Smooth way of alluding to other threads, Roger. Doesn't Kate Bush have a four and a half octave range? What's Benatar's?
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 28 July 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link
you're right rogerfrommexico as long as the man likes her that is all that matters... i guess love of depeche and kate can equate a 12 year relationship. :)
― ehbenoit, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Alfred Soto (sotoal...), July 28th, 2005.pat b can sing 5.............5 notes lol and lmao.
― bat penetar, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link
Patricia Andrzejewski, born January 10, 1953 in Brooklyn, began studying voice as a child growing up in Lindenhurst, Long Island. Her mother had trained as an opera singer, and Pat eventually developed her own impressive four-and-a-half-octave vocal range.
So the tale of the tape sez it's an even match. In the ring though... almost-but-not-quite.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/shatterglas_bleed20/gavin_rossdale_02.jpg
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link
Just what I wanted to see. A giant picture of someone else in a KB thread!
Merely reading the title of the some of the tracks on The Red Shoes gives me goose pimples - "Lily", "Top Of The City"...despite a two or three tracks that fall flat, it's an amazing album. And how the hell a Prince collaboration actually worked, I can't figure out.
Although it did contain a few classics, The Sensual World sounded mostly boring to me. Like trying much too hard to come up with a Hounds of Love II.
― Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link
Re "Why Should I Love You?" According to the Prince bio "Possession," Bush was disappointed with what Prince had done to her song. After receiving the cassette demo, Prince proceeded to overdub instruments and vocals until the original melody line was lost. Bush had to re-remix it.
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Thursday, 28 July 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 25 September 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link
I would agree though about the difference in the problems with each album: the weak parts of The Sensual World are weak attempts at "Kate Bush" songs; the weak parts of The Red Shoes are when Kate comes across as just any girl.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 25 September 2005 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 25 September 2005 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link
i would include "top of the city" in that run.
― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 25 September 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link
WTF? Deeper Understanding/Between a Man and A Woman/Never Be Mine???? These are like my three favorite songs in a row
― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 25 September 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 25 September 2005 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 25 September 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 25 September 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Bimble The Nimble, Jumped Over A Thimble! (Bimble...), Sunday, 25 September 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 26 September 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 26 September 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 26 September 2005 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 26 September 2005 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 26 September 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― faith popcorn (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 26 September 2005 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― faith popcorn (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 26 September 2005 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― joseph (joseph), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 07:25 (eighteen years ago) link
But yeah, my point was more that if you just heard the first three songs you'd think you were in for an utterly amazing album and instead it's just very good. Coming after The Dreaming and The Hounds of Love it really does feel like a shift down a gear.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 10:43 (eighteen years ago) link
Speaking of corny and trashy, "Heads We're Dancing" is a marvelous addition to her Corny and Trashy Canon; there aren't many songs about dancing with Hitler.
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:24 (eighteen years ago) link
Tim may be right re. The Sensual World -- I'm still trying to get a grip on the whole thing, but the record opens very strong. On the whole, it still sounds a bit...overstuffed -- the video for "Love and Anger" indicated as much, featuring very LUSH optics, sparkly confetti and Dave Gilmour, who himself looks overstuffed. There's certainly some excellent music on here -- "Rocket's Tail", the She's Having a Baby OST, and the astonishing "The Fog", whose arrangement surely must be the late Michael Kamen's finest moment. And "Deeper Understanding"'s chorus is really compelling despite its dopey premise.
Somehow, it kind of feels like a loopy failure. But that's why we love her, I suppose.
More on The Red Shoes in a bit -- "Lily" I've always liked, though I feel much of the record deepens some of The Sensual World's worst transgressions.
Broadening things up a bit, how do we feel about her deployment of rock guitar on both these records and others?
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― bob abernethy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 06:15 (eighteen years ago) link
Jeff Beck's solo on "And So is Love" and Clapton's on "You're the One" are fantastic; she tamed these two tasteful menaces. It makes me wonder: what would a Kate Bush-produced album Clapton album sound like?
NB: Bush's own solo on "Big Stripey Lie" suggests she should play more guitar.
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link
i thought i had commented on this thread?...
so at first i was like TSW, but now... i dunno.
The Red Shoes kicks ASS for these:
1. Moments of Pleasure 2. Constellation of the Heart 3. Why Should I love You? 4. Song of Solomon
2 and 3 are ridiculously amazing, and the "I'll be the rose of sharon for ya" in Song of Solomon makes me weak at the knees.
― Surmounter, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 17:21 (sixteen years ago) link
A little sumpin' sumpin'.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 17:26 (sixteen years ago) link
yay! thanks!
― Surmounter, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Dud. I was so let down when this came out and no matter how hard I tried to like it, it just seemed forced and awkward with some of her worst lyrics. I liked "Rubberband Girl" and nothing else. Long since sold.
― Mr. Odd, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link
it took me a really long time too. but RG is not one of my fave traks. im telling u, Constellation and Why Should I love U are magic.
― Surmounter, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 20:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Wouldn't exactly call it classic although it has its moments. Still her weakest album though.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link
I remember this one mostly for the real tearjerker ones ("You're the One", "Moments Of Pleasure" [the 'dancing down the aisle of a plane' part gets me every time], "And So Is Love") despite the fact that much of the rest is great as well. Strange that though I like Aerial much more, only one song on all of Aerial does the same kind of thing to me.
