Kelley Polar - Love Songs of The Hanging Gardens (Environ CD05)

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yes, obviously he's from new jersey, but his album can't be classified as New Jersey Techno, can it?

biz, Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

why not?

tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Morgan was certainly inspired by some of the early releases of IDM, but I think the IDM that I knew and loved had run it's course prior to his first release.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

this is going to rapidly get pointless if it isn't already. how's this: the kelley polar album has qualities that make it similar to early idm. the fact that idm is now a label that refers to something that sounds completely different is beside the point.

xpost, completely agree dan - "idm" is now largely shit and a completely moronic genre name.

tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

my point re: IDM, like other genre names that get messed up along the way, I tend to always go with what the meaning currently is and not what it was. In 1995, I was an "electro" dj who played nothing but classic breakdance cuts. If you call yourself an electro dj today people are going to expect basically, synth-pop, italo etc. Likewise I wouldn't be suprised if many current IDM fans would be confused at hearing something like Black Dog's Virtual or B12's early singles.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

that's too sensible though!

tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean i do the same thing, too, but for the purposes of this discussion i think it is more than fair to say that this album has roots in idm (and detroit techno) - even if those roots go really far back.

tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

genres don't have to grow linearly.

tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Tricky, i agree it shares elements with the original sound or idea of IDM. Orbital was lumped in with the IDM movement in the early days and I can understand where you're coming from...However, as mentioned upthread, it's the attention to detail in the production that lend it that Original IDM sound, rather than experimental, intricate rhythms commonly associated with the sound today.

biz, Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:04 (eighteen years ago) link

i agree! sorry if i'm being unclear.

tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

It's may be fair to say it has roots in IDM, but it would be unwise to do so if your goal is to communicate something others will understand.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, and conversely, if things were easy to understand, there would be little point in communicating.

tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 27 October 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

saying it's IDM is just asking for an argument, so maybe your plan succeeded. i'm listening if you care to actually make a detailed argument as to why it's IDM.
-- biz (b...), October 27th, 2005 8:16 AM.

no dummy, because my mom knows what disco is and if i played her kelley polar she'd just say "oh, more electronic noise?" she can tell the difference between disco and other music but to the 99% of the populace that don't listen to minimal electronica this simply isn't disco, or nu romantic or pop or whatever.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 27 October 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

hey vahid, no need to start name calling. i must be dumb though, cuz i can't follow your argument. are you saying that you want to classify Kelley Polar as IDM because 99% of the population won't know any better? are you on a one man crusade to change the perception and accepted definitions of electronic music genres? i'd beg to differ that the masses wouldn't identify the Kelley Polar sound as disco. that's probably the first thing they'd say.

dummy, Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

before we go out for dinner tonight i am gonna play the kelley polar record for my mom and test vahid's hypothesis. (he's otm, btw.)

strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

it's IDM in the same way Bjork is IDM, ha. I'm gonna play it to (a) a bjork/kate bush loving choirboy (b) a joanna newsom loving piano teacher this weekend & see what they think.

etc, Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

also PET SHOP BOYS B-SIDES | ARTHUR RUSSELL | TRAVELOGUE BRANE IN CRASH BODY (OR VICE VERSA), &c&c&c

that nagging vocal bit in "my beauty in the moon" . . . andrew suggested "wood beez" or limahl's neverending story theme, ha.

I love how it's neuromantic but w/out the emotronica quality that the junior boys/superpitcher/&c have - it's so urbane! both baroque/choral AND on a great gatsby jazz age tip! i'd argue that there's no indie in this record's DNA.

etc, Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

(um if vahid still wants to know people's &c&c&c - I'd still rate "miura" & "the rhythm touch" over this, but I find really, really few albums-that-function-as-albums that I like, especially one that seems both self-sufficient/self-contained as this one - it works according to an internal logic, & I can't easily pinpoint/"solve" it. (molars post where he speculates on it's emergent properties is OTM). that the tracks are generally half the length of the 12" recordings helps w/this.)

etc, Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah well it's not fucking idm or broken beat either, and playtesting to fans of those genres would just as swiftly prove that as the not disco test.

wait, I see the point, we've all been hoodwinked! we love broken beat!!!!!

