Frank Kogan's forthcoming "Real Punks Don't Wear Black"

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Great. I get 8% (but not till the advance gets paid off).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I should just mail $3 and and read the Rolling Teen Pop Thread, shouldn't I?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Bizarrely, though I've known about Frank's book for a few years now, and I got my galley copy maybe six months ago or something, it didn't occur to me until last week that the title is probably a Standells reference. Boy am I slow sometimes.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Chuck, that's a stretch (you're thinking of "Sometimes Good Guys Don't Wear White," I think). "Real Punks Don't Wear Black" is something Leslie once said to me (explained in the Acknowledgements). Of course, the Standells could've been a subconscious influence on her.

Huk-L: Well, if you think of Ashlee as equivalent to the New York Dolls and Kelly Clarkson as equivalent to Iggy, the teenpop thread might work, though I still don't see who would be equivalent to the Kingston Trio. Aly & AJ, maybe?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 00:33 (eighteen years ago) link

"And I will walk a million more to find out what this shit means." AMEN! O FranK. you're so fine!

A Big Fat Chick With A BoomBox, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 01:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I still haven't seen the actual book. Supposedly on the galley proofs and reviewers copies, it has this on the front cover, above my mug shot:

"If Frank Kogan had assembled his writing a decade ago, by samizdat or whatever, it would be a cornerstone by now, read by every current and former teenage malcontent."
--Luc Sante, author of Lowlife: Lures and Snares of Old New York

On the back cover:

"Frank Kogan dares you not to listen to music in the context of your life. He knows that dare is impossible, which in itself puts him head and shoulders above pretty much every other rock critic of the past couple decades."
--Chuck Eddy, music editor, The Village Voice

"Frank is at his intellectual best when annoying academics like me. I would recommend it to students and expect any self-defined 'popular music scholar' to have read it."
--Simon Frith, author of Performing Rites

With relentless analysis and reckless screaming, Frank Kogan has made a career of asking infuriating questions about popular music. A key figure among music critics for his contentious, perceptive writings, Kogan has been contributing to the Village Voice and underground publications since the early 1970s. The first book-length collection of his writing on music and culture, Real Punks Don't Wear Black samples the best of thirty-plus years of essays, reviews, and rants, and also includes new pieces written specifically for this edition.

If you're after no more than backstage dish or a judgement on whether some song is "good" or "bad," then look elsewhere. From the Rolling Stones to the New York Dolls, from Mariah Carey to the Ying Yang Twins, through hip-hop, Europop, disco, and metal, Kogan insists on the hard questions: Our popular music is born in flight, chased by fear, and heading toward unattainable glory, he says. Why is this so? What fears, contagions, divisions are we ignoring that our music cannot?

Remember, says Kogan, this is about you, too. Keep your mind alive, your hairstyle in flux, and your tongue sharpened. Whether you're a gutterpunk or a cultstud geek, you're a bigger part of the story than you realize. It's your ideas that you're hearing on the radio, it's your song that gets sung.

Frank Kogan is the publisher and editor of the fanzine Why Music Sucks. His work has also appeared in the Village Voice, Spin, Radio On, Cometbus, and ilXor.com.

[This might give the impression that I've been writing for the Voice since the early '70s, which isn't true. It also might give the impression that I spell judgment the Brit way. This also isn't true.]

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

UK Amazon, 4-6 weeks:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0820327549/qid=1141232969/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_0_1/202-5996931-4023045

I feel that the "sourcing fee" is some kind of badge of honour.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and the UGA Press Website has this blurb as well:

Doesn't this book at least partly fall into the 'academy is doomed/betrayed' genre (albeit way off on its own wing) vis-à-vis 'closing of the american mind'/'tenured radicals'? Certainly one of the questions it persistently seems to be asking is: 'what is college/knowledge for?' Obviously I think Frank Kogan's answer is a bit different from Allan Bloom's. Isn't it also about restoring the grand ambitions and claims for self of ‘60s rock-crit culture/counterculture: refusing to settle for a specialist niche, whether ivory-tower cultstud thinkage or leisure-industry enablage? (I am somewhat projecting my own dreams and hungers onto it for sure.)
—Mark Sinker, author of if. . . . (BFI Film Classics) and The Rise and Sprawl of Horrible Noise