But Alfred you had said in your review that with college radio in '93 it was an awkward time and I rather agree with that. I even think there is something undesirable about the production at times on this album (thankfully Aerial comes across much better, more straightforward in this regard). Your review had said "the last time deejays would tolerate the schizophrenic programming of yore" but it wasn't the DJ's who were to blame, it was program directors, major labels getting their sticky fingers into the mess, buyouts of stations by corporations. And hell, I've said before here music itself was in a state of flux. The rot was setting in.
― Bimble, Friday, 21 September 2007 03:40 (sixteen years ago) link
delving back into it!
― Surmounter, Thursday, 8 May 2008 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link
i think it's the kind of thing: it may be bad, but it's bad for her, which is actually pretty great for someone else
― Surmounter, Thursday, 8 May 2008 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Exactly. Her big personal meltdown record. I'm really sorry more folks can't see why it's so great.
― Bimble, Thursday, 8 May 2008 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link
hey there bill
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 01:46 (fifteen years ago) link
ha
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 02:00 (fifteen years ago) link
Top Of The City is wonderful, but my brain wishes there was a version arranged in the style of Hounds Of Love era kate.
― Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Coming to this album for the first time after being a huge KB fan since I was 16. Not exactly a revelation on the level of finding another chapter of Ulysses, but more like hearing from an old friend you were really close to but hadn't heard from in a while. She could sing the alphabet in a certain tone of voice and I would listen.
Gonna give Aerial another listen as I kind of dismissed it when it came out as "boring".
― I like tv random anything (corey), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 04:05 (thirteen years ago) link
"Big Stripey Lie"!
― balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 12:39 (thirteen years ago) link
LIKE A POMEGRANATEINSIDES OUT
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:42 (ten years ago) link
currently assembling a queer identity theory of "eat the music"
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:07 (ten years ago) link
"constellation of the heart" is i guess poppy and funky but then she has a weird conversation with the choir
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link
the Prince collab is one of the duds.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:26 (ten years ago) link
nah
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:09 (ten years ago) link
What one's the Prince collaboration? <3 Constellation so much.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
"Why Should I Love You"
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link
i like how ecstatic "why should i love you" is. fun to kinda flail around to
it doesn't live up to the idea of prince/kate but if you ignore that
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link
the Prince song "My Computer" (dedicated to Kate Bush) is sweeter
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:20 (ten years ago) link
i was reminded of "my computer" very recently by an incoherent piece about prince and computers in the awl. made the day great
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:23 (ten years ago) link
why should I love you might have been better with Prince bothering to do the actual vocals instead of Lenny Henry pretending to be Prince. Maybe not.
― akm, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:28 (ten years ago) link
promised I wouldn't do this but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbP-dapt09Q
― katherine, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:29 (ten years ago) link
In Possessed Alex Hahn recounts Prince's conscientious, patient slaughter of Bush's demo.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:30 (ten years ago) link
katherine is killing it: http://oneweekoneband.tumblr.com/tagged/kate_bush/chrono
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 August 2013 21:25 (ten years ago) link
katherine this is really amazing, holy crap
― -- A smile on a dog, Stephen answered, (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 16 August 2013 22:57 (ten years ago) link
why should i love you is definitely the takeaway here
― surm, Friday, 16 August 2013 22:59 (ten years ago) link
this is finished -- and thanks!
― katherine, Monday, 19 August 2013 02:49 (ten years ago) link
having never known about an alternate version until now, that demo is ten times better than what prince did. not sure why she even wanted prince to do anything to that song anyway.
― StillAdvance, Monday, 25 April 2016 10:08 (eight years ago) link
She didn't really want him to do much: http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/blog/how-prince-met-kate-bush-and-made-why-should-i-love-you.
Bush asked Prince to contribute a few background vocals to a song called “Why Should I Love You”, which she had just recorded in full at Abbey Road Studios. But when Prince received the track, he ignored the intructions and dismantled the entire thing like a crazed mechanic taking apart old cars on his backyard. He wanted to inject himself into the very heart of it, weaving his sound amongst her sound, giving it a new soul entirely. As Koppelman explains, “We essentially created a new song on a new piece of tape and then flew all of Kate's tracks back on top of it… Prince stacked a bunch of keys, guitars, bass, etc, on it, and then went to sing background vocals.”
Maybe she was just too polite to turn it down? (I actually like both versions, even though the Prince one is a little bonkers.)
― A nationally known air show announcer/personality (tipsy mothra), Monday, 25 April 2016 14:19 (eight years ago) link
the timeline of this doesn't really match up, but I wonder whether it was prince or kate who was responsible for the album version not being about sex with jesus
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 25 April 2016 15:11 (eight years ago) link
she's no good for you babyshe's no good for you now
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 December 2017 14:41 (six years ago) link
my favorite kate bush song
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 25 December 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link
i've said this elsewhere but "top of the city" is probably my favorite kate bush song
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, August 12, 2013 12:53 PM (four years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh look
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 25 December 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link
where just a couple of pigeons are livin'
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 December 2017 15:21 (six years ago) link
I really enjoyed that katherine thanks for writing it
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 25 December 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
absolutely love moments of pleasure
― kolakube (Ross), Monday, 25 December 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
I’ve often thought of doing a poll: This Woman’s Work vs Moments of Pleasure. I would be upset if Moments lost... so no go.
― Woon... Doopee Time (FlopsyDuck), Monday, 25 December 2017 22:22 (six years ago) link
belated, thanks!
my favorite track from this at the moment's probably lily, which says a lot about 2017
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 28 December 2017 15:52 (six years ago) link
album has aged better than I expected; I loved it when it came out then went through a long period of thinking it was really duff. but really the only duff track on this is Constellation of the Heart I think, now.
― akm, Thursday, 28 December 2017 16:45 (six years ago) link