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I've only played it once so far but I didn't mind "Bronx Tale", not just because I like brit-hop but also because it feels like a lookback thing not a 'future' thing, coming just after "Ghetto", it's a nod back to an older kind of music. The other thing that really jumped out at me was the Lethal B one, it made me laugh and I wasn't expecting a sex rhyme so it surprised me too.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

anyone see the grime primer in the new rolling stone?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

all the tunes are old so don't bother get no one to dub it for you, lots of great stuff but you've heard it before. it's all about the dvd. you need to see the dvd, dti video is jokes, crazy titch is magnetic, ruff squad keep doing flying kicks, wiley's good value, d.e.e's got a big motorbike so on and so forth. it's not exactly expensive.

― luke''', Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

anyone see the grime primer in the new rolling stone?

That's "grimy," pal, not grime.

― Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:10 (twenty years ago) link

the sharky and stormin track is too slow, when they do those lyrics over other beats they sound much better. the kano freestyle is big.
jess is overreacting to bronx tale, its quite nice and i LOVE dm, great voice. the track with kano('been around since master system'), trigg and myth is great, haven't actually heard that one before.

― luke'''', Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

and the dizzee track was getting a lot of play well before the album dropped, well, before i luv u dropped as it goes, should have been on the album, much better than the vast majority of tunes on boy in the corner.
fuck ambrose is total nutbag sick in the head- 'blast you' is total classic

― luke''', Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

haha, yr right andy. a friend wrote that, and i kinda felt embarrassed for him.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago) link

haha of course i'm overreacting. but then again, having lived through 1994, i have plenty of records that sound like dj premier dat's left behind the radiator for a few months and not so many tracks that sound like, say, lyrical combat or that kano freestyle.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago) link

yup yup, fair enough...
but considering it doesn't use samples it's not that much like premo anyway. premo would run a mile if he saw a drum machine, et alone fruity or logic or something.

― luke''', Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

true true

(he sure is a handy straw man tho)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

who else has seen the dvd then?

target mix cd out in about 2 weeks.

― lukr'''', Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:17 (twenty years ago) link

I'm waiting for my copy, looking forward to the DVD.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:27 (twenty years ago) link

just reading back. it looks like i said
fuck ambrose
well i did say that
but you have to read it right
the fuck is an exclamation, an expression of disbeleif
fuck, ambrose is a nutbag.
just thought i'd clear that up since i'v been offnding people left right and centre recently.

― lukr''''', Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:34 (twenty years ago) link

Haha! so what's on this Target mix, Luka? And who's releasing it?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago) link

urrr, dunno, have to admit to being totally ignorant on this. maybe riko's chosen one track will be on there, cos i'd bet twenty pound thats target on production. i just mention it cos he's a lot of people's favourite producer. even guys like martin clark who don't like the MC stuff like target so, i'm just saying, keep an eye out. he's probably putting it out himself.

― '''', Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:50 (twenty years ago) link

"Chosen One" is a Target production. The idea of a Target mix-cd makes me very hot and bothered.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

Although Luke's comments confirm my fears re: his looming respectability.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

Heh heh. There could be (if there isn't already) a great study to be made of the (perceived?) problems of native UK urban styles going respectable, however defined, over the last fifteen years or so.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:05 (twenty years ago) link

I really hope that – unlike Jammer with The Nasty Crew – Target can remain within the confines of Pay As U Go Kartel. Partly because – Dizzee and Wiley aside – he’s probably most vulnerable to being swept up by the general media and being transformed into an “intelligent grime” producer, on account of the unabashed emotionalism and clean lines of his production style. He largely avoids grime’s trademark abrasiveness – something frequent production partner Danny Weed is more adept at providing – and his tracks have a greater resemblance than most to the delicate friskiness of 2-step (though this cuts both ways: check his “Earthwarrior (Remix)” for some ferocious woodchopper beats a la London Dodgers’ “Down Down Bizznizz”).

Far better that Target use these qualities to remain grime’s foremost pop producer, ie. more The Deepest Cut, less The Haunted Science. I’d hate for his tunes to lose their loveable winsomeness, but more importantly I’d hate for him to drift away from the big MC numbers that are inevitably his best work. “Pick Yourself Up (Remix)” and the martian beauty of “Chosen One” both illustrate how astonishing grime-pop at its best can be, compressing layers of different feelings into small boxes of tightly wound energy and intensity.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:14 (twenty years ago) link

that little rant is from a forthcoming blogpost btw

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:14 (twenty years ago) link

Tim, are there any mixes or streaming shows that showcase this less abrasive sound?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

Some of the recent Femme Fatale/Mack 10/Kano set has that sound, and as I said above, it finishes with "So Sure", which i still love (is it out yet?).