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link

And this (longer version of what was excerpted above):

Frank Kogan dares you not to listen to music in the context of your life. He knows that dare is impossible, and that in itself puts him head and shoulders above pretty much every other rock critic of the past couple decades. As do his tastes, which are impeccable, even though his format is the farthest thing from a consumer guide. As does the fact that he has more ideas worth stealing than anybody else writing about music; in fact, I kind of hate that this book is coming out, because now everyone will know where I stole all of mine. The book is a mess, full of trap doors, just like the music Frank likes best. He knows none of it is as simple as people pretend.
—Chuck Eddy, Village Voice music editor, and author of The Accidental Evolution of Rock'N'Roll: A Misguided Tour through Popular Music and Stairway to Hell: The 500 Best Heavy Metal Albums in the Universe

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 23:44 (eighteen years ago) link

wait wait, mark s wrote a book called the rise and sprawl of horrible noise??

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it was just this article:

http://web.pitas.com/tashpile/noise1.html

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe to avoid continuning to hijack Frank's thread we should start a new thread on this cluster of topics?

I'm not sure what the heading of this thread should be- maybe "theory and music criticism and embarassment"? / "music criticism and theory and etiquette"? / "don't hate me because i'm theory damaged"? / "vent your frustrations with theory here" / "vent your frustrations with the prevalent anti-theory backlash here"?

It seems like there is a weird transaction going in when "theory" discourse pops up in alt weeklies and reviews and such. Hell, in journalism at all- I just found an article on Heino's farewell tour in The Economist which quoted Adorno and Jello Biafra. And this is the Economist, which, in its political and economic coverage, is as pro-capitalist and pro-business as it gets. So what's with the punk rock singers and ultra-Marxists being raided for juicy quotes about a German folksinger? Clearly this kind of having it both ways (relying on Marxist cultural critique on the entertainment page while carrying on waving the business as usual free market flag on the front page and editorial page) is a handy index of two things:

1) theory is safely dead and non-threatening
2) theory still constitutes a hoard of cultural capital

so how are the two related? What kind of push-pull is in effect when we need Adorno to feel smart about Heino and hip to the way the culture industry works, but we can only do so from this position of total security in our smug sense of the impossibility/ "deadness" of Adorno's own project? Anyway, this is part of what I am interested in, and also could be a way to speak to Susan's concerns and Sterling's observation.

I'm just curious if Drew or anyone ever did start such a thread (if there is one I'd like to see it).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

someone more expert will disagree but adorno isn't exactly a 'storm-the-barricades' kind of guy, barely a marxist, really. of course he's co-optable.

over on the sylvester thread someone calls NS's gaffe 'situationist'.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha! I just got an advance copy in the mail, and in the cover letter I'm told "the remaining balance of your free copies will be mailed to you as soon as the full shipment of books arrives at our warehouse." And "your book should be available for purchase through booksellers in approximately four weeks, which allows time for it to travel through our distribution channels." (Italics added.)

So, the check is in the mail, the dog ate the homework, I won't come in your mouth, etc. etc. etc.

(I got in touch with the marketing and sales director, and he said the book should reach their warehouse by next Wednesday March 8. I will say that the University of Georgia Press has been golden throughout this process, absolutely supportive and willing to take risks, and I'd recommend them to anybody. Furthermore, I tossed them some formatting curveballs plus a whole lot of quoted lyrics that they had to get permission for (and that they were willing to pay for when necessary!). But there were occasional communication problems, and I had no idea there would be a delay, and they screwed up in not warning me of the delay or changing the posted release date on their Website or informing Amazon etc., and I told them so. But college presses are basically indies when you come down to it, and these things happen. (I remember that last year's Fannypack album kept not getting released and not getting released, which made it hard to decide when to run the review.) In the meantime, I'm glad to see "FRANK KOGAN Real Punks Don't Wear Black" sitting spine out on my music shelves in between "Bob Dylan, a Retrospective edited by Craig McGregor" and "The Aesthetics of Rock by R. Meltzer."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link

ah, thanks - I'd been eyeballing the "Availability: This item has not yet been released. You may order it now and we will ship it to you when it arrives" notice.

etc, Friday, 3 March 2006 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Is putting it next to Meltzer a significant choice? I mean, in the unlikely event that someone published a book by me I might well store it next to Sinker, but that would merely be alphabetical (ha, or if I decided to store books in order of the birthday of the writer - please feel free to steal this idea).