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 October 2005 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

"everything I touch turns to rhythm,
every sound I hear is music,
every night I can't stop dancing,
it's better than, better than, better than...
oooo, oooo, oooo . . .

every song I dance to is magic,
every room I'm in keeps on moving,
when I sleep my dreams are filled with motion
it never gets, never gets, never gets...
oooo, oooo, oooo . . ."

= some of my favourite lyrics of the past few years - the implication & deferment of "you" in the first verse is up there w/phil oakey also avoiding "you" in "love action".

hmmn, possible convergent evolution w/indie - magnetic fields' "all the umbrellas in london"/"rats in the garbage of the western world", if they'd actually sounded like the NY discos stephin merritt has undoubtedly hung out at.

etc, Thursday, 27 October 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

sounds a lot like nick drake to me, the muted vocals, the tunings, the probably-purple shoes

c7n (Cozen), Thursday, 27 October 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

psyche, obv

c7n (Cozen), Thursday, 27 October 2005 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

it's the attention to detail in the production that lend it that Original IDM sound, rather than experimental, intricate rhythms commonly associated with the sound today.
-- biz (b...), October 27th, 2005 10:04 AM.

it's nice to see you have such a nuanced defn of IDM!

vahid (vahid), Friday, 28 October 2005 00:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Does this music sound different if you listen to it as "IDM" and not as "disco" or "pop" or "x"?

Not a trick question! If I ask the same question while listening to Luciano, the answer is "Yes!"

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 28 October 2005 03:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Certainly these different feelings can directly come out in distinctly themed DJ mix. You could frame a Jamie Principle track in a mix and hear it as pop, chicago house, r&b, or new wave.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 28 October 2005 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link

vahid, do you think IDM is compatible with song form?

etc, Friday, 28 October 2005 06:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I like this (the two songs I've heard) more than I did, but the vocals... I do wish they weren't so considered still.

login name (fandango), Friday, 28 October 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Move it on over, Squarepusher!

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 28 October 2005 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

"Beauty in the Moon" reminds me of Prefab Sprout.

Bidfurd__, Friday, 28 October 2005 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I can understand the Junior boys comparison, as both are song-based albums, with multi-layered electronic arrangements. And the style of singing is similar.
But i think the mood is very different in both albums, the sound is less dry, richer and the textures are more interesting. And as for tunes, the songs in the kelley polar album are much catchier. Anyway, i hope that word of mouth on this will be strong. I was not enthusiastic at first because the track on fluxblog "My Beauty on the moon" is very beautiful but i dont think it really represents (from what I have heard) the style of the album... Maybe "In time" would have been a better introduction.
I can see how the singing style can put off some people, but being raised listening to "breathy unaffected" French chanteuse, this is really the singing style that I am into. My favourite singers, from Barney to Erlend Oye always have this "less is more" feeling where we can guess and discover all emotions...

Arnault (arc73hk), Sunday, 30 October 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Could someone YSI a song or two from this? Sounds interesting..

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 30 October 2005 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

There is one at banananutrament.blogspot.com, and another at fluxblog.

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Sunday, 30 October 2005 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Interview and Album Review up on Stylus today.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 14 November 2005 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I still prefer to imagine "Tyurangalila" as a reference to Futurama's Turanga Leela. No matter what he says in the interview. However, the links are still appreciated.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Monday, 14 November 2005 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link

why can't I comment?

re: the comments on the review about the "laziness" of the artwork. They found a cool picture they liked and used it. They didn't know it had been used by the Shalabi Effect, and shockingly didn't know it was used on the insert to a Pearl Jam CD. I don't see why the hard time.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 14 November 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

It's available on Bleep now.

jeffery (jeffery), Monday, 14 November 2005 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

