― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link
wtf
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link
as does run-dmc ... and public enemy ... and dmx ... and jay-z ... and outkast ...
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link
And Conor Oberst?
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― tolstoy (tolstoy), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link
haha cuz ya know indie/white hip hop has sooo many different themes!
1) We're not "commercial bling bling" rappers2) We have feelings3) Bush sucks4) The Twin really need to increase their run production if they have any hope of catching the White Sox in the division5) It sucks that Firefly got cancelled6) Have you tried that new Coca-Cola Zero? It tastes almost the same!
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link
He'll love Akon then.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link
Man, have you heard the narrative in most Rock/Pop? This is not philosophy.
― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 27 June 2005 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lukas (lukas), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link
wtf.
― deej.., Monday, 27 June 2005 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― deej.., Monday, 27 June 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― deej.., Monday, 27 June 2005 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stoner Guy, Monday, 27 June 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― That One Guy (That One Guy), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link
1997, median household income of the second-lowest quintile was around $22k. I'm guessing Em's mom didn't clear that. So yeah, most Americans came from slightly plusher circumstances than Eminem.
― Lukas (lukas), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― deej.., Monday, 27 June 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lukas (lukas), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link
choice cut from the Fresh Prince: "Black radio, they won't play me though," he raps in one song. "Guess they think that Will ain't hard enough. Maybe I should just have a shootout ... just ignorant, attacking, acting rough. I mean then, will I be black enough?"
― Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 27 June 2005 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― -rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link
-- Banana Nutrament (straightu...), June 27th, 2005 3:16 PM. (ghostface) (link)
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yeah I thought that was wierd! -- M@tt He1geson (matt@game[remove]informer.com), June 27th, 2005 3:18 PM. (Matt Helgeson) (link)
I'm just saying that, given the choice between The Chronic and Master of Puppets, I'd probably take Metallica every day of the week because that's just how I'm wired. It's not a race thing. It's a sound thing.
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― deej.., Monday, 27 June 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― tonyD (noiseyrock), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link
Rather, it's that such listeners are only meaningfully exposed to (and thus turned on to) hip hop which the indie/alternative structure as a whole has decided to endorse. It was, I think, impossible to have a passing interest in alt. rock throughout the 90s without coming across much praise of the Beastie Boys as trailblazers, but it would be comparatively easy to effectively ignore the existence of 2Pac etc. This insofar as, for many listeners, mainstream radio play is treated as little more than background noise, but the recommendations of friends, college radio DJs and certain magazines count for a great deal.
There seems to be a rebuttable presumption enforced by this structure of endorsement that whiteness is a prima facie sign of good values and innovation. This can be overcome both ways - ie. white people can be kicked out and black people can be invited in, but they have to make an extra special effort on both sides. Bubba Sparxxx is not part of the club because all of his associations are distasteful (a fat hick who talks about sex as crudely as any black gangsta rapper!) but Michael Franti is because he has good old fashioned uni leftist politics, flirts with rock/soul/etc. and uses live instruments (The Roots and Andre 3000 have been issued guest passes for similar reasons).
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 02:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.theroot.com/blogs/dig/joaquin-phoenix-rap-career-rumored-be-bull
Here's my question: why do people continue to use black culture as a place to play and get their kicks? There are some serious hip hop artists out there [Lupe Fiasco, etc], plunging deep into their souls and culture, posing questions about our times, and helping reshape the consciousness of a generation. Even the so-called "bling-rappers" are attempting to articulate the reality or pursuit of a consumer-rich life. But some whites [and others] think it's cool-beans to mock the art form by placing themselves in it and showing the world how horribly they understand or absorb it. Who cares! Why is there a platform for this? Why do some whites continue to think mocking blackness is a way to make a buck or get attention? I know this is a bit extreme, maybe, but it's a form of blackface. Yeh, I said it. Blackface. If the rumor is true [and I'm sure it is] I'm disappointed in Joaquin. Here's some advice for Joaquin and others like him: Play somewhere else! Blackface is passe!
― and what, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link
[Lupe Fiasco, etc] solid username material
― bnw, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Has there been a thread on this subject yet?
― bnw, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:12 (fifteen years ago) link
i thought the beat on that one joaquin joint was aight
― crackers is biters (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 30 January 2009 16:27 (fifteen years ago) link
some white people might be saying that. or they might just be more receptive something that is more in tune with white culture. ie. eminem as opposed to say, redman or whoever.
― uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 30 January 2009 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link
― Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene),
― better than 10 superbowls! (PappaWheelie V), Friday, 30 January 2009 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link
If I identify with Redman moreso than Eminem, does that mean I am black?
― The Reverend, Saturday, 31 January 2009 03:56 (fifteen years ago) link
"plunging deep into their souls and culture"
― nicky lo-fi, Saturday, 31 January 2009 05:22 (fifteen years ago) link
back before I registered here I would read threads like this all the way through and wonder what I would say if given the opportunity.
― james k polk, Saturday, 31 January 2009 05:43 (fifteen years ago) link
"If I identify with Redman moreso than Eminem, does that mean I am black?"
im not sure im too concerned. either way, you cant overlook the fact that eminems 'white' take on rap is what got him over to so many people who probably wouldnt like redman.
― p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 1 February 2009 11:16 (fifteen years ago) link
now is your chance, james k polk
― dugong.jpg (jabba hands), Sunday, 1 February 2009 11:27 (fifteen years ago) link
I have never met one of these people, have you?
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 1 February 2009 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Does Redman still live in that duplex with his cousins crashing on the first floor and the money jar to buy groceries with?
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 1 February 2009 18:18 (fifteen years ago) link
There's much more to Beck and TV On The Radio musically than just hip-hop (I mean, hip-hop is just one out of several influences), but white people who dislike rap and are heavily into Eminem and Beastie Boys you may wonder about.
― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 1 February 2009 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link
http://i43.tinypic.com/29pbyuo.jpg
― TACO BIZZLE (The Reverend), Sunday, 1 February 2009 22:21 (fifteen years ago) link
http://mikedoesthings.com/?attachment_id=45
― nakhchivan, Monday, 1 August 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link
irish
potato originated in Peru fyi
fuckin white people...
― I saw Mike Love walk by a computer once (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 September 2011 22:55 (Yesterday)
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Thursday, 15 September 2011 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link
White people even say, "Pete Rock is bitchin"
Like Tito, white kids think I'm neato
(J Ro on "Pass Out")
any more of these?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
his forte causes caucasians to say
― symsymsym, Saturday, 17 September 2011 03:56 (thirteen years ago) link
it comes down to how much people associate a group's image with whether they like them or not
i don't wanna say i'm "above image", but i can succesfully ignore a lot of what a band/group/whatever "stands for" and appreciate them on a musical level. dudes who only listen to beastie boys still prolly can't shake this.
― Hullo, I'm Jon Moss (kelpolaris), Sunday, 18 September 2011 05:15 (thirteen years ago) link
my guess is beastie boys-only fans prefer the music from their more boorish days, so problematic image doesn't seem a likely culprit.
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 18 September 2011 05:24 (thirteen years ago) link
"to white boys I'm rad"
--Pismo, "Artform"
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 October 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
i dont think there's anything wrong with liking the Beasties but not really being a hip-hop fan - the Beasties aren't really like anyone else out there
― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Rafaua3D__w/Td8Uzr3XPSI/AAAAAAAAEYg/0lcWqQvG4F0/s1600/thinking+frog.jpg
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 7 October 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link