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i put my books in attempted order of elective affinity -- when i get the order korrekt the stars will one by one start to wink out

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 March 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

"i think it was just this article" :(

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 March 2006 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

It was alphabetical (but on my select faves shelf, where Dylan had previously been side by side with Meltzer).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 5 March 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

a good 'hood, that

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 6 March 2006 10:05 (eighteen years ago) link

On my shelves, The Church Of Me sits comfortably between Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves To Death and The Greyfriars Holiday Annual 1972.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 6 March 2006 10:17 (eighteen years ago) link

mark's name capitalized looks a little wrong

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Monday, 6 March 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

New official release date for Real Punks Don't Wear Black: March 27, 2006. (But some may get it earlier.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 6 March 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Nyeh, Real Punks don't vear NOTHEENG. (Including Black, ov curse.)

Red Lorre Yellow Lorre, Monday, 6 March 2006 23:50 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Got hardcover version, sits between Frith and Eddy on my other shelf.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Er, I don't know my alphabet, do I? [Reshelves.] Book now resides right of Feel Like Going Home and left of Country Music USA.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I've seen the paperback in a few New York bookstores already.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

When's the bookstore tour Frank? You can stay with ILMers worldwide since the U of GA Press probably can't splurge for hotels.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe we could have an ILX tour, like Lollapalooza, where a bunch of us rent a van and go from city to city, sleeping on people's couches and invading coffee shops and bookstores giving joint readings (books and article, that is, not Tarot cards). There could even be competing ILX tours: the Poptimists Tour, the Rolling Country Extravaganza, the Rolling Teenpop Revue, the Theory And Its Discontents World Cup, and so forth.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Frank, writer and blogger Jessica Hopper actually did such a reading mini-tour last summer with a friend of hers. They drove around from place to place. She set up the reading dates herself and asked folks for leads in setting up appearances.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

FRANK KOGAN HAS A FAN

Frank Kogan's two rock-critic heroes are both Village Voice veterans: Robert Christgau, the self-appointed "Dean of American rock critics," and Chuck Eddy, the wisecracking current music editor. But unlike the writers he emulates, Kogan is piercingly intelligent without ever being pompous, pedantic or inscrutable, as Christgau often is, and Kogan is funny, perverse and contrarian without resorting to shtick or insincerity, as Eddy does. When he makes a wacky claim that Axl Rose and Michael Jackson are the only two "real punks" left on the music scene, he backs it up -- sort of.

Now, Kogan, the former editor of the giddy Why Music Sucks, has compiled his work from his own fanzine as well as the Voice, Spin and numerous other publications in the anthology Real Punks Don't Wear Black (University of Georgia Press, $24.95).

Writes the author: "A piece of music can be many things, often at once: decoration, diversion, distraction, conversation piece, mood enhancer, mood alterer, narrative signal (in the movies), theme song, guide to physical movement (on the dance floor), guide to social interaction (ditto), message to the gods, tool of the gods, mnemonic device, conveyor of lyrics, social bond (sing-alongs), social marker, scene disrupter (blasted out of car windows), self-expression, etc."

In essays about artists ranging from the Ying Yang Twins to the New York Dolls, Mariah Carey to Spoonie Gee, and Bob Dylan to Britney Spears, Kogan is interested in exploring all of the above. And it never fails to be an illuminating and entertaining ride.

- Jim DeRogatis

gear (gear), Friday, 31 March 2006 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

oo, dero talkin' smack.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 1 April 2006 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Divide--and conquer!

