Anticipate Ghostface's "Apollo Kids"

seriously, deej, as much as you make fun of corny indie fuxxors your constant instistance that 'street rap' is the only worthy shit out there is worse than a vivalavinyl poster calling cornball on In The Red Records or something. You have that street-level, under-underground, losing-my-edge obsessions of metal dudes who wanna be kvlt, but just replace like Bone Awl records with Alley Boy

in short, Dilla is dope, stfu

I first owned Fishscale as a download, which I listened to for months without seeing credits. I just loved it because almost every track offered a beat or a rhyme I wasn't expecting. I hadn't heard TPTA though, and in hindsight it's probably better, but I don't know what Pete Rock and DOOM had to do with my love in the first place.

seriously, deej, as much as you make fun of corny indie fuxxors your constant instistance that 'street rap' is the only worthy shit out there is worse than a vivalavinyl poster calling cornball on In The Red Records or something. You have that street-level, under-underground, losing-my-edge obsessions of metal dudes who wanna be kvlt, but just replace like Bone Awl records with Alley Boy

― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 11:53 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dont do this u idiot

you obviously pay zero attention to my writing or posts if u think thats what im about

it's really not that complicated. Ghostface made a record, Fishscale, with a bunch of well-known and well-loved producers. Everybody brought their A-game, and a lot of people liked the results (although not, incidentally, as many people as bought Supreme Clientele, and not as many as bought Ironman). There is really no mystery here. The implication that stans somehow adore the album simply because those producers names are on it and not because they actually enjoy the songs is just strawmanning bullshit.

xp

& i know more of dilla's catalog & have been listening to him longer than your bandwagon azz, xps to whiney

it's really not that complicated. Ghostface made a record, Fishscale, with a bunch of well-known and well-loved producers. Everybody brought their A-game, and a lot of people liked the results (although not, incidentally, as many people as bought Supreme Clientele, and not as many as bought Ironman). There is really no mystery here. The implication that stans somehow adore the album simply because those producers names are on it and not because they actually enjoy the songs is just strawmanning bullshit.

xp

― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 11:57 AM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nah i just think stans are willing to put up w/ mediocre product from their favorite brand names

& i know more of dilla's catalog & have been listening to him longer than your bandwagon azz, xps to whiney

― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 12:57 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ORLY?

I hadn't heard TPTA though, and in hindsight it's probably better

wait wait alf didn't u tear me a new one when i was new here for saying stylus was mad herbish for rating fishscale over supreme clientele?

i mean, fishscale is so all-over-the-place sonically, the only thing uniting pete rock, doom & dilla is audience -- certainly there are few sonic similarities. it makes the record disjointed, and even tho there are some excellent tracks (like 'back like that' which again would make more sense on pretty toney) the sum is less than the individual parts.

the only thing uniting pete rock, doom & dilla is audience

rmde

wait wait alf didn't u tear me a new one when i was new here for saying stylus was mad herbish for rating fishscale over supreme clientele

I think I remember, sure. In my case I def listen to Fishscale more often.

ORLY?

― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 11:58 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well u certainly werent posting in steve spacek threads when i was iirc

i wasn't on ilx back in the days when you were still picking the ticks of ethan's ballsack

deej i wish i could be as 1337 as u have always been ;_;

i thought fishscale was just the best marketed of the 2000s ghost records? at least that why all the "herbs" i know like it.

anyway what were we talking abt

nah i just think stans are willing to put up w/ mediocre product from their favorite brand names

impugning someone's enthusiasm as not being genuine = nagl

will concede deej's point that Fishscale is disjointed, altho one man's disjointed is another's versatility (and weren't you complaining about Ghost's schtick being tired just a few posts ago? again, MAKE SENSE MAN)

you criticize him for being too predictable/boring but then you hold Fishscale's variety against him wtf

i wasn't on ilx back in the days when you were still picking the ticks of ethan's ballsack

― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 12:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what does ethan have to do w/ steve spacek

impugning someone's enthusiasm as not being genuine = nagl

― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 12:05 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ppl do that on here all the time

the only thing uniting pete rock, doom & dilla is audience

rmde

― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 12:00 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hey, more evidence whiney has no clue what hes talking about

ppl do that on here all the time

if everyone else jumped off a cliff etc

again dude NAGL

at the very least it's just a poor tack to take because there's no way to prove/disprove it.