The ten four-minute nocturnes on Love Songs successfully map a path between the introspection of the bedroom and the group ecstasy of the dance floor; between the seemingly insurmountable distance of outer space and the inner space of the dream or the terrestrial space of the country yard

mike powell, 2005

Aphex Twin has continually re-imagined and reinvigorated the minor genre known as intelligent dance music, or I.D.M.—essentially a type of electronica fit for bedroom listening

random slate writer, 2003

The legend was this: Aphex Twin was a mad inventor from Cornwall who built his own synthesisers. Surfing on sine waves, he would lead a pack of young boffins out of the computer screen glow of their bedrooms, into the public domain of clubs, shops, and charts, then back in and out of more bedrooms in a feedback loop of infinite dimensions

david toop, 1994

vahid (vahid), Monday, 14 November 2005 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

use nu-cliches pls

vahid (vahid), Monday, 14 November 2005 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

mark deckard-san scarily prescient in his metro area review for pitchforkmedia

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan, you need to have a login name to post a comment to articles, click over here to get one.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post, a few things: 1. cliches are sturdy and helpful sometimes 2. are those three sentences really saying the same things? 3. I didn't think that sentence was the thrust of the review, though I could have just executed it poorly and 4. is the fact that a cliche was invoked make it any less true of the record? 5. got to brush up on my critic-speak, I guess (shameful).

mike powell (mike powell), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I really love this album, I think this has brought my girlfriend and I closer, and kate bush has hepled as well.

Jacobs (LolVStein), Sunday, 20 November 2005 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link

"I once got onto the elevator at Juilliard wearing a full NASA jumpsuit, on my way from the electronic music studios to the concert hall, where I was to preimere a piece I had written concerning a dialogue between aliens and humans (the aliens, of course, have chosen to communicate using the most universally-accepted means: namely, the viola). The elevator descended a floor and the late Dorothy DeLay, possibly the most beloved and famous violin teacher of the late 20th century, entered. I stood there holding my space helmet in one hand and a jet black MIDI viola in the other and subjected myself to her baleful stare. Now I'm sure she was a great teacher and everyone always said how much they loved her, but the look she gave me! Yikes! I have never felt such scorn. (sighs)"

the interview up at http://www.kelleypolar.com/press/press1.html is k-grebt! he pretty much wishes he was AQUAMAN!
also, this album is still fantastic.

etc, Sunday, 20 November 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

vahid's post makes zero sense to me.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 20 November 2005 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Vahid as has been happening quite often recently I can see where you're coming from but it still feels like yr making a huge big deal over some really quite slight and coincidental resonances, like a fortune teller getting excited because I dreamed about a cat and then saw a cat on the street the next day.

Uniting (or negotiating the space between) the bedroom and the dancefloor is a cliche, but it's a building block cliche for pretty much any dance music which is not marketed directly as "club fare", and I think you're actually making the same point (negatively) when you say that this record is not dance music or pop music, but IDM (which implies all sorts of things about how this music might or might not be useful and useable).

I tend to bristle at the suggestion that "club" music isn't really suitable for private use in a home setting, but I can't deny that when I listen to it at home my enjoyment comes from imagining responding to it in a club setting (and, if no-one can see, perhaps acting that out a bit). Whereas there is other music whose relative gentleness/spaciness/quietude etc. seems not only more suitable for bedtime use, but also more suitable for imagining "the inner space of the dream or the terrestrial space of the country yard" - it's almost as if I'm in my bedroom listening to this music and imagining being in my bedroom and listening to this music, only in a way more romantic than any fly-on-the-wall camera in my room would actually pick up.

The issue with this cliche is how sensitively it's used: is it applied unthinkingly, uncritically, prejudicially to one side (usually the dancefloor), sloppily, boringly, or in a way that seems to bear no relationship to the record being discussed?

I can't tell any of that from the quote from Mike's piece. It's a little bit purple prosish yes, but less so than I would probably be if trying were I to try to make the same point...

I still haven't heard this record BTW, but from what everyone has said I can imagine enjoying it more than the Metro Area CD simply because it sounds like it has fuller, lusher melodies. With Metro Area I find myself returning to the "big hits" - "Miura", "Caught Up", "Strut", "Pina" - and often skipping over that long spell of disco minimalism that characterises the middle part of the record.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 20 November 2005 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

this sounds nothing like the cover artwork!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

What did you imagine it would sound like based on the cover artwork?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link

this is the album AFX has been meaning to make for years! autechre's new track has leaked and it's IDM-HOUSE-TASTIC! larry heard was just here and he played an entire set of undiscoverd IDM classics, like Mr. Fingers - Can U Feel It and Jaydee - Plastic Dreams!

IDM is back bitches!

biz, Tuesday, 22 November 2005 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe more lush. like goo and rock.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

i know i'm going to like it (eventually) for not sounding like the cover artwork.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link


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