The Replacements: Classic or Dud?

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but I do think there's so much 80's rock politics caught up in talking about the Replacements that it's hard to hear them with clean ears

Yeah, anyone remember the Musician cover story circa Don't Tell a Soul? The cover line was something like "The Last Great Rock'n'Roll Band" or something ridiculous like that. I was a massive fan at the time (OK, I still am), but even to me it seemed silly.

BUT...I think they get sold down the river by some people because of all that. They were a lot funnier, smarter and weirder than that whole earnest-romantic-rocker tag gives them credit for. Hootenanny covers more ground in less time than almost anything I can think of, and somehow manages to drop "Within Your Reach" right in the middle, and "Let It Be" is likewise full of left turns. "Tim" and "PTMM" are more conventional "rock" records, obviously, but they're not that conventional, and they're loaded down with track-by-track good-to-great songs. And if you're looking for a Twin Cities guy to lump Westerberg with, I think Craig Finn's a much better match than Bob Mould.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 27 August 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Absolutely. That's why I love em so: their ability to switch from really desperate angst ridden romantic stuff, to stoopid, silly humour the next. To go from Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out to the glorious Androgynous or from the shameless let's-rip-off-not-one-not-two-but three-Beatles-tunes of Mr Whirly to Witihin Your Reach takes a special kind of genius.

Stew (stew s), Saturday, 27 August 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Joan Jett apparently does "Androgynous" in concert. I would like to hear that.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 27 August 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

What ever happened to Tim Baier anyway?

donut gon' nut (donut), Saturday, 27 August 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish I'd heard Sixteen Blue when I was sixteen

OTM. this song blows me away every time...

stevie (stevie), Sunday, 28 August 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Hootenanny is sounding better than ever to me these days. I've always felt that was one of their inferior records overall next to Sorry Ma, Let It Be, even Tim...but it's really sinking into me now for some reason, flawed as it may be.

I just wish sometimes that I could exorcise the Replacements out of me once and for all. If I could just UNDERSTAND what the hell they did, and then finally let them go. But I continue to try to unravel the mystery, fascinated, spellbound. Well aware of their flaws.

I saw them live in 1985, but I was too young to even understand how important they would seem later.

Mr. Whirly, Please Don't Call Me (Bimble...), Saturday, 10 September 2005 06:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Hootenanny has grown on me over the years to become my favorite 'mats record. Loose, flawed, sloppy, funny, heartbreaking.

Gotta also mention "Swinging Party" in the same breath. What a great song. Mabye it's 'cause I lived in Mpls in my 20s, but those echoey plaintive vox take me right back to the grey streets, sometime after the leaves have dropped and before the first frost.

declan zimmerman, Saturday, 10 September 2005 06:22 (nineteen years ago) link

How could I have missed this thread?

I honestly cannot imagine anyone saying "dud" to this band. Sure, their last, oh, two albums were largely shite (though I still adore "Anywhere's Better Than Here" on Don't Tell A Soul), but everything else if fuckin' gold. Yeah, they unwittingly begat a slew of shitty bands like the Goo Goo Dicks and the so forth, but y'know...what'cha gonna do.

"Take Me to the Hospital" on Hootenanny is also, by the way, fucking perfect.

Great, unteathered, shambolic, genius rock'n'roll with personality and attitude galore. Don't like it? Go listen to Mariah Carey then, you cheese-addicted twits!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 10 September 2005 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

CLASSIC CLASSIC CLASSIC you are an idiot if you disagree/ just listen to the album "let it be" CLASSIC CLASSIC CLASSIC

(from my new album "WAIT they dont love you like i love you")

JD from BEYOND LIQUORDOME, Saturday, 10 September 2005 06:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I've had "I'll Be You" stuck in my head out of nowhere for the past three days. I haven't heard it since I was six, but my parents used to have the cassette single for it.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 10 September 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

And it's still the only Replacements song I'm familiar with.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 10 September 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I will defend Pleased to Meet Me to the death.

A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic. It is the case, though, that Westerberg was a better singer while (at least slightly) drunk.

M. V. (M.V.), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

He's drinking again. Smashed in NY last spring. Two nights, and like the mythical olde days, one was drunk 'n' sloppy, the other professional.

A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I've had "I'll Be You" stuck in my head out of nowhere for the past three days. I haven't heard it since I was six, but my parents used to have the cassette single for it.

I'm usually immune to the "makes me feel old" syndrome, because I'm pretty aware of my age and comfortable with it and I know everyone's experience is relative and subjective and whatever. But still, someone's parents having a cassingle of "I'll Be You"...makes me feel old.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 10 September 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I will defend Pleased to Meet Me to the death.

Yeah in retrospect I felt bad I didn't mention that one in my post. I meant it no disrespect.

Mr. Whirly, Please Don't Call Me (Bimble...), Saturday, 10 September 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Polite version: Ian, I do dearly hope the album Let It Be will cross your path someday. I believe most would agree it is their best.

Honest version: For god's sakes, man what are you waiting for? GET your arse down to a shop NOW! You've got hurricanes down there in Florida, you can't afford to take these kinds of risks! ;)

The thought of cassingles alone makes me feel old.