that commix steve spacek track in rev's pretentious r&b thread is real nice. (i should have posted jose james - code to that thread)

and i dont think they make sense as tracks that 'fit' ghost's style either

― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:46 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U23NbfDMBaI

is part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDFIFfsqWIs

and part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esVEocL5uWg

and totally fits imo.

also dilla, doom and pete rock totally rock a similar style, wtf deej. pete rock was an obvious influence on that dilla *sloppy* and open style, which doom took to the extreme (listen to something like 'tick, tick' or 'a dead mouse'). not exactly a surprise that madlib has worked with 2/3 - well afaik he hasn't worked w/ pete rock

obvi theyre not totally unrelated im just saying that whats corny about it is the same as what was corny about every major label rap record in 2005 having a salih williams track w/ paul wall, a jazze pha track, a soul-sampling track, a neptunes track etc .... its like the indie version of production credits by comittee

i don't think the record is disjointed at all though Rock/Dilla/Doom all sort of have a "recorded to cassette tape" vibe to their tracks on this; and the other stuff (save Back Like That) is tense, short loops. The whole record has kind of a "listening to a noir Marley Marl on shitty walkmen speakers" vibe that i love (no chillbro)

I mean disjointed in the sense that the beats are pretty varied - the sound of the album varies pretty widely from track to track. although the same could be said of Supreme Clientele.

Ghostdini and Pretty Toney are the two that really have front-to-back consistent production styles.

and like if Ghost WAS jumping on the doom/dilla bandwagon, he was the only real major label guy doing it at the time, so it's not really like "OHG WE GOTTA GET DRIZZY ON THIS" shit bbbbangladeshhh

Ghostdini and Pretty Toney are the two that really have front-to-back consistent production styles.

well and Ironman obviously

and like if Ghost WAS jumping on the doom/dilla bandwagon, he was the only real major label guy doing it at the time, so it's not really like "OHG WE GOTTA GET DRIZZY ON THIS" shit bbbbangladeshhh

― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 1:33 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

he barely counts as being on a major any more. hes in the def jam tax break category and has been since this record

i don't think the record is disjointed at all though Rock/Dilla/Doom all sort of have a "recorded to cassette tape" vibe to their tracks on this; and the other stuff (save Back Like That) is tense, short loops. The whole record has kind of a "listening to a noir Marley Marl on shitty walkmen speakers" vibe that i love (no chillbro)

― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 1:31 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so do tons & tons of rap records though. theres nothing special about the presentation here.

the special part is that its fucking ghostface who is an awesome rapper

SC, pre-sample clearance BP Wallets and Pretty Toney all have really unique thematic vibes to them. fishscale by comparison feels like half pretty toney b sides and half 'respectable' production from 'respected' beatmakers. its like tailor-made for passion of the weiss year-end lists. ironman is also fairly choppy & all-over-the-place thematically, but it benefits from having some of the best rap songs ever made & featuring wu at their hungriest

the special part is that its fucking ghostface who is an awesome rapper

― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 1:42 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

exactly, its a sub-par gfk album

its like tailor-made for passion of the weiss year-end lists.

here you go again with this.

i think the thematic elements on Fishscale are "coke" and "emotions"—both of which are played out beautifully by tense, nailbiting productions

SC, pre-sample clearance BP Wallets and Pretty Toney all have really unique thematic vibes to them.

I honestly don't see how SC is somehow more coherent/consistent in its themes than Fishscale. like, be specific, cuz I have no idea where you draw that conclusion from.

sell it on ebayyy!

tense, nailbiting

lol, i love it when deej pulls together two completely out of context phrases to prove a "point"

also what is the theme of BP Wallets? that record is all over the place! (I haven't heard the pre-sample clearance version and have no idea how to even find it, that's the kind of thing that disappears quick)

u can pick up the uncleared tracks, that's the way to go

its like tailor-made for passion of the weiss year-end lists.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mJmwQtPmusk/SfYZ1cjoTRI/AAAAAAAADwI/MRWQ9zahPKY/s400/strawman2.jpg

how is riding true school production vibes not a description of the 'strawman' that is a specific site w/ specific tastes

u can pick up the uncleared tracks, that's the way to go

well the Sun and the Watch both appeared on Put It On the Line... are there others?

yeah there are a few more, flowers is one

its true-school vibes on a decidedly new-school record