron 'Home Is Where The Hatred Is' sampling/remixing 'I'm Gone' at the moment, the bass is ridic.
― the worst dong of the last ten years (Craigo Boingo), Friday, 25 March 2011 09:51 (thirteen years ago) link
The DJ Spinn 12" that just came out on Planet Mu is seriously good.
I just saw this vid today too lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTGP5M3Z9u8
― jimitheexploder, Friday, 25 March 2011 10:01 (thirteen years ago) link
^yeah it's great
not that it's more than like 25% a juke record but did you get the Murderbot album yet...? I'm p sure I like it on some level, it just might need a few more listens before I figure out how superficial of one
― I only use this style of type when I choose it (DJ Mencap), Friday, 25 March 2011 10:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I've not heard the record yet no, I've never been that into Murderbot but I dig the track in the video so I'll have to check it out at some point.
― jimitheexploder, Friday, 25 March 2011 10:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't really like the way Rashad flips his samples, sounds lazy - like on the Grace release, the way he uses Roy Ayers - You Send Me. You can't really lose with a sample like that anyway, I mean - we're talking 24 carat gold, but Rashad doesn't really add much. Then again, what it does do is make a Roy Ayers track footwork-able, it's about function?
I'm just looking forward to an RP Boo release.
― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Friday, 25 March 2011 12:18 (thirteen years ago) link
not strictly footwork but worth a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4n2miFAn7M
― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Friday, 1 April 2011 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i just picked up 15 early house/rave 12"s from murderbot on discogs.
― jaxon, Friday, 1 April 2011 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i cant decide how i feel about the rashad ghettophiles albums either. its cool to hear those samples in a footwork setting, cos that by default makes it diff/fresh than if it was just some hip hop producer looping them up for the millionth time, but imo he doesnt really do enough to them to make them feel totally integrated into the beat. it feels weird, like the samples running normally then the beat comes into take it off course. after a while you get used to it but im still not totally into the juke tracks that sample old soul/funk songs so liberally. sometimes it just sounds awkward too! like that dj spinn ep on planet mu, i think he samples a stevie song, and it just sounds weird to hear that kind of material made into footwork lol.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 2 April 2011 10:33 (thirteen years ago) link
although... seeing kids dancing to some of those tracks and hearing it as they would on a big system in a big hall kinda changed my mind a bit.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 2 April 2011 10:34 (thirteen years ago) link
http://blissout.blogspot.com/2011/04/proof-that-jukefootwork-best-bits-of-it.html#links
dont get this. surely if someone remixed an old house or techno tune or even garage tune into a textbook (which is what these tracks are) footwork track you could come to the same conclusion.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 4 April 2011 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
theres something a bit 'dated' i think about the chrissy murderbot album. i know hes drawing on a lot of old stuff he loved, so the references are all very clear, but it just feels a bit hollertronix-y. its fun though, i keep singing the vibe is so right. had hoped for more stuff as classy as bussin down though.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 3 June 2011 10:39 (twelve years ago) link
not chicago but any of u been feelin this juke- related release?
http://www.planet.mu/image/discography/ZIQ307_Machinedrum_Rooms.jpg?size=E382x382
bunch of my friends who are into that sort of thing are going pretty nuts about it & tho it's not 100% my kind of thing usually its undeniably really creative and adventurous. so many beats so much going on so much to play with
― sade lo (flopson), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't had time to give it a good listen but i like what i've heard. The Alarma EP he just put out on LuckyMe is pretty fun though. It's got a remix of "Love King" on it.
― Number None, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
who gives a shit about boring IDM-ified juke
ok im being cruel, its not shit
but it is a bit boring
why listen to machinedrum when dj diamond has an album on planet mu coming
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
Well clearly Planet Mu think they both have their merits
― Number None, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
seriously, no, its cool that both those things are on the same label
and machine drum isnt crap
it just seemed a bit muzaky to me when i heard it on the labels website is all
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
not feeling this. the chrissy murderbot record, on the other hand, is really fun.
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
the chrissy record is cool and sort of lodged itself in my head more than i expected it to but its a bit too lightweight and well, silly, though maybe thats just cos it was going for such an early 90sish vibe, idk. bit all over the place.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link