Mr. Whirly, Please Don't Call Me (Bimble...), Saturday, 10 September 2005 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

On a side note, the songwriting credit on "Mr. Whirly" ("Mostly Stolen") would all by itself qualify them classic.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 10 September 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

It's a knockoff of The Beatles "Oh, Darling," innit? Did they have to share the credit, like Neil Innes and the Rutles?

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 10 September 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Knockoff of "Oh Darling" and "The Twist," w/ the intro to "Strawberry Fields."

Their early liner notes were all classic. Sorry Ma features the immortal "written 20 mins after we recorded it."

Westerberg's notes to his recent solo best-of are similarly funny, though significantly crankier.

A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Saturday, 10 September 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

"Bob's lead is hotter than a urinary tract infection."

xero, Saturday, 10 September 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, of course, Alex, I forgot about those other parts. I just replugged in my turntable, so now that it is within my reach, I should probably play some of those old lps.

xero, stop using your ears as ... oh, never mind.

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 10 September 2005 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

That is an excerpt from Westerberg's deathless prose in the Sorry Ma liner notes. My ears remain inviolate.

xero, Saturday, 10 September 2005 23:58 (nineteen years ago) link

When I got my Sorry Ma... LP, it didn't have the liner notes for some reason, but everybody was always quoting them- "Make up your own words- we did!"

k/l (Ken L), Sunday, 11 September 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I like a Replacements song! I just tracked down the identity of a song I've had on tape for ancient years and it is "Treatment Bound."

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 15 October 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

We're goin' NO where
quick as we know how
We're goin' NO where
treeaat-mint BOUND

xero (xero), Saturday, 15 October 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Yesterday's trash... too boooored to thrash

A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Sunday, 16 October 2005 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

First thing we do when we finally pull up
get SHYEEEIT FACED drunk, try to...SOBER UP
SECOND THING WE DO IS WALK AROUND!
don't do the job or tryta HOLD one down

xero (xero), Sunday, 16 October 2005 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, I think I'm gonna have to pull the fucking thing out now. Thanks Rockist_Scientist.

Incidentally: Classic, for Sorry Ma, Stink, and Hootenanny, plus bits of Let It Be, Tim,, and Pleased to Meet Me.

xero (xero), Sunday, 16 October 2005 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link

God bless you for this thread, R_S, I haven't listened to "All Shook Down" in many years.

Lukas (lukas), Sunday, 16 October 2005 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
ha ha! this is funny. are they "classic" or not? ha ha! what do you mean, "classic"? "classic" like foghat? i started reading the responses, but just couldn't get through them all.

when westerberg meets his fans, some of them go up to him smiling, and leave wiping their eyes. this usually happens because of how deeply, personally his music touched their lives. i've never seen anything like it before in my life.

let it be, motherfuckers.

scooterboy, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got 40 or 50 of their bootlegged live shows and no two are the same. They were so unpredictable. One night you would get tight, kick ass rock N roll with heartfelt lyrics and the next night you would have them doing somersaults onstage and spewing beer into the crowd while butchering covers they learned backstage before the show.
You get the idea.

They are a classic band who wrote mostly brilliant songs with great lyrics. What more is there?

TomT, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 23:54 (eighteen years ago) link

A reason to play their albums again? (Which I haven't had for some years now.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Uhhh, what reason do you have to play your other albums?

I mean, I know my finger quivers with existential angst just before it hits the "play" button, but I would like to hear of your experiences.

subgenius (subgenius), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 07:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Tell me 'bout the city ordinance
Tell me that we're insubordinate

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:17 (eighteen years ago) link

For me the Replacements are the definition of rock music.

Stephen C (ihope), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 11:25 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
I like 'em. "I Will Dare" is such a ripoff of "I'm Only Sleeping," though.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 20 April 2006 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

the name of the album that appears on is kinda a giveaway

A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Thursday, 20 April 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Revolver ?

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(ha)

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 20 April 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

i just realized how awesome "something to du" is when it popped up on shuffle the other day!

Delivering noise
Real tough boys
And what else have I got
Half-priced drugs
Stolen guitars
When the weather's hot
It's somethin to du
It's somethin to du

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 20 April 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm convinced that's their best album.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 20 April 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I know it's my favorite. That or Stink.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 20 April 2006 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm gonna burn myself a CD of both of those.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 20 April 2006 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

c'mon guys -- the contrarian best mats album is hootenanny.

A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Friday, 21 April 2006 00:38 (eighteen years ago) link

how contrarian!

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 21 April 2006 01:49 (eighteen years ago) link

not so much.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 21 April 2006 02:29 (eighteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
not sure the genesis of this, but there's a really good 1981 show up on youtube. start here and follow the linx. they sound tight! what is tommy, like 14?

tipsy mothra, Monday, 16 April 2007 08:07 (seventeen years ago) link

(aha it's from this.)

tipsy mothra, Monday, 16 April 2007 08:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I love it when other people revive Replacements threads so I don't have to.

Bimble, Monday, 16 April 2007 08:50 (seventeen years ago) link

has anyone mentioned the classicness of the song ' customer'....everytime i hear it i wonder why there are'nt mroe songs about being in love with the girl who works in the shop down the road

grap-fu, Monday, 16 April 2007 12:01 (seventeen years ago) link


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