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah Femme Fatale absolutely loves Target, she played "Pick Yourself Up" and "Chosen One" heaps and "Gemini" and "Earthwarrior (Remix)" a fair bit. But it's mixed in with other grime, 4/4, old skool etc. etc. I'm aware of no online show or mix that focuses on it exclusively, although I imagine a Target mix-cd would fill that gap admirably. It's pretty much his schtick.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:28 (twenty years ago) link

Has "Chosen One" had a proper release? It's got a fair bit of crossover potential, IMO.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:30 (twenty years ago) link

Ooooooh, listening to the current 1Xtra: Pirate Session with Cameo and just heard "So Sure"! It's spine-tingling!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

listening to the wiley album sampler/single/whatever it is (problems/what do you call it?/mins) for the first time. problems is great, i don't recognise it, light and summery. mins is an instrumental, i'm pretty sure i recognise it, but i'm too tired to place it now.

more about this tomorrow no doubt.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago) link

problems is so much better than what do you call it? that it just isn't true.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago) link

I still kind of "What Do You Call It?".

Is there a release date for "Skating On Thin Ice" yet?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

kind of like

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone heard the J Da Flex session with NASTY, Ruff Sqwad, and Boyz N Da Hood? I'd check it, but I'm at work.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

By the looks of things, thee's not a lot of new stuff on there, but there's a Terra Danjah track called "Love Is Here To Stay".

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

for the first time ever my flatmate likes a grime tune!! "problems", in fact, because "it's not angry".

the background tune in problems is v similar to my favourite dub that used to get played on the last few roll deep shows on rinse.

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 7 February 2004 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

LOTD 2 arrived today - I am now watching "A Day With Wiley" and totally, totally losing it.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 01:11 (twenty years ago) link

Fast shipping to Cali from West London, I should say. Nice one!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

that's excellent! now we can talk about it and make everyone jealous enough to go out and buy a copy! (if you didn't like it just pretend you did, to make me happy!)

my favourite bits
1)wiley and jammer go to the urban music conference. wiley saus to camera
'now, let's find some yoots and make them clash'
they find the yoots and make them clash. they're really good as it goes. i like the one with the big afro and the one in the blue tracksuit and cap who's veins pop out.
2)crazy titch being crazy.
3)wily in the studio with his hats and his trainer collection.
4)ruff squad doing flying kicks and showing off 'the whips'

― luke'''', Sunday, 8 February 2004 11:19 (twenty years ago) link

this sounds amazing. how do i get a copy of the dvd?

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 8 February 2004 13:02 (twenty years ago) link

sounds like you should get it from whereever @dam@l got his. if they can get it to the far side of america that quickly they should be able to get it to glasgow before the sun sets. i payed £15.99 for mine but i walked to the shop and bought it.

other highlights-
skepta and jammer both totally wrecked, jammer on the high-grade, skepta on champagne.
the comedy DTI video.
shifty's hi-top
davinche's afro
doogz' addidas ensemble.

everyone is VERY camera shy and i have to warn you the prodcution values aren't that high, ahem, ok sometimes the interviewees get drowned out by the sound of traffic, ha! but, what do you expect, look what it says on the box
IN DA STREETS FOOTAGE

here's all the people on the DVD
crazy titch, d.e.e, doneao and crew, doogz, east co, essentials, j.me, skepta, more fire, ruff squad (and extended devons road crew) wiley, NAA, and a cameo from davinches afro.

― luke'''', Sunday, 8 February 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link

Cozen I got mine from independance-records.co.uk, it was £15.99 plus not much postage and very quick.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Sunday, 8 February 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

i have to admit it's very weird to see captain rasclaat staring out me 4' X 4' from posters in local stores here in bumfuck...he's just a poor boy a long way from home...

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 February 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

Actually Cozen aren't you coming down to London soonish (or did I miss you?)

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Sunday, 8 February 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

I got mine from Cage Records. Cost the same as Tom's.

Wiley's hats crack me up. Also D Double on his bike, JME, Jammer, and Skepta drinking champagne in the studio for Skepta's birthday. I'm still getting through it all, but it's gold and it makes me homesick for some reason. :( Haven't heard so many London accents for a while...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 16:28 (twenty years ago) link

The best thing is that the whole aesthetic is brilliantly, yeah, not expensive, but there is a warning on the back of the box that says BEWARE OF CHEAP IMITATIONS

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 16:30 (twenty years ago) link

ca you get this from that shop in bethnal green? (I'd like to visit that one of these days).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

Wow, "Problems" is a straight-up pop tune! For some reason, my iTunes has decided that Wiley's genre is "Gay".

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

that's where i got mine from. it's the bow end of Roman though, not the bethnal end, mile end is closer, tube station wise if you know your way around.

― luke'''', Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

thanks.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

wow "problems" is pretty great...so emo! and the little melody running in the background reminds me of something 80s i can't quite place. "what u call it": not so good.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

(thanks luke & tico tico, i'm on it.)

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:57 (twenty years ago) link

oh and yeah i'm in london april 1st - i'll probably pick it up then if the excitement doesn't get the better of me.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 8 February 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

i guess i should get this really, i have too many films to watch at the moment though (it'd be like regle de jeu vs wiley fite!! etc etc.)

i'd love to place problems, as soon as i get 10mins i'll do an mp3 of the dub i'm talking about from the rinse shows last year.

― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 8 February 2004 20:24 (twenty years ago) link

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