The Horizontal Lt., Saturday, 1 April 2006 04:48 (eighteen years ago) link

>without resorting to... insincerity, as Eddy does. <

Moron.

xhuxk, Saturday, 1 April 2006 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

"schtick"

Beta (abeta), Saturday, 1 April 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, but schtick's in the eye of the beholder. So I can't get too pissed about that one.

xhuxk, Saturday, 1 April 2006 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Book came in last week (I guess probably the 27th), picked it up on Saturday (possibly the last special order I'll make at my friendly neighbourhood bookstore, as fnbs-guy sez he'll probably be closed by the summer, and I've still got a mountain of Liebling to get through before I even think about ordering anything else--BOO LANDLORDS), thumbed through it that afternoon, even though I couldn't find a place to sit down in the sun on the first really sunny and really warm day of the year. Then, yesterday, was, I don't know, gripped by it. And read the whole thing. I think I'll have to read it again, since the bulk of it was read under sleepy whatever (finished at 3:30 a.m.), but by that point, I was just, I don't know, SPORT READING.
Kogan is one of the most unselfconsciously selfconscious writer, if that makes any sense. I mean, of course he's self-conscious, because he's writing about HE, but he's also, I don't know, unguarded about it. At first I was like, boy, he sure is obsessed with Junior High, and was beginning to feel as if that stuff was merely there as self-indulgence, and I still think it kinda is, but Junior High is such a central theme that everything else is better because of its inclusion, even if the preamble of RPDWB is nearly half the volume.
Interestingly, I also picked up Wolk's Live at the Apollo book.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 3 April 2006 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link

this book is fucking great. and not just because my name appears on page 216, along with an email frank wrote me four years ago! i was psyched because that was a great email and i lost all my email correspondence from that time period (including about 20 proud highway-esque emails between me and dave q) that i would love to get back.

geeta (geeta), Monday, 3 April 2006 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree completely with Geeta, and my name doesn't appear in it at all.

I was saying to a friend of mine at the weekend, while waving the book excitedly: "it just infects the way you think, you find yourself approaching everything in this Kogan manner."

I was flattering myself.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 3 April 2006 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

oh dogdamn, a friend of mine is receiving his copy today, but i still haven't heard the word from the bookshop i ordered it from. :(

*drools, drools, drools despondently, despondently, exponentially so*

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 3 April 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

STILL not at uga library, i'll probably never get to read this damn thing.

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 3 April 2006 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

How can it not be at UGA (if UGA stands for what I think it stands for) Library of all places in all the world?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 3 April 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

they got that ned sublette cuba book, i'll probably read that. or hammer of the gods again.

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 3 April 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, this is a sweet review, and Jim's fundamentally an enthusiastic good-hearted guy, though I wish he'd get over his Eddy problem.

Anyway, I've got a couple of pedantic points:

(1) I disagree that I am never pompous, pedantic, or inscrutable (nor are such characteristics always flaws)(he says inscrutably).

(2) I don't see how Jim got the idea I've only got 2 rock-critic heroes (perhaps the copy desk shortened "two of Frank Kogan's rock-critic heroes"); the number is more like 200. Not to list them all (I don't come close to listing them all in the Acknowledgements), but note that I actually say on p. 341, "My first rock-critic hero was Ken Emerson." (Emerson's got a new book out about the Brill building; Christgau gave the book a rave.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 3 April 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Many libraries will consider ordering a book if someone requests it: E.g., at the Denver Public Library site, you can click on "Not at DPL? Request it." And they say, "Use this form to request materials that DPL DOES NOT own. Please check the Library Catalog first. We will do our best to satisfy your request by purchasing the item for the DPL collection or by borrowing it from another library."

(You can do this even if you already own a copy of the book, hint hint. You can do this at every library where you have a library card.)

James, it may take the UGA Library a while to process a new book. I'll get in touch with UGA Press and tell them that the library still doesn't have the book. In the meantime, if the book is available at any of local stores, thumb through it and take a look at p. 43.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 3 April 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

JdR's very competitive in a petty way. He was on WNYC here last week, promoting his Flaming Lips bio and like the 2nd or 3rd thing he said was a cheap shot at "hagiographers" N Strauss and A Powers. Guess he can't help himself.

Speaking of that, Frank, the show he was on -- Soundcheck -- would be an ideal venue for publicizing RPDWB. Hopefully your publisher is on it but if you want contact info email my private add via ILXOR.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 3 April 2006 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

how about getting UGA to fix their online ordering? they ask you to dwnld a pdf and order by fax or call an 800 number.

Beta (abeta), Monday, 3 April 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

ordered a copy today

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Ditto.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, yeah, JdR has flaws (and insecurities, natch), but since he's just given me a nice review, this isn't really the time for me to go into them.